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Some minor questions arose in my mind concerning baptism which caused me to rethink my position upon it. Firstly, why does Paul state in I Corinthians I:xvii “For Christ send me not to baptise, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect”? Secondly, why do the requirements for eldership in both I Timothy III:i-vii and Titus II:ii make no mention of baptism? Thirdly, why do we find no mention of water baptism in the Pauline epistles, i.e. those epistles containing church truth?


Let us take a look at three verses:


I Corinthians XII:xiii “For by one Spirit are we all baptised into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.”


Ephesians IV:iv, v “There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism,”


Neither passage can be a reference to water baptism unless there is more than one baptism in effect today, but we know that is wrong for “there is…one baptism.” Also, if the baptism of I Corinthians XII:xiii was a reference to water baptism, then there would be no margin for the Holy Ghost to baptise us into the body of Christ. The “one baptism” must refer to Spirit baptism and not to water baptism.


Let us now turn to Galatians III:xxvii “For as many of you as have been baptised into Christ have put on Christ.” This cannot be referring to water baptism, unless it is water baptism that places us “into Christ”. Indeed, if it was referring to water baptism, it would make water baptism a requirement for salvation. According to verse xxviii, since we are all “in Christ Jesus,” we first had to be baptised into Christ. But if water baptism actually placed us “into Christ,” then we could not be “in Christ” until we were baptised in water.


I now turn to Romans VI:iii, iv “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptised into Jesus Christ were baptised into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.” Our baptism into Christ (verse iii) agrees with Galatians III:xxvii as well as I Corinthians XII:xiii. Indeed, if it was referring to water baptism then we could not “walk in newness of life” without first being “buried with him by [water] baptism into death.” No! The verses above only make sense when understood as referring to the “one baptism” of the Holy Ghost that places us “into Christ,” into His “one body.”


So, in Ephesians IV:v we read of the “one baptism” – Spirit baptism - of this present dispensation as opposed to the two baptisms pertaining to the kingdom as illustrated in Acts II:xxxviii when Peter called upon individual Jews to “Repent, and be baptised every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins [water baptism], and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost [Spirit baptism].”


It is therefore my position that water baptism is not for the church and that is why the Pauline epistles do not mention it, and why being baptised in water is not a precondition of eldership.
 

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AV1611 said:
Some minor questions arose in my mind concerning baptism which caused me to rethink my position upon it. Firstly, why does Paul state in I Corinthians I:xvii “For Christ send me not to baptise, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect”? Secondly, why do the requirements for eldership in both I Timothy III:i-vii and Titus II:ii make no mention of baptism? Thirdly, why do we find no mention of water baptism in the Pauline epistles, i.e. those epistles containing church truth?


Let us take a look at three verses:


I Corinthians XII:xiii “For by one Spirit are we all baptised into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.”


Ephesians IV:iv, v “There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism,”


Neither passage can be a reference to water baptism unless there is more than one baptism in effect today, but we know that is wrong for “there is…one baptism.” Also, if the baptism of I Corinthians XII:xiii was a reference to water baptism, then there would be no margin for the Holy Ghost to baptise us into the body of Christ. The “one baptism” must refer to Spirit baptism and not to water baptism.


Let us now turn to Galatians III:xxvii “For as many of you as have been baptised into Christ have put on Christ.” This cannot be referring to water baptism, unless it is water baptism that places us “into Christ”. Indeed, if it was referring to water baptism, it would make water baptism a requirement for salvation. According to verse xxviii, since we are all “in Christ Jesus,” we first had to be baptised into Christ. But if water baptism actually placed us “into Christ,” then we could not be “in Christ” until we were baptised in water.


I now turn to Romans VI:iii, iv “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptised into Jesus Christ were baptised into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.” Our baptism into Christ (verse iii) agrees with Galatians III:xxvii as well as I Corinthians XII:xiii. Indeed, if it was referring to water baptism then we could not “walk in newness of life” without first being “buried with him by [water] baptism into death.” No! The verses above only make sense when understood as referring to the “one baptism” of the Holy Ghost that places us “into Christ,” into His “one body.”


So, in Ephesians IV:v we read of the “one baptism” – Spirit baptism - of this present dispensation as opposed to the two baptisms pertaining to the kingdom as illustrated in Acts II:xxxviii when Peter called upon individual Jews to “Repent, and be baptised every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins [water baptism], and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost [Spirit baptism].”


It is therefore my position that water baptism is not for the church and that is why the Pauline epistles do not mention it, and why being baptised in water is not a precondition of eldership.
Amen!! :thumbsup:

There is one big difference between Kingdom Church and Mystery Church...

Peter and the 11 WERE sent baptizing the nation of Israel > Water baptism WAS apart of the requirement for repentance: "Repent AND be baptized"..

Paul's message didn't contain water. "Believe and be saved!!"

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@@Paul@@ said:
Amen!! :thumbsup:

There is one big difference between Kingdom Church and Mystery Church...

Peter and the 11 WERE sent baptizing the nation of Israel > Water baptism WAS apart of the requirement for repentance: "Repent AND be baptized"..

Paul's message didn't contain water. "Believe and be saved!!"

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Paul,

I understand why Jews need to be baptised (Priesthood) but why baptise the nations?
 
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AV1611 said:
Paul,

I understand why Jews need to be baptised (Priesthood) but why baptise the nations?
Hi AV,

I take it you're refering to this...
Mat 28:19-20 KJV Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: (20) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.​
I don't believe "all nations" as a reference includes the Gentiles... Otherwise they would also have to teach them (gentiles) to observe ALL THINGS that Christ commanded, which never happened...

God's plan has always been to prepare the nation and to sent it out as a channel of blessing, with the message of salvation... But the nation must first be prepared > then they would go the uttermost parts (which included the Gentiles).

Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.​
As we learned in the Acts study > the message was first to Jews ONLY in Jerusalem, all Judaea, and in Samaria; then the Gentiles were included in the "uttermost part" with the ministry of Paul... But the Jew was still always FIRST because they were still the chosen channel.

Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
The commands of Mat 28:19-20 were for preperation for the NATION to carry the salvation of God to the uttermost parts, they simply rejected the call.
 
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