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What is the difference, in your understanding, between immortality and eternal life?

God alone has life "by nature." Man may have eternal life by being united to God, by being "in Christ." Paul tells us that, as the bride of Christ, the church is "one flesh" with Christ. (Eph 5:30-32)

Those who do not believe do not have eternal life but, when they are resurrected, will be condemned to hell for eternity. John calls this condition the "second death." (Rev 21:8)

Everyone will be raised from the grave "imperishable" and "immortal." (1Co 15:52-53) Those who are saved will have eternal life united to God in Christ. Those who are lost will have the second death, an everlasting condition due to their being imperishable and immortal.
 
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<<The assembly of Christians was always referred to as the Church of God.>>

The term "church of God" found in the NT has absolutely nothing to do with the modern, western, aberration of Christianity called the "Church of God."

<< We observe God's Holy Day festivals as prescribed in the Bible >>

Do you put the blood of a lamb on the doorposts of your house every Passover?

No you don't.

Do all the male members of the "Church of God" go to Jerusalem three times a year to present themselves before the Lord?

No they don't.

On the tenth day of the seventh month, the day of atonement, do you incinerate an animal on an altar?

No you don't.

And do you offer a sacrifice by fire (incinerate an animal on an altar) every day for eight days to celebrate the feast of tabernacles?

No you don't.

So, please. Don't delude yourself into thinking that you "keep the feasts." That's utter nonsense. If you bothered to read the scriptures that say EXACTLY HOW to keep those feasts, you would realize that you do NOT keep them according to God's commandments.

<<Keeping the Sabbath on a Sunday the first day of the week is a violation of the fourth commandment. Sunday keeping is a man-made tradition, not sanctioned by God.>>

No one "keeps the Sabbath" on Sunday. If they did, they wouldn't get into their cars and drive for miles to get to Church because God told the Jews to stay where they are on the Sabbath. ( EX 16:29 )

Sunday is the day on which the Lord rose from the grave. The real Church has celebrated His resurrection on the first day of the week since the beginning. They did so by assembling together for the reading of scripture and the Eucharist.

The Teaching of the Apostles. (1st Century)

The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the Holy Scriptures, and the oblation: because on the first day of the week our Lord rose from the place of the dead and on the first day of the week He arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week He ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week He will appear at last with the angels of heaven.

The Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians
C. 50-117 AD, Bishop of Antioch
Chapter IX.—Let Us Live with Christ.

If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day …

…And after the observance of the Sabbath, let every friend of Christ keep the Lord’s Day as a festival, the resurrection-day, the queen and chief of all the days [of the week]. Looking forward to this, the prophet declared, “To the end, for the eighth day,” on which our life both sprang up again, and the victory over death was obtained in Christ, …

…At the dawning of the Lord’s day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, “As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord’s Day contains the resurrection.

The Epistle of Barnabas C. 70-131AD
Chapter XV. The False and the True Sabbath.

…. Further, He says to them, “Your new moons and your Sabbath I cannot endure.” Ye perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that is which I have made, [namely this, ] when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead. And when He had manifested Himself, He ascended into the heavens.


And the Sabbath is a sign between Israel and the Lord, ( EX 31:17) not between Gentiles and the Lord. Are you Jewish? If so, keep the Sabbath. If not, then don't worry about it.

If you think you keep the Sabbath then you have to do all of the following:

EX 16:29-30 Bear in mind that the LORD has given you the Sabbath; that is why on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Everyone is to stay where he is on the seventh day; no one is to go out." So the people rested on the seventh day.

Don’t travel on the Sabbath. (Keep any walking under 1 mile each way)

EX 20:8-10 Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates.

1. Don’t you or anyone in your household do any work on the Sabbath.

2. It also includes animals which have been replaced by cars, trucks, tractors, buses, airplanes, trains, etc., So don’t work and don’t use a motor vehicle on the Sabbath.

EX 31:14-17 Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people. For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.

