Bachmann Quits

[cow451]

 

[GarfieldJL]

So I suppose the IRS targetting Conservatives as well as Christians and Jews didn't happen, oh that's right it did happen...

So much for it being a conspiracy theory huh...

 

[abdAlSalam]

So I suppose the IRS targetting Conservatives as well as Christians and Jews didn't happen, oh that's right it did happen...

So much for it being a conspiracy theory huh...

1. When did that happen?
2. When did Bachman draw attention to it?

I don't claim to speak for Bennet but he's right that Bachman has said some nutty things before. See: HPV vaccines cause otherwise healthy women to suffer from mental retardation, Mexican Drug Cartels teaming up with Iranian paramilitary, Swine Flu outbreaks having a causal relationship with Democratic administrations, etc.

 

[GarfieldJL]

1. When did that happen?

The targetting went on from at least 2010 and is still going on.

2. When did Bachman draw attention to it?

I didn't say she did, I'm saying that calling people a bunch of nuts for not trusting the government is laughable, considering the IRS scandal, the Benghazi Scandal, and the DoJ targeting AP and Fox News.

I don't claim to speak for Bennet but he's right that Bachman has said some nutty things before. See: HPV vaccines cause otherwise healthy women to suffer from mental retardation, Mexican Drug Cartels teaming up with Iranian paramilitary, Swine Flu outbreaks having a causal relationship with Democratic administrations, etc.

Oh really? I actually did some checking and it's funny, while you thought what Bachman was nutty, you need to learn that just cause something sounds nutty, doesn't mean it isn't true.

Health risks from HPV vaccine:

Side effects for the HPV vaccines include pain and redness or swelling at the injection site. In addition, other mild reactions can include dizziness, nausea and headache, the CDC reported. Fainting is also a side effect, but it is important to note that it can occur because of any vaccine or injection. There was also an increase of blood clots of the lungs reported compared to young women around the same age who had received other vaccines, but 90 percent had a known risk factor for blood clots, including taking oral contraceptives, otherwise known as birth control pills.

In total, 23 million doses were administered as of June 2006. Out of 12,424 cases of adverse events by that date, only 6 percent were serious and 32 deaths were reported. However, none of the deaths had a discernible pattern that would suggest that the vaccine was the cause of death.
Side effect fears stop parents from getting HPV vaccine for daughters - CBS News

New Biohazard Found in HPV Vaccine Gardasil


So Bachmann wasn't exactly off her rocker on the first example you gave...

Mexican Drug Cartel working with Iran:


The Iranian plot the US government says aimed to murder Saudi Arabia's ambassador to Washington allegedly fell down because a member of the Mexican Zeta drug cartel hired to carry out the job for $1.5m was actually a US informant.

The informant told the Drugs Enforcement Agency (DEA) in May that he had been contacted by alleged Iranian agent Manssor Arbabsiar. They held several meetings in Mexico which were taped. Methods discussed reportedly included a targeted assassination and a bomb.
Iran's alleged Mexican hitman was US drugs informant | World news | The Guardian

The third thing you brought up was probably something she meant figuratively and I would need the context of the statements you are referring to in order to do a detailed search on it.

 

[abdAlSalam]

The targetting went on from at least 2010 and is still going on.

Specifically Christian and Jewish organizations.

I didn't say she did, I'm saying that calling people a bunch of nuts for not trusting the government is laughable, considering the IRS scandal, the Benghazi Scandal, and the DoJ targeting AP and Fox News.

Except that has no bearing on Bachman being a nutter.

Oh really? I actually did some checking and it's funny, while you thought what Bachman was nutty, you need to learn that just cause something sounds nutty, doesn't mean it isn't true.

