Bacon Obsession

[Aryeh Jay]

I really don’t think a majority of main stream overweight Americans care to follow the dietary practices of a few.
Plus, didn’t things change after Yeshua?
Mathew 15:11 It's not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth."
Mark 7:15 It's not what goes into your body that defiles you; you are defiled by what comes from your heart."
Acts 10:14 "No, Lord," Peter declared. "I have never eaten anything that our Jewish laws have declared impure and unclean."
Acts 10:15 But the voice spoke again: "Do not call something unclean if God has made it clean."
All quotes from New Living Translation

 

[pat34lee]

I really don’t think a majority of main stream overweight Americans care to follow the dietary practices of a few.
Plus, didn’t things change after Yeshua?
Mathew 15:11 It's not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth."
Mark 7:15 It's not what goes into your body that defiles you; you are defiled by what comes from your heart."
Acts 10:14 "No, Lord," Peter declared. "I have never eaten anything that our Jewish laws have declared impure and unclean."
Acts 10:15 But the voice spoke again: "Do not call something unclean if God has made it clean."
All quotes from New Living Translation

None of those have to do with dietary laws. The first two were about eating with ritually unclean hands. Acts is about people who YHWH declared clean, which it explains a few verses later. Yeshua did not change any laws or do away with any. If he had, he would have been a false messiah, for leading people away from the Torah.

 

[mishkan]

None of those have to do with dietary laws. The first two were about eating with ritually unclean hands. Acts is about people who YHWH declared clean, which it explains a few verses later. Yeshua did not change any laws or do away with any. If he had, he would have been a false messiah, for leading people away from the Torah.

When you're right, you're right!

 

[anisavta]

Sure, they are non shomer shabat non kosher Orthodox Jews.

Um - isn't that a misnomer?

 

[Aryeh Jay]

None of those have to do with dietary laws. The first two were about eating with ritually unclean hands. Acts is about people who YHWH declared clean, which it explains a few verses later. Yeshua did not change any laws or do away with any. If he had, he would have been a false messiah, for leading people away from the Torah.

Sorry, those were the reasons given to me, and a couple of other verses, that my Wesleyan and Dutch Reformed friends to explained to me that I no longer have to follow my odd eating habits.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Um - isn't that a misnomer?

Well, it could be. But, if you were Orthodox in practice and attended an Orthodox Synagogue and yet violated Sabbath, you would still be Orthodox, just not Shomer Shabat. Same for the bacon, you would not cease being Orthodox by not keeping kosher, but I wouldn’t go spreading that around Shul.

 

[anisavta]

Chava, is that true?

 

[mishkan]

Sorry, those were the reasons given to me, and a couple of other verses, that my Wesleyan and Dutch Reformed friends to explained to me that I no longer have to follow my odd eating habits.

I have several brief articles on some of the more controversial passages, including Acts 10, here under the heading "Defining Messianic".

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Chava, is that true?

Case in point, I am an adult Jewish male, I am an observant Orthodox Jew, and I am currently underway in the Coast Guard. My wife is Orthodox (and even has a wig, but she never wears it), and 2 of my kids are Orthodox (oldest daughtor is now a Christian). Everyday day I do ritual hand washing, lay Tefillin, wear tzitzit, the whole deal. I have a rice cooker, a bowl, and a spoon that are “kosher”. However, if I want to eat anything other than rice or tuna fish packets every single day, it has to be non kosher. The vegetables, the mashed potatoes, even a lovely Hebrew National Frank (wait, are those really kosher?) all come in contact with non kosher utensils, plates, silverware, etc. the grill cooks bacon, pork loin has been in the ovens, even the microwave is un kosher. So I occasionally eat un kosher food (due to the cooking methods/utensils, not pork or shellfish) but that doesn’t make me not Orthodox. Later today I will light candles and begin my Sabbath. The good thing is I don’t have to worry about lights, other people turn them on and off anyways. I stay off the computer and for the most part, am allowed to observe Shabbat (rank does have its privileges). But if we have to respond to an emergency (like the Carnival Triumph or similar disaster like the Haitian earthquake) then I respond, breaking Shabbat (he who saves one life, saves the whole world). So, in short and at the moment, I am a non kosher, non Shomer Shabat Orthodox Jew. And with that, I say Shabbat Shalom everyone!!