1. The seventh day is for rest; do not work on the Sabbath.

2. Israelites are to observe the Sabbath. (not gentiles, Israelites)

3. The Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel. (Again: Israel; not gentiles)

4. God abstained from work and rested on the 7th day and Israel (not Gentiles) is to do the same.

EX 35:1-3 Moses assembled the whole Israelite community and said to them, "These are the things the LORD has commanded you to do: For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death. Do not light a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day."

1. The command concerning keeping the Sabbath Holy came from the LORD not from Moses.

2. Rest on the Sabbath and do no work.

3. Do not light a fire in your dwelling on the Sabbath. (Furnace, oven, light bulb)

LEV 23:3 There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to the LORD.

DT 5:12-14 Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the LORD your God has commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor the alien within your gates, so that your manservant and maidservant may rest, as you do.

Don’t use any utility (electricity, gas, internet, telephone, etc.) or public service (roads, police, radio, TV, bus, etc.) that requires anyone to work on the Sabbath in order to provide the service.

<< We maintain tithing in accordance with our responsibility to honor the Lord as an act of worship and a means to which the gospel is proclaimed to the world. >>

There is no New Testament instruction for Christians to tithe.

So, when you tithe, do you take your tithe to Jerusalem and have a party to celebrate all that the Lord has done for you? No? That's that the scripture specifically tells you to do.

Deu 14:22-25
You shall truly tithe all the increase of your grain that the field produces year by year. And you shall eat before the LORD your God, in the place where He chooses to make His name abide, the tithe of your grain and your new wine and your oil, of the firstborn of your herds and your flocks, that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.
But if the journey is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, or if the place where the LORD your God chooses to put His name is too far from you, when the LORD your God has blessed you, then you shall exchange it for money, take the money in your hand, and go to the place which the LORD your God chooses. And you shall spend that money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen or sheep, for wine or similar drink, for whatever your heart desires; you shall eat there before the LORD your God, and you shall rejoice, you and your household.


And every third year do you take your tithe to the storehouse where it can be distributed to the widow, the orphan, the alien, and the Levite as you are commanded to do at Deuteronomy 14:28-29?

Is that what you do?

No, of course not. You're just pretending to tithe.

<<... they have laid aside God's days and honor their own traditions like Christmas and Easter.>>

Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Jesus, His first advent. Why would you have a problem with that?

Easter, which is called "Pascha" (Passover) in non-English speaking countries, is the celebration of Christ's resurrection from death. The resurrection is the most important event in the Christian faith. And you foolishly call it "paganism" rather than to celebrate what God has done for you.

Paul said that Christ's resurrection was essential to your faith.

1Co 15:14-17 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise. For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!

<<Do you think it matters to God whether we keep the Holy days He instituted?>>

Only if you are a Jew. (A real Jew, not a pretend Jew who makes up his own junk about what to do on the feasts and about tithing instead of doing exactly what God said to do)

Those festivals and the tithe are part of the Law. If you think you must keep them in order to be saved then you are under a curse.

Gal 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be every one who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, and do them."

Paul is talking to YOU
.


Since you believe you must keep part of the Law in order to be saved, it is necessary for you to keep ALL of the Law. And since you are 100% unable to do that, you are condemned and so is your entire pretend-Jew denomination led by false teachers who are teaching you "another gospel". (Gal 1:6-7)

Those teachers are accursed. (Gal 1:8-9)

And when you spread that "other" gospel of keeping the Law, you are also accursed.

Rom 3:20 For no human being will be justified in his sight by works of the law, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28 For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law.

Gal 2:16 yet who know that a man is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ, and not by works of the law, because by works of the law shall no one be justified.
 
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God alone has life "by nature." Man may have eternal life by being united to God, by being "in Christ." Paul tells us that, as the bride of Christ, the church is "one flesh" with Christ. (Eph 5:30-32)

Those who do not believe do not have eternal life but, when they are resurrected, will be condemned to hell for eternity. John calls this condition the "second death." (Rev 21:8)

Everyone will be raised from the grave "imperishable" and "immortal." (1Co 15:52-53) Those who are saved will have eternal life united to God in Christ. Those who are lost will have the second death, an everlasting condition due to their being imperishable and immortal.

