Bacon Obsession

[mishkan]

Gotch'a bookmarked. Thx.

Dan

Glad you like it, Dan. Thanks for the feedback. I'm always open to suggestions for topics that need to be addressed.

 

[Lulav]

Yedida, I think what A Jay is saying is that he is Orthodox, when the circumstances allow. He may be in an area where he can't keep Shabbat like if he were in his own country, neighborhood. He also may not have any Kosher foods available, so he has to eat trief as it is vital to live and life superceeds the Kosher commandments. But when circumstances, and place allow he keeps Shomer Shabbat and eats from a Kosher kitchen, only kosher foods.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Yedida, I think what A Jay is saying is that he is Orthodox, when the circumstances allow. He may be in an area where he can't keep Shabbat like if he were in his own country, neighborhood. He also may not have any Kosher foods available, so he has to eat trief as it is vital to live and life superceeds the Kosher commandments. But when circumstances, and place allow he keeps Shomer Shabbat and eats from a Kosher kitchen, only kosher foods.

That would be it. On a side note, I don’t have to eat trief, but tuna fish, salmon, and rice get very old after 60 days.

 

[Lulav]

That would be it. On a side note, I don’t have to eat trief, but tuna fish, salmon, and rice get very old after 60 days.

I'm glad you at least have that choice for protein. Can you ask for some MOM's? I can't eat too many of them because I have Celiac disease, but they aren't bad, the ones I can have such as the chicken and black beans. I buy em by the case for times when I may be in a place where there's nothing available. I'm also going to be ordering from La Bruite again, at Passover their KfP meals are also Gluten free so it's a bonus for me. and you can cook them everywhere with no electricity or flame.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I’ll look into those, but it is too late for me at the moment as I’m cruising around the Caribbean/Gulf of Mexico.

 

[yedida]

Yedida, I think what A Jay is saying is that he is Orthodox, when the circumstances allow. He may be in an area where he can't keep Shabbat like if he were in his own country, neighborhood. He also may not have any Kosher foods available, so he has to eat trief as it is vital to live and life superceeds the Kosher commandments. But when circumstances, and place allow he keeps Shomer Shabbat and eats from a Kosher kitchen, only kosher foods.

Yeah, I kinda thought that was what he was saying. That's why I replied that we all do the best we can with what we have (or where we are). And when we're in situations where we cannot obey as we'd like, I think Hashem looks more at the fact that we're heart-broken over the situation than at the bare fact that we're breaking a command - it's not like we've chosen to do it because it's what we want to do. I just don't say things so great sometimes.
Shavua tov, gf!

 

[Lulav]

Shavuah Tov!

I personally think that the obsession with the bacon is the smoky flavor which I like but can get on anything with a sprinkle of smoked paprika, Kosher, vegetarian and delish!

 

[James119]

I've seen bacon in the supermarket that is called "shoulder bacon" and has very little fat, and of that, the % of saturated fat is very small.

Am I correct in saying that the questionable/objectionable substances are in the fat of the animal, which God also prohibits consumption of (from any animal) and that the meat itself is not?

I've always thought people like bacon mostly because of the fat and salt content.

 

[mishkan]

Am I correct in saying that the questionable/objectionable substances are in the fat of the animal, which God also prohibits consumption of (from any animal) and that the meat itself is not?

No. The objectionable thing about bacon is the fact that it comes from a pig. God said not to eat anything that comes from a pig (Leviticus 11). That's also where he said shellfish is off limits.

I've always thought people like bacon mostly because of the fat and salt content.

Probably true. Although, bacon does have its own unique flavor, as well.

 

[yedida]

If you are a Christian, there are no dietary restrictions. Matthew 15:11 says: What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.'"

Mark 7:18 says: "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'?

1st Corinthians 10:25 says: Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”

1st Corinthians 8:7-8 says:
7 But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled.8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.


1st Timothy 4:3-4 says:
3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving


1st Corinthians 8:4 says: 4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.”

NT theology without the foundation is faulty. Torah is the foundation.
Plus, you are posting contrary to the beliefs of this forum. Please avail yourself of the SoP. Thank you.

 

[Lulav]

If you are a Christian, there are no dietary restrictions. Matthew 15:11 says: What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.'"

Mark 7:18 says: "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'?

1st Corinthians 10:25 says: Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”

1st Corinthians 8:7-8 says:
7 But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled.8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.


1st Timothy 4:3-4 says:
3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving


1st Corinthians 8:4 says: 4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.”

Hello Leo, thanks for posting those quotes. I wonder though If you are familiar with Acts 15 and the food restrictions that they require of Gentiles?

And also Revelation 3 where Jesus admonishes those who teach others to eat what has been sacrificed to idols, it sounds to me like that is something that will keep you from pleasing G-d.