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Mishkan, I can’t reply to your post because I don’t have 50 yet, (due to your link embedded) but here is what I tried to say…

Wow! Good looking website, just glancing now, I’ll have to give it a more in depth read later. Added to favorites.

 

[dnc101]

I've often wondered about this, how people can observe the pig in it's natural habitat, wallowing in it's own filth and eating putrid garbage or worse and want to eat it?

I was raised a country boy, and Southern at that. Ever watch a chicken follow pigs and other animals around, pecking in their feces? Or a cow drink from a reservoir then turn around and urinate in it? Sheep will drink from a fetid pool before going a little farther to drink from a clean trough. Pigs, if given the chance, are actually cleaner in some ways than many other things we eat.

I love pork. From southern pig-pickin's and southwestern BBQ's to Hawaiian luau's, and especially at breakfast, it just tastes great. So for me to get to the point where I don't eat pork is really an act of obedience; one that I'm tempted to break often. Since I'm in an absolutely gentile culture it is a chore as well, even though I don't take the prohibition even close to the extremes of orthodoxy.

My Jewish study Bible/TNK tells me the prohibition is because they are not ruminants, they are scavengers and carnivores, and they also take longer to loose consciousness once the carotid is severed. Having been present at the executions of many and varied barnyard critters, I can say with some authority they are correct in alleging it takes upwards of thirty seconds for pigs to start to loose consciousness if you just sever the jugular. Like humans, they have a third, smaller artery which supplies the brain. Kosher animals don't have this artery. Pigs are more aware of what is happening to them as well- they're actually very smart. Therefore, they say in the commentary, there is a humane aspect to the prohibition as well. So the Almighty had His reasons for saying NO to pork, but still ... dang it's hard sometimes.

But now it seems that eating this abomination has gone to the extreme.

It has always been 'extreme' in our society, specially in some sub-cultures. It is just now we are seeing all kinds of evil glorified like never before. We are approaching the end times, and this is one of the signs.

As I read the replies my heart is heavy and my stomach revolts. I don't understand how someone can say they love G-d and make those kinds of remarks and not realize the total disrespect and hate they are showing for the one they say they love.

They love the god that was crafted by evil wordsmiths in the dark ages. They think as long as they remain ignorant, G_d will not hold their sins against them. That is why they get so angry when you or I try to inform them of the truth. The sad part is I don't ever se G_d forgiving idolatry or willful ignorance unless the perpetrator repents and begs for mercy.

What do you think is the root of this obsession?

LOL, I love it when people ask my opinion. Pretty much leaves you open to whatever wild and crazy thoughts I'm contemplating on here in the shallow end of the pool!

Dan

 

[dnc101]

I have several brief articles on some of the more controversial passages, including Acts 10, ... under the heading "Defining Messianic".

Gotch'a bookmarked. Thx.

Dan

 

[Lulav]

Everything should taste like bacon? Who's propagating this line of thought? Someone is making money off of this new fad.

You caught that small print too, huh, I was going to say the same thing what I want to know is 'who says?' everything should taste like bacon? Those whose money is tied up in pork bellies? :o

 

[LeoWyatt]

Yeah, people have gone overboard with bacon. All though bacon is wonderful. However, pork ribs and pork steak are much better. Pigs are cleaner than you think, besides, cows eat their own vomit.

Chicken and bacon are especially wonderful together. Turkey and bacon is another winning duo. Putting bacon in clam chowder makes it much better as well. However, I am really no fan of the bacon burger.

 

[yedida]

Sure, they are non shomer shabat non kosher Orthodox Jews.

That just doesn't make sense. I've always thought that one who uses the adjective "Orthodox" was someone who followed the Torah to the best of their ability; any other, such as Reform or Conservative, etc., might or might not be Torah observant. An Orthodox Jew who does not follow Torah and/or Talmud? I can't wrap my mind around that one......