What you are saying contradicts all bible scripture.
Failure to understand this subject is a fundamental reason for the prevalent beliefs with immortality primarily based on pagan ideas.

God is not in the business of condemning human beings to an eternity of torture in a hell fire.
Eternal life is a gift from God to those in Christ.
God will destroy forever those who do not repent - the soul that sins shall die-Ezekiel 18:4
Jesus, Himself, tells us the wicked will face destruction, not an eternity of suffering in hell fire-Matt:7:13-14
Your claims conflict with the truth of the bible- Romans 6:23 -" For the wages of sin is death (not eternal torture, that's not God's style-He destroys, not holding the unrepentant forever in an eternal life of punishing situation) BUT the gift of God is eternal life" Death here is directly contrasted with the gift eternal life.
Eternal life is something God gives us through our Savior. It's our reward.

!Cor 15 and Rev 20 tells us only those in Christ will be raised to eternal life at the return of Christ, this is the 1st resurrection-the rest of of the dead will be resurrected back to a physical life only-this is called the second resurrection, after the 1,000 year period.
 
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<<The assembly of Christians was always referred to as the Church of God.>>

The term "church of God" found in the NT has absolutely nothing to do with the modern, western, aberration of Christianity called the "Church of God."

<< We observe God's Holy Day festivals as prescribed in the Bible >>

Do you put the blood of a lamb on the doorposts of your house every Passover?

No you don't.

Do all the male members of the "Church of God" go to Jerusalem three times a year to present themselves before the Lord?

No they don't.

On the tenth day of the seventh month, the day of atonement, do you incinerate an animal on an altar?

No you don't.

And do you offer a sacrifice by fire (incinerate an animal on an altar) every day for eight days to celebrate the feast of tabernacles?

No you don't.

So, please. Don't delude yourself into thinking that you "keep the feasts." That's utter nonsense. If you bothered to read the scriptures that say EXACTLY HOW to keep those feasts, you would realize that you do NOT keep them according to God's commandments.

<<Keeping the Sabbath on a Sunday the first day of the week is a violation of the fourth commandment. Sunday keeping is a man-made tradition, not sanctioned by God.>>

No one "keeps the Sabbath" on Sunday. If they did, they wouldn't get into their cars and drive for miles to get to Church because God told the Jews to stay where they are on the Sabbath. ( EX 16:29 )

Sunday is the day on which the Lord rose from the grave. The real Church has celebrated His resurrection on the first day of the week since the beginning. They did so by assembling together for the reading of scripture and the Eucharist.

The Teaching of the Apostles. (1st Century)

The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the Holy Scriptures, and the oblation: because on the first day of the week our Lord rose from the place of the dead and on the first day of the week He arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week He ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week He will appear at last with the angels of heaven.

The Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians
C. 50-117 AD, Bishop of Antioch
Chapter IX.—Let Us Live with Christ.

If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day …

…And after the observance of the Sabbath, let every friend of Christ keep the Lord’s Day as a festival, the resurrection-day, the queen and chief of all the days [of the week]. Looking forward to this, the prophet declared, “To the end, for the eighth day,” on which our life both sprang up again, and the victory over death was obtained in Christ, …

…At the dawning of the Lord’s day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, “As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord’s Day contains the resurrection.

The Epistle of Barnabas C. 70-131AD
Chapter XV. The False and the True Sabbath.

…. Further, He says to them, “Your new moons and your Sabbath I cannot endure.” Ye perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that is which I have made, [namely this, ] when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead. And when He had manifested Himself, He ascended into the heavens.


And the Sabbath is a sign between Israel and the Lord, ( EX 31:17) not between Gentiles and the Lord. Are you Jewish? If so, keep the Sabbath. If not, then don't worry about it.

If you think you keep the Sabbath then you have to do all of the following:

EX 16:29-30 Bear in mind that the LORD has given you the Sabbath; that is why on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Everyone is to stay where he is on the seventh day; no one is to go out." So the people rested on the seventh day.

Don’t travel on the Sabbath. (Keep any walking under 1 mile each way)

EX 20:8-10 Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates.

