Back After a 1 year Hiatus and Worried

[Dasdream]

I took a year off from CF because of all the mixed messages, confusing and stressfull misinterpretations of this section...and I forgot my password haha

What I am worried about is that in the year I was gone, nothing had changed in here. people are still debating, arguing and coming up with excuses not to follow the Bible. It's sad, if i ever had a doubt or needed religious advice the last place I'd go to is here. Shouldn't we be helping each other instead of debating and scaring "visitors" to this religion away? Stop trying to analyze everything. Like i always say, just because you don't like something doesnt mean you have to convince others not to like it either. We're all SDA's so why do we act like we're not?

 

[Pythons]

Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm on my 'second forced hiatus' for defending Orthodoxy.

 

[JonMiller]

Well, so many people here have so many different issues that we end up talking about those issues rather then being Christian here. I guess that is what they need, I go and talk about personal issues more elsewhere.

JM

 

[BobRyan]

I took a year off from CF because of all the mixed messages, confusing and stressfull misinterpretations of this section...and I forgot my password haha

What I am worried about is that in the year I was gone, nothing had changed in here. people are still debating, arguing and coming up with excuses not to follow the Bible. It's sad,
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We're all SDA's so why do we act like we're not?

This board is for former SDAs -- so it is not a given that all here are in fact SDAs.

This board is also open to non-SDAs to ask and debate -- so again - not sure how we can assume all will agree on all points of doctrine.

This board is also for liberal (progressive?) and moderate SDAs so we would expect them to deny SDA doctrine about the IJ about Ellen White, about prophecy, about inspiration of the Bible and or about a literal 7 day creation -- possibly even leaning toward OSAS and Calvinism on some points.

That means that by design this area of the board is tailored made for discussions where "opinions may vary".

The conservative SDA board forum is much less volatile by comparison. Is that what you are looking for -- if so -- we have it.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Byfaithalone1]

The conservative SDA board forum is much less volatile by comparison.

This is a matter of opinion. Because I don't view this forum as being particularly volatile, I really don't see that there is a more combative tone in this forum than there is in the traditional SDA forum. There is certainly disagreement (and strong personalities) in both.

With that said, I certainly agree with you that there are both SDAs and non-SDAs in this forum. For that reason, one gains a broader perspective of issues than one might find in a homogenous forum that includes mostly like-minded individuals.

BFA

 

[StormyOne]

This is a matter of opinion. Because I don't view this forum as being particularly volatile, I really don't see that there is a more combative tone in this forum than there is in the traditional SDA forum. There is certainly disagreement (and strong personalities) in both.

With that said, I certainly agree with you that there are both SDAs and non-SDAs in this forum. For that reason, one gains a broader perspective of issues than one might find in a homogenous forum that includes mostly like-minded individuals.

BFA

It is obvious that some don't like a broader perspective, they want one perspective narrowly defined.... no such animal, not in religion and not in life...

 

[BobRyan]

The "both SDA and non-SDA" context of debates here "by definition" means a wider range of differences than on the conservative SDA section where the moderators are actually trying to limit the range of allowable differences to create their view of "safe haven".

I am not stating a point about my preference -- just a fact of the boards.

But of course in this area of the boards -- even "that" is debatable!

in Christ,

Bob

 

[StormyOne]

The "both SDA and non-SDA" context of debates here "by definition" means a wider range of differences than on the conservative SDA section where the moderators are actually trying to limit the range of allowable differences to create their view of "safe haven".

I am not stating a point about my preference -- just a fact of the boards.

But of course in this area of the boards -- even "that" is debatable!

in Christ,

Bob

but of course......lol

 

[Avonia]

Stormy, it's nice to see you here.

 

[StormyOne]

Stormy, it's nice to see you here.

well I revisit every now and again....

 

[Byfaithalone1]

What I am worried about is that in the year I was gone, nothing had changed in here. people are still debating, arguing

Has that not been happening for centuries? Did you think that, without your presence for a year, this pattern would end?

and coming up with excuses not to follow the Bible.

That's an interesting allegation. Can you cite an example so we can understand what it is that you're seeing?

It's sad, if i ever had a doubt or needed religious advice the last place I'd go to is here.

Well, I certainly wouldn't recommend it as your primary resource. Rather, I'd recommend the Holy Spirit and the Bible

Shouldn't we be helping each other

How do you define "help?" Is open dialogue among people of differing opinions ever helpful? Is it necessarily damaging?

instead of debating and scaring "visitors" to this religion away?

So you'd prefer that this site be a pro-SDA fluff piece; a place where only SDAs gather to offer the standard SDA battle cry? You'd rather that visitors to SDAism not hear from various viewpoints?

Stop trying to analyze everything.

Are we to test prophets? Are we to evaluate doctrine? If not, why not?

Like i always say, just because you don't like something doesnt mean you have to convince others not to like it either.

My motive is not to convince someone to believe as I do. Rather, the issue is that a denomination has told the world that it must believe as it does.

Is the sabbath beneficial? By all means keep it.