Health risks from HPV vaccine:

Side effects for the HPV vaccines include pain and redness or swelling at the injection site. In addition, other mild reactions can include dizziness, nausea and headache, the CDC reported. Fainting is also a side effect, but it is important to note that it can occur because of any vaccine or injection. There was also an increase of blood clots of the lungs reported compared to young women around the same age who had received other vaccines, but 90 percent had a known risk factor for blood clots, including taking oral contraceptives, otherwise known as birth control pills.

In total, 23 million doses were administered as of June 2006. Out of 12,424 cases of adverse events by that date, only 6 percent were serious and 32 deaths were reported. However, none of the deaths had a discernible pattern that would suggest that the vaccine was the cause of death.
Side effect fears stop parents from getting HPV vaccine for daughters - CBS News

New Biohazard Found in HPV Vaccine Gardasil

Are you for real? No one denies that vaccinations cant have health problems associated with them. Bachmans contention was that the vaccine caused mental retardation. Note that none of those side effects listed in the CBS article are mental retardation.

So Bachmann wasn't exactly off her rocker on the first example you gave...

She most certainly was.

Mexican Drug Cartel working with Iran:


The Iranian plot the US government says aimed to murder Saudi Arabia's ambassador to Washington allegedly fell down because a member of the Mexican Zeta drug cartel hired to carry out the job for $1.5m was actually a US informant.

The informant told the Drugs Enforcement Agency (DEA) in May that he had been contacted by alleged Iranian agent Manssor Arbabsiar. They held several meetings in Mexico which were taped. Methods discussed reportedly included a targeted assassination and a bomb.
Iran's alleged Mexican hitman was US drugs informant | World news | The Guardian

Except probably not.

Mexico disputes House report alleging cartel terrorist ties | The Daily Caller

The report found that the “Southwest border has now become the greatest threat of terrorist infiltration into the United States.” It specifically cited a “growing influence” from Iranian and Hezbollah terror forces in Latin America.
The Mexican government disagreed with that assessment.
“The Government of Mexico, as it has done in the past, reiterates that no such relationship or presence exists,” Ricardo Alday, a spokesman for Mexico’s ambassador to the United States, wrote in a letter to TheDC.
Alday pointed to the U.S. State Department’s Country Reports on Terrorism to support Mexico’s argument. “n each and every one of its Country Reports on Terrorism, the US Department of State has unmistakably established that there is no such relationship.”
Alday quoted the latest such State Department report, issued on July 31 of this year.
“No known international terrorist organization had an operational presence in Mexico and no terrorist group targeted U.S. citizens in or from Mexican territory,” the State Department report reads. “There was no evidence of ties between Mexican criminal organizations and terrorist groups, nor that the criminal organizations had political or territorial control, aside from seeking to protect and expand the impunity with which they conduct their criminal activity.”

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The third thing you brought up was probably something she meant figuratively and I would need the context of the statements you are referring to in order to do a detailed search on it.

"I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out then under another Democrat president Jimmy Carter. And I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence."

Hmm yes, she thinks its JUST a coincidence.

Oh and she was also wrong. Ford was the last President in charge during a swine flu epidemic prior to the one under Obama.

 

[GarfieldJL]

Specifically Christian and Jewish organizations.

As to how far back when they started doing this, not sure, but we do know that they were targetted in 2011 up to today.

Except that has no bearing on Bachman being a nutter.

Actually it does, just it suggests something about those that ridiculed the Tea Party and Michelle Bachman that isn't exactly flattering...

Are you for real? No one denies that vaccinations cant have health problems associated with them. Bachmans contention was that the vaccine caused mental retardation. Note that none of those side effects listed in the CBS article are mental retardation.

Actually it does...

It can cause an increase in blood clots, in case you were unaware, blood clots in the brain are what causes strokes... Strokes cause brain damage which can cause a loss in a person's ability to function permanently...

So no matter how you try to spin it, what Bachman said was accurate...

She most certainly was.

So are you suggesting strokes can't cause brain damage?

Except probably not.