1. Don’t you or anyone in your household do any work on the Sabbath.

2. It also includes animals which have been replaced by cars, trucks, tractors, buses, airplanes, trains, etc., So don’t work and don’t use a motor vehicle on the Sabbath.

EX 31:14-17 Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people. For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.

1. The seventh day is for rest; do not work on the Sabbath.

2. Israelites are to observe the Sabbath. (not gentiles, Israelites)

3. The Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel. (Again: Israel; not gentiles)

4. God abstained from work and rested on the 7th day and Israel (not Gentiles) is to do the same.

EX 35:1-3 Moses assembled the whole Israelite community and said to them, "These are the things the LORD has commanded you to do: For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death. Do not light a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day."

1. The command concerning keeping the Sabbath Holy came from the LORD not from Moses.

2. Rest on the Sabbath and do no work.

3. Do not light a fire in your dwelling on the Sabbath. (Furnace, oven, light bulb)

LEV 23:3 There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to the LORD.

DT 5:12-14 Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the LORD your God has commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor the alien within your gates, so that your manservant and maidservant may rest, as you do.

Don’t use any utility (electricity, gas, internet, telephone, etc.) or public service (roads, police, radio, TV, bus, etc.) that requires anyone to work on the Sabbath in order to provide the service.

<< We maintain tithing in accordance with our responsibility to honor the Lord as an act of worship and a means to which the gospel is proclaimed to the world. >>

There is no New Testament instruction for Christians to tithe.

So, when you tithe, do you take your tithe to Jerusalem and have a party to celebrate all that the Lord has done for you? No? That's that the scripture specifically tells you to do.

Deu 14:22-25
You shall truly tithe all the increase of your grain that the field produces year by year. And you shall eat before the LORD your God, in the place where He chooses to make His name abide, the tithe of your grain and your new wine and your oil, of the firstborn of your herds and your flocks, that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.
But if the journey is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, or if the place where the LORD your God chooses to put His name is too far from you, when the LORD your God has blessed you, then you shall exchange it for money, take the money in your hand, and go to the place which the LORD your God chooses. And you shall spend that money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen or sheep, for wine or similar drink, for whatever your heart desires; you shall eat there before the LORD your God, and you shall rejoice, you and your household.


And every third year do you take your tithe to the storehouse where it can be distributed to the widow, the orphan, the alien, and the Levite as you are commanded to do at Deuteronomy 14:28-29?

Is that what you do?

No, of course not. You're just pretending to tithe.

<<... they have laid aside God's days and honor their own traditions like Christmas and Easter.>>

Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Jesus, His first advent. Why would you have a problem with that?

Easter, which is called "Pascha" (Passover) in non-English speaking countries, is the celebration of Christ's resurrection from death. The resurrection is the most important event in the Christian faith. And you foolishly call it "paganism" rather than to celebrate what God has done for you.

Paul said that Christ's resurrection was essential to your faith.

1Co 15:14-17 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise. For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!

<<Do you think it matters to God whether we keep the Holy days He instituted?>>

Only if you are a Jew. (A real Jew, not a pretend Jew who makes up his own junk about what to do on the feasts and about tithing instead of doing exactly what God said to do)

Those festivals and the tithe are part of the Law. If you think you must keep them in order to be saved then you are under a curse.

Gal 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be every one who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, and do them."

Paul is talking to YOU
.


Since you believe you must keep part of the Law in order to be saved, it is necessary for you to keep ALL of the Law. And since you are 100% unable to do that, you are condemned and so is your entire pretend-Jew denomination led by false teachers who are teaching you "another gospel". (Gal 1:6-7)

Those teachers are accursed. (Gal 1:8-9)

And when you spread that "other" gospel of keeping the Law, you are also accursed.

Rom 3:20 For no human being will be justified in his sight by works of the law, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28 For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law.

Gal 2:16 yet who know that a man is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ, and not by works of the law, because by works of the law shall no one be justified.
 