Is vegetarianism helpful to you? By all means adopt it.

Does the investigative judgment reveal to you the gospel of salvation by grace through faith alone? By all means adhere to it.

Does it benefit you to fear the impending national Sunday law? If so, then I won't try to tell you that you fear in vain.

Do you enjoy viewing yourself and your denomination as THE ONLY remnant people? If so, why would I remind you that the remnant are chosen based on grace and not works.

Should every person believe that, if they do not keep the sabbath, they are in danger of eventually receiving the mark of the beast? If so, then I can hardly conclude that I am limiting your freedom to believe as you wish.
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The point is not that I want you to believe as I do. The point is that SDAism expects the world to believe as it does.

We're all SDA's so why do we act like we're not?

Actually, this is not an accurate statement. Many of us are not SDA. The stated purpose of this forum allows us to post here.

BFA

 

[dragNdrop]

Hiatus

Hi, I am a newBie here. I like this forum because of it's vairety of convictions. I get a different angle to look at things the way I never considered before.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Hiatus

Hi, I am a newBie here. I like this forum because of it's vairety of convictions. I get a different angle to look at things the way I never considered before.

I agree, DND.

BFA

 

[Dasdream]

Has that not been happening for centuries? Did you think that, without your presence for a year, this pattern would end?



That's an interesting allegation. Can you cite an example so we can understand what it is that you're seeing?



Well, I certainly wouldn't recommend it as your primary resource. Rather, I'd recommend the Holy Spirit and the Bible



How do you define "help?" Is open dialogue among people of differing opinions ever helpful? Is it necessarily damaging?



So you'd prefer that this site be a pro-SDA fluff piece; a place where only SDAs gather to offer the standard SDA battle cry? You'd rather that visitors to SDAism not hear from various viewpoints?



Are we to test prophets? Are we to evaluate doctrine? If not, why not?



My motive is not to convince someone to believe as I do. Rather, the issue is that a denomination has told the world that it must believe as it does.

Is the sabbath beneficial? By all means keep it.

Is vegetarianism helpful to you? By all means adopt it.

Does the investigative judgment reveal to you the gospel of salvation by grace through faith alone? By all means adhere to it.

Does it benefit you to fear the impending national Sunday law? If so, then I won't try to tell you that you fear in vain.

Do you enjoy viewing yourself and your denomination as THE ONLY remnant people? If so, why would I remind you that the remnant are chosen based on grace and not works.

Should every person believe that, if they do not keep the sabbath, they are in danger of eventually receiving the mark of the beast? If so, then I can hardly conclude that I am limiting your freedom to believe as you wish.
​

The point is not that I want you to believe as I do. The point is that SDAism expects the world to believe as it does.



Actually, this is not an accurate statement. Many of us are not SDA. The stated purpose of this forum allows us to post here.

BFA

Example A: Picking apart peoples post.

Example B: Not one word of encouragement.

thank you for being an example of almost everything I said.

Was your post supposed to help me or spark an arguement?

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I was not referring to non SDA's i was referring to current SDA's, I thought I made that pretty obvious. Regardless of what we are, we are still all Christians and the bahavior is unacceptable.

If you have a question about a religions belief, fine ask it, but don't ask it with the intent to correct whoever replies to it.

A Visitor would come in and ask about a certain religoins views on a subject, but instead everyone and their brother from all religions comes in and gives them different opinions and then an arguement insues. if you're not from that religion, stay out of the section unless you have a legitimate question.

Yes reading the bible is the best option for everyone, because as sad as this is, this place puts more doubts in your head then any of those Bible bashing websites. Anytime you put all these religions under one roof to discuss the Bible and God nothing good happens and with all these big egos, forget about it, you're introuble.

I'm not saying people have to agree with me, just respect each other. Do as God asks and be kind.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Example A: Picking apart peoples post.

Example B: Not one word of encouragement.

thank you for being an example of almost everything I said.

Was your post supposed to help me or spark an arguement?

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I was not referring to non SDA's i was referring to current SDA's, I thought I made that pretty obvious. Regardless of what we are, we are still all Christians and the bahavior is unacceptable.

If you have a question about a religions belief, fine ask it, but don't ask it with the intent to correct whoever replies to it.

A Visitor would come in and ask about a certain religoins views on a subject, but instead everyone and their brother from all religions comes in and gives them different opinions and then an arguement insues. if you're not from that religion, stay out of the section unless you have a legitimate question.

Yes reading the bible is the best option for everyone, because as sad as this is, this place puts more doubts in your head then any of those Bible bashing websites. Anytime you put all these religions under one roof to discuss the Bible and God nothing good happens and with all these big egos, forget about it, you're introuble.

I'm not saying people have to agree with me, just respect each other. Do as God asks and be kind.

I don't know how my post was received, but I do know that my intent was anything but unkind. I am grateful that folks from a variety of backgrounds are permitted to dialogue in this forum. There are people who "follow the Bible" who reach conclusions that differ from mine and from yours. Sometimes, I find it helpful to consider other viewpoints.

BFA