Mexico disputes House report alleging cartel terrorist ties | The Daily Caller

Do you honestly think that Mexico would want to admit that their cartels (which many goverment officials in Mexico are on the dole of said cartels) that those cartels now are associating themselves with Iran?

Seriously considering the committees in the House that Bachman was a member of when she made those statements, if I had to pick between which of you actually knew what they were talking about, I'd have to pick Bachman over you.

Bachmann was selected by House Speaker John Boehner for a position "on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, giving her a new role as overseer of the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency and the rest of the U.S. intelligence community."[135] Bachmann, who had "not served on any committee that deals with foreign policy issues" requested the position,[135] "a move that has fueled speculation that she may be planning to carry the Tea Party banner into the GOP presidential primaries."[135]
Michele Bachmann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I mean seriously, she got intelligence briefings and you did not, so chances are she actually knows what she's talking about, and you don't.

"I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out then under another Democrat president Jimmy Carter. And I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence."

Okay? So she's taking a swipe at Obama in a way comparing him to Jimmy Carter.

Words can have more than one meaning and sometimes things can be a play on words... Does the term porkulace (also been called spendulous)mean anything to you?

Hmm yes, she thinks its JUST a coincidence.

So she's taking political shots at Obama, big deal. I fail to see how that makes her nutty...

Oh and she was also wrong. Ford was the last President in charge during a swine flu epidemic prior to the one under Obama.

She's a tax attorney not a historian...

 

[RedDead1981]

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[abdAlSalam]

As to how far back when they started doing this, not sure, but we do know that they were targetted in 2011 up to today.

In case you havent noticed Im waiting for a citation.

Actually it does...

It can cause an increase in blood clots, in case you were unaware, blood clots in the brain are what causes strokes... Strokes cause brain damage which can cause a loss in a person's ability to function permanently...

Wait what?
Now strokes are the same thing as mental retardation? Are you serious?
Why are you even wasting time defending this crap? Does the team mean that much to you?

So no matter how you try to spin it, what Bachman said was accurate...

I am not the one spinning this particular gem.

So are you suggesting strokes can't cause brain damage?

So are you suggesting that a stroke is the same thing as mental retardation?

Do you honestly think that Mexico would want to admit that their cartels (which many goverment officials in Mexico are on the dole of said cartels) that those cartels now are associating themselves with Iran?

Perhaps not, but when they quote OUR OWN State Department, which has no such reason to lie, I tend to listen.

Seriously considering the committees in the House that Bachman was a member of when she made those statements, if I had to pick between which of you actually knew what they were talking about, I'd have to pick Bachman over you.

Bachmann is such an intellectual lightweight that it almost isnt worth the effort to talk about her time on the House Intelligence committee.
In the past Rep. Bachmann has:
1. Asked CIA officials about classified information during public hearings
2. Asked the CIA director about non-existent drone strikes in North Africa, in the same session implying that she thinks that the White House itself has drone-launching capability
3. Made baseless accusations about Huma Abedin and some spurious connection to the Muslim Brotherhood
4. claimed that Americorps is operating as a reeducation camp
5. has expressed concern over a resurgence of the Soviet Union

This Rep. had no place on that committee and her appointment was purely politics, in order to try and bring the Tea Party into the Republican fold (an effort that, until 2012 perhaps, largely succeeded).

I mean seriously, she got intelligence briefings and you did not, so chances are she actually knows what she's talking about, and you don't.

She hasnt ever shown herself to be particularly adept at navigating the intricacies of global politics. Go ahead and trust her over me if you like. But trusting her over people who do actually know what the heck theyre talking about is a fools game.

Okay? So she's taking a swipe at Obama in a way comparing him to Jimmy Carter.

Except 1. it was a fact that she made up and 2. she was obviously trying to draw a causal relationship between swine flu and Democratic presidents. Its the basic Glenn Beck Just Asking Questions tactic.

Words can have more than one meaning and sometimes things can be a play on words... Does the term porkulace (also been called spendulous)mean anything to you?