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Most of what you are saying is misguided.
We no longer have to follow the physical aspects of the OT-like animal sacrifices because we have Christ as our spiritual High Priest, the Lamb of God-the Church that Jesus built is like a Spiritual Israel.
The apostles used the Old Testament as their authority. They kept the seventh day Sabbath, they observed the Holy Days all through their ministry, Just as Jesus did.
Where in the NT did God make Holy or sanctified the first day of the week as the Sabbath in no uncertain terms?

This is way off the topic of Baptism.
I will start a thread on New Testament vs Old Testament this week to expound on what should be required of us according to scripture.
 
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<< What you are saying contradicts all bible scripture. >>

You just said absolutely nothing of value. It's your uneducated opinion. (I say uneducated because, apparently you were not educated to the point of knowing that "Bible" is a proper noun and the letter "B" should be capitalized.)

Please state exactly how what I said contradicts the Bible. Make sure you use specific scripture to support you notion.

<< Failure to understand this subject is a fundamental reason for the prevalent beliefs with immortality primarily based on pagan ideas.>>

You are parroting the garbage you memorized from listing to whatever crackpot you adore.

<<God is not in the business of condemning human beings to an eternity of torture in a hell fire.>>

I never said He is. No one is condemned to hell by God; everyone who goes to hell condemns himself by his choice to reject God's gracious gift of eternal life.

<< Eternal life is a gift from God to those in Christ.>>

no kidding

<<God will destroy forever those who do not repent - the soul that sins shall die-Ezekiel 18:4 Jesus, Himself, tells us the wicked will face destruction, not an eternity of suffering in hell fire-Matt:7:13-14>>

Ah yes! That's the 7th Day Adventist/Jehovah's Witness bunk the the ignorant, babbling, false prophetess. Ellen White came up with and the heretical fraud Charles T. Russell propagated to his devotees. And you swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

<<!Cor 15 and Rev 20 tells us only those in Christ will be raised to eternal life at the return of Christ, this is the 1st resurrection-the rest of of the dead will be resurrected back to a physical life only-this is called the second resurrection, after the 1,000 year period.>>

Sounds like standard 7th Day-JW garbage to me.

I guess you "Church of God" folk ascribe to the same nonsense.
 
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No, you don't need a water baptism, that's a load of tripe perpetuated by people who don't even know the origins of the ritual

The " call to maturity " in the Book of Hebrews is called that for a reason

The call to maturity:

" Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity,

not laying again a foundation of -

~ repentance from dead works and of faith toward God
~ of instruction about washings and laying on of hands
~ the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment "

And this we will do, if God permits.…"

Hebrew 6:1-3

Have a nice day

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<<We no longer have to follow the physical aspects of the OT-like animal sacrifices because we have Christ as our spiritual High Priest, the Lamb of God-the Church that Jesus built is like a Spiritual Israel.>>

Right. Like I said; you pretend to be Jews.

<<The apostles used the Old Testament as their authority. They kept the seventh day Sabbath, they observed the Holy Days all through their ministry, Just as Jesus did.>>

There is a very good reason why Jesus and the apostles kept the Law of Moses:

THEY WERE ALL JEWS.

<< Where in the NT did God make Holy or sanctified the first day of the week as the Sabbath in no uncertain terms? >>

It doesn't.

The first day of the week is the day on which Christ rose from death.

It is the single most important aspect of Christianity.

1Co 15:17 ... if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.

It is a verified, historical fact that the primitive church, from the time of the apostles, celebrated that resurrection by meeting on the first day of the week which they called "the Lord's Day".

Apparently you didn't bother to read them the last time I posted them so, here they are again.

Enlighten yourself.

Justin Martyr : The First Apology of Justin C.100-162 AD

But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because ... Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples,…


The Teaching of the Apostles. (1st Century)
The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the Holy Scriptures, and the oblation: because on the first day of the week our Lord rose from the place of the dead and on the first day of the week He arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week He ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week He will appear at last with the angels of heaven.


The Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians C. 50-117 AD, Bishop of Antioch

Chapter IX.—Let Us Live with Christ.