 

[yedida]

I really don’t think a majority of main stream overweight Americans care to follow the dietary practices of a few.
Plus, didn’t things change after Yeshua?
Mathew 15:11 It's not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth."
Mark 7:15 It's not what goes into your body that defiles you; you are defiled by what comes from your heart."
Acts 10:14 "No, Lord," Peter declared. "I have never eaten anything that our Jewish laws have declared impure and unclean."
Acts 10:15 But the voice spoke again: "Do not call something unclean if God has made it clean."
All quotes from New Living Translation

Mat. 5:19 sums it up best. But he also told the people to obey what the priests said for them to do as they sat in the seat of Moses. Though He did warn the people not to do as the priests were doing, as they were hypocritical in their observance.
So, no, things didn't change as far as obeying the Law was concerned, Hashem's standard of righteous living certainly didn't change, but the administration of the Law went through some adjustments.

 

[yedida]

When you're right, you're right!

Yes, he is. He hit the nail squarely on the head!!

 

[yedida]

Sorry, those were the reasons given to me, and a couple of other verses, that my Wesleyan and Dutch Reformed friends to explained to me that I no longer have to follow my odd eating habits.

I would say, don't listen to them. Most of our mainstream, traditional christian brothers and sisters have been taught all their lives that the "Law" was nailed to the cross and because Jesus observed the Law perfectly we (who trust in Him) no longer have to obey.

Wouldn't that be wonderful if such a situation truly existed: My parents obeyed the USA's tax laws perfectly all of their lives - guess I don't have to pay taxes as they did it for me. They obeyed the state and federal traffic laws and never once received tickets or had any accidents, therefore I don't have to worry about paying insurance or traffic laws, they did it for me. Cool system. Not!!!!
The Mosaic Law is alive and well! Just as the scriptures promised - And the Law shall go forth from out of Zion.

 

[yedida]

Case in point, I am an adult Jewish male, I am an observant Orthodox Jew, and I am currently underway in the Coast Guard. My wife is Orthodox (and even has a wig, but she never wears it), and 2 of my kids are Orthodox (oldest daughtor is now a Christian). Everyday day I do ritual hand washing, lay Tefillin, wear tzitzit, the whole deal. I have a rice cooker, a bowl, and a spoon that are “kosher”. However, if I want to eat anything other than rice or tuna fish packets every single day, it has to be non kosher. The vegetables, the mashed potatoes, even a lovely Hebrew National Frank (wait, are those really kosher?) all come in contact with non kosher utensils, plates, silverware, etc. the grill cooks bacon, pork loin has been in the ovens, even the microwave is un kosher. So I occasionally eat un kosher food (due to the cooking methods/utensils, not pork or shellfish) but that doesn’t make me not Orthodox. Later today I will light candles and begin my Sabbath. The good thing is I don’t have to worry about lights, other people turn them on and off anyways. I stay off the computer and for the most part, am allowed to observe Shabbat (rank does have its privileges). But if we have to respond to an emergency (like the Carnival Triumph or similar disaster like the Haitian earthquake) then I respond, breaking Shabbat (he who saves one life, saves the whole world). So, in short and at the moment, I am a non kosher, non Shomer Shabat Orthodox Jew. And with that, I say Shabbat Shalom everyone!!

That's what I said in an earlier post, maybe about 10 minutes ago - an Orthodox person obeys Torah to the best of their ability. I am not Jewish, not trying to be a Jew but I am living, to the best of my ability, to obey what of Torah that I can (because I believe Hashem's standard of righteous living is for all who call on His name) and I think that Hashem looks at the intent. I live with non-kosher roommates and the food available is not always what I would choose, but it's what we have....Life can be rough

 

[mishkan]

Mishkan, I can’t reply to your post because I don’t have 50 yet, (due to your link embedded) but here is what I tried to say…

Wow! Good looking website, just glancing now, I’ll have to give it a more in depth read later. Added to favorites.

So glad you like it. I appreciate the feedback.