 

[mrs94]

Never really thought about it like that before...I knew (or thought I did) all about the Acts 15 verses about how the verse after the restrictions explain that "Moses is preached in the synangogue"...but, did not realize until just now how there WERE dietary restrictions. That definitely does blow the "there are no restrictions" argument out of the water.

Sometimes I doubt...hardly ever, but sometimes I doubt about being Torah observant because I am surrounded by Christians telling me otherwise. Then, another confirmation pops up. Thanks Lulav.

 

[Lulav]

Never really thought about it like that before...I knew (or thought I did) all about the Acts 15 verses about how the verse after the restrictions explain that "Moses is preached in the synangogue"...but, did not realize until just now how there WERE dietary restrictions. That definitely does blow the "there are no restrictions" argument out of the water.

Sometimes I doubt...hardly ever, but sometimes I doubt about being Torah observant because I am surrounded by Christians telling me otherwise. Then, another confirmation pops up. Thanks Lulav.

You're welcome, I'm glad someone got something from this, most look for loopholes around it.

 

[dnc101]

I was talking to a Protestant. Okay? Okay!

Well, okee-sker-dokie there protestant type person. But talk to them about it on your own forum. Okay?

That smells like legalism. No! I do not think the old testament is useless or obsolete!

No, but you ignore what you don't like in the "New Testament," and then you cherry pick what you do like from the Old to build a religion with a set of laws that meet your approval, and incidentally caters to your own lusts. That smells like idolatry to me.

Have a nice day.

Dan C

 

[dnc101]

Sometimes I doubt...hardly ever, but sometimes I doubt about being Torah observant because I am surrounded by Christians telling me otherwise. Then, another confirmation pops up. Thanks Lulav.

I know how you feel. Apart from a couple of really crazy people here, I am the only Messianic I know of, and I'm the only one that is trying to move toward Torah observance. I just read scripture, ask questions here, and do the best I can.

You're welcome, I'm glad someone got something from this, most look for loopholes around it.

Loopholes? There are LOOPHOLES? ... Who knew ...

Dan (just a couple of degrees off sane myself) C

 

[mishkan]

Dan (just a couple of degrees off sane myself) C

If one is not "in sane" does that make him "out-sane"?

 

[dnc101]

If one is not "in sane" does that make him "out-sane"?

It could make him "out to lunch"; which is OK I s'pose, as long as he isn't eatin' a bacon-cheeseburger!

Dan (in-'nout of the psych-ward) C

 

[LeoWyatt]

There's no need for sarcasm Leo.

I wasn't being sarcastic.

This is the Messianic Forum and we don't believe that the Torah was done away with. What you call 'legalism' we call Obedience to our heavenly Father.

Meh!

As far as What you found in Acts 15, doesn't that contradict what you said about food in your first post?

Why don't you tell me because honestly I don't think you know.

As you saw, there are dietary restrictions.

Very minimal restrictions.



1st Corinthians 8:7-8 says:
7 But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled.8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.


1st Timothy 4:3-4 says:
3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving.

Nothing means nothing, so if someone served you some skunk stew with centipedes and poision dart frogs, would you feel obligated to eat it?

I don't think it would be a good idea, but I'm probably not going to incur the wrath of God for eating it.

All these quotes go against what Jesus taught, so it is up to you whom you choose to believe.

So, the Bible goes against Jesus? You think those Bible verses are evil or wrong?

Remember the very first sin had to do with eating, and by being convinced by the adversary that all was OK to eat.

That means nothing.

 

[visionary]

I wasn't being sarcastic.

Meh!

Why don't you tell me because honestly I don't think you know.

Very minimal restrictions.



1st Corinthians 8:7-8 says:
7 But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled.8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.


1st Timothy 4:3-4 says:
3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving.


I don't think it would be a good idea, but I'm probably not going to incur the wrath of God for eating it.


So, the Bible goes against Jesus? You think those Bible verses are evil or wrong?

That means nothing.

Let me emphesis the important part of the verse.. so that you can keep it within context...

 

[mishkan]

Meh!

Really? How old are you?

1st Corinthians 8:7-8 says:
7 But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.

The topic there is idolatry, not kosher laws from God's Word.

1st Timothy 4:3-4 says:
3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving.

Visionary has already pointed out that the foundational clause there is, "created to be received". God tells us explicitly in Leviticus 11 that there are some animals that were not created to be received as food.

But I guess that's in the part of the Bible that you don't "receive".

So, the Bible goes against Jesus? You think those Bible verses are evil or wrong?

The Bible doesn't go against Messiah... just some people's interpretation of certain verses in the Bible.

Let me recommend that you check out some articles on the topic of following Torah within a Messianic framework. You can find them on this page, under the heading of 'Defining “Messianic”'.