If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day


…And after the observance of the Sabbath, let every friend of Christ keep the Lord’s Day as a festival, the resurrection-day, the queen and chief of all the days [of the week]. Looking forward to this, the prophet declared, “To the end, for the eighth day,” on which our life both sprang up again, and the victory over death was obtained in Christ, …


…At the dawning of the Lord’s day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, “As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord’s Day contains the resurrection.


The Epistle of Barnabas C. 70-131AD

Chapter XV. The False and the True Sabbath.


…. Further, He says to them, “Your new moons and your Sabbath I cannot endure.” Ye perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that is which I have made, [namely this, ] when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead.


<<I will start a thread on New Testament vs Old Testament this week to expound on what should be required of us according to scripture.>>

Be still my heart! i can hardly wait (yawn)
 
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<<The apostles used the Old Testament as their authority. They kept the seventh day Sabbath, they observed the Holy Days all through their ministry, Just as Jesus did.>>

There is a very good reason why Jesus and the apostles kept the Law of Moses:

THEY WERE ALL JEWS.

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Exactly! Good answer :oldthumbsup:

The NEW COVENANT didn't go into effect until after the Christ is risen and even at that He tells them then to still wait in the upper room until they are empowered by the Holy Spirit.
 
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Exactly! Good answer :oldthumbsup:

The NEW COVENANT didn't go into effect until after the Christ is risen and even at that He tells them then to still wait in the upper room until they are empowered by the Holy Spirit.

True.

It escapes many people's notice that the events of the Gospels, up to the resurrection, take place when the Old Covenant is still in effect. And the Church isn't established until Pentecost.
 
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No, you don't need a water baptism, that's a load of tripe perpetuated by people who don't even know the origins of the ritual

The " call to maturity " in the Book of Hebrews is called that for a reason

The call to maturity:

" Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity,

not laying again a foundation of -

~ repentance from dead works and of faith toward God
~ of instruction about washings and laying on of hands
~ the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment "

And this we will do, if God permits.…"

Hebrew 6:1-3

Have a nice day

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Since there are a number of examples in the New Testament of new believers being baptised and knowing that they should be baptised, and of Christ telling his Apostles TO baptise, I would need to see something more than a "no, you don't!" in order to change my views on this.
 
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It's ok, I'm not here to change anybody's mind, I can only offer what works for me

I was never baptized, never went to church, never read the Bible and never prayed one time in my life, and God still healed me , blessed my life incredibly , and here I am :)

Afaik, ablution and spiritual excision was only for the priest who made the sin offering , after they became ritually impure
( Kodashim : Keritot ) not for the people who the priest made the offering for

If you think being dunked in some water makes any difference, then you go right ahead
 
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If you think being dunked in some water makes any difference, then you go right ahead
When you put it that way, of course you are scorning the sacrament, not taking a neutral stance as your sentence structure tries to suggest is the case.
 
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Sure, you can make up whatever little flowery sounding idiom you want

That's right, I am. I am saying that people pushing baptisms are time wasters and practicing things for the sake of appearing religious, ( something scriptures warn against ) more than likely because they are mislead, or in the case of the people doing the baptisms, making themselves out to have some sort of divine right, when they don't

Yup, that's what I am saying, for certain

Since I've said my 2 cents, you guys go on without me, I'm sure you'll carry on :)
 
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That's right, I am. I am saying that people pushing baptisms are time wasters and practicing things for the sake of appearing religious
That's awfully strong. Surely people can disagree about such doctrinal matters and not make out that there's no reason for the other person to think as he does (and almost all of the Christians of history have) without being cast as con men. :sigh:
 
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It's ok, I'm not here to change anybody's mind, I can only offer what works for me

I was never baptized, never went to church, never read the Bible and never prayed one time in my life, and God still healed me , blessed my life incredibly , and here I am :)

Afaik, ablution and spiritual excision was only for the priest who made the sin offering , after they became ritually impure
( Kodashim : Keritot ) not for the people who the priest made the offering for

If you think being dunked in some water makes any difference, then you go right ahead


It's what Jesus commanded.

Its time you started reading a Bible.

"What works for you" is a signpost on the road to hell.
 
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