Do you even know yourself what youre talking about anymore?

She's a tax attorney not a historian...

She's a tax attorney not an expert on Intelligence.
She's a tax attorney not a foreign policy wonk.
She's a tax attorney, not some one who should be trusted with classified freaking information.

 

[Rion]

Did Sen. Dole take the test himself? I ask becuase I'm wondering what is the ultimate source of that plot graph.

OnTheIssues.org - Candidates on the Issues

And I was unaware of the other stuff with Bacman I never pay attention to her.

 

[Rion]

Review & Outlook: Curious IRS Timing - WSJ.com

Pro-Life, Christian Groups Come Forward as Being Unlawfully Targeted By IRS | Christian News Network

There you go, Saleem.

 

[Rion]

Review & Outlook: Curious IRS Timing - WSJ.com

Pro-Life, Christian Groups Come Forward as Being Unlawfully Targeted By IRS | Christian News Network

There you go, Saleem.

 

[Rion]

And if he is, and he represents the spirit of early-to-mid-century conservatism, and in turn represents the spirit of conservatism before that, then appealing to your scale (which is a great one) means you're appealing to something that lacks validity: it doesn't really measure old-school conservatism defined according to the Burkean temperament of reluctance but willingness to change as opposed to unreluctant rigidity to change because of a willingness to return to much older principles from another time.

So Dole is a moderate populist according to your scale; this means that all old-school conservates are moderate populists to some significant degree, which is why the argument breaks down by using the scale.

So basically, you're trying to define conservative for us. Nice.

Also: unreluctant - Definition of unreluctant - Online Dictionary from Datasegment.com

So, when liberals refuse to drop their principles for "unity" they're showing backone, right? When conservatives refuse, it's because we're no longer true conservatives?

 

[MachZer0]

So basically, you're trying to define conservative for us. Nice.

Also: unreluctant - Definition of unreluctant - Online Dictionary from Datasegment.com

So, when liberals refuse to drop their principles for "unity" they're showing backone, right? When conservatives refuse, it's because we're no longer true conservatives?

I do find that interestint that our liberal friends find it within their purview to tell us what we as conservatives should believe. I suspect it's because to them, winning and holding power is the preeminent goal and if principles have to be abandoned to do so, then so be it. Thus they believe conservatives should do the same, abandon our principles in order to win

 

[TLK Valentine]

I do find that interestint that our liberal friends find it within their purview to tell us what we as conservatives should believe. I suspect it's because to them, winning and holding power is the preeminent goal and if principles have to be abandoned to do so, then so be it. Thus they believe conservatives should do the same, abandon our principles in order to win

What principles would those be, Mach?

 

[MachZer0]

What principles would those be, Mach?

Which ones do you think?

 

[DaisyDay]

The targetting went on from at least 2010 and is still going on.

It was organizations with political-sounding names that applied for 501(c)(4) exemptions that were targeted not generic conservatives or Christians. It was meant as triage for the overwhelming flood of such applications and outside inquiries about those applications.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Which ones do you think?

The ones you just mentioned -- that is to say, none at all.

 

[Rion]

It was organizations with political-sounding names that applied for 501(c)(4) exemptions that were targeted not generic conservatives or Christians. It was meant as triage for the overwhelming flood of such applications and outside inquiries about those applications.

Nope. See my links.

 

[RedDead1981]

People have been defining their political opposition for a long time, nothing new. Suddenly taking offense at it now is a bit disingenuous when one has been doing it (rather than accepting the definition said group chooses for themselves) all along. "Liberals hate America every bit as much as terrorists do." - Some conservative friend

 

[RedDead1981]

I do find that interestint that our liberal friends find it within their purview to tell us what we as conservatives should believe. I suspect it's because to them, winning and holding power is the preeminent goal and if principles have to be abandoned to do so, then so be it. Thus they believe conservatives should do the same, abandon our principles in order to win

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