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Stinker said:When I was a member of a church that taught that water baptism was necessary for salvation, they used the same verses that sportsfreak4 used.
I have since learned that they do not have an accurate interpretation of those verses. What baptism that is necessary unto salvation is the Spiritual baptism that the Holy Spirit operates on a person the instant they come to New Testament belief to place their soul (Col.1:13) into the Spiritual body where it reaches Christ's blood. (Eph.1:7)
sportsfreak4 said:Can I ask you how you know that its a Spiritual baptism?
World wide? A few billion.Gal328 said:How many people believe that it is necessary for Salvation.
The why do it? Rather why did Jesus tell his apostles to go do it?ThirdDay3337 said:I would say how do you know that it is baptism by water only?
I also agree that it can be baptism by the spirit. I think that you should be baptised by water in front of your brothers and sisters in Christ, but I don't think it is necassary for salvation.
Brother in Christ,
Luke
Shelb5 said:The why do it? Rather why did Jesus tell his apostles to go do it?
What would be the point in sending the apostles out to do something that didnt have any effect on salvation?
Come again? You’re not serious are you?CaliforniaJosiah said:He told them to wear sandals and but not two tunics. I don't think that had any effect on salvation.,,
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Shelb5 said:The why do it? Rather why did Jesus tell his apostles to go do it?
What would be the point in sending the apostles out to do something that didnt have any effect on salvation?
Baptism is a sacrament. A symbol instituted by Jesus to give grace. Baptism in the Holy Spirit is something entirely different.ThirdDay3337 said:Only one definition of baptism uses water. You can be baptized with the spirit. Baptism is to show others that you are serious in your faith and that you want to join the Church.
Do you believe in baptism at birth?
Brother in Christ,
Luke
I'm kind of getting what you are saying at the beginning of your thread, but what do you think Mark 1:7 is saying?Shelb5 said:Baptism is a sacrament. A symbol instituted by Jesus to give grace. Baptism in the Holy Spirit is something entirely different.
I think you are referring to baptism of desire rather than baptism in the Holy Spirit. And baptism at birth? You mean infants? Yes, babies should be baptized, why keep it from them if salvation is freely given and not earned?
Gal328 said:How many people believe that it is necessary for Salvation.
Where in the bible or anywhere else for that matter can I find Jesus or anyone else for that matter before the reformation teaching us that it's a public statement? Where does that premise come from? It’s only about 500 years old.BigChrisfilm said:This is what I say, if baptisium is the will of god, and we are to follow the will of god, it doesn't matter weither you believe you should or shouldn't, you just do it. It is a public statement, that you believe, and are now going to follow god. You can not save yourself, only god can, you do not earn anything by being baptised, you can not earn salvation, but if god wants us to follow him, shouldn't we do all that he says, getting caught up in our beliefs and such will only delay the will of god, and so I say do it, because it is comanded of god.
Yep! Baptism does 'save' us from the fall of mankind and puts us on the path to salvation. We have been given freely the gift of God's grace i.e. reconciliation with him and the cross has made our peace with God but we still have to accept all that we have been freely given and persevere in it if we will be saved.ThirdDay3337 said:I'm kind of getting what you are saying at the beginning of your thread, but what do you think Mark 1:7 is saying?
Even though salvation is freely given does it not still need to be accepted?
Brother in Christ,
Luke
Christ set the example by having Himself baptised, was with the Apostles as they baptised, commanded one to be born of "water and Spirit" while attending these baptisms, and the epistles are replete with examples of how baptism in necessary. To deny the efficacy and necessity of baptism is to deny Scripture.Gal328 said:How many people believe that it is necessary for Salvation.
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