Awake Or Asleep?

[Studyman]

Perhaps I can explain that with this question.
Can we be sure there are only two resurrections?

No, God's Program can be repeated over and over and over, with dozens of resurrections over the everlasting eternity.

But for me, according to what the Scriptures teach, there is only ONE resurrection after physical death that prolongs my life. And I am instructed to be diligent, to Labor that I am raised in that resurrection.

Let's build on what you know.
The kings and priests are resurrected to heaven to rule and judge with Christ for 1,000 years. You know those scriptures.

Yes.

The unrighteous are resurrected, and there is a thousand year judgment where these ones get a fair chance to do deeds based on knowledge, which they will be judged on.

This is not my belief, I'm sorry my speech left this impression. It wasn't the "unrighteous" that is said to be resurrected in Ez. 37, as I referenced. It was the "Whole house of Israel".

Ez. 37: 11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

My understanding is lacking on a few points here, by lacking I mean, "I know what day God's Sabbath is", but I am sill questioning who this "whole house of Israel is", according to scriptures. "Not all Israel is of Israel". "A Jew is not a Jew outwardly".

I have thought that they are resurrected and taught by the Kings and Priests of God in the 1000 year reign. But God already knows the "heart" of true Israel. And the "Promised Land" is symbolic for the Kingdom of heaven.

It is written also;

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God. 24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

But then I also know that "EVERY" person ever born, with the exception of Jesus, has engaged in this unrighteous behavior at some point in their lives. This includes you and I, this I know. Including the "Dead in Christ" that will be raised first, and be Kings and Priests in the 1000 year reign.

I really haven't spent a lot of time on this issue, but now that you brought it up, the more I study and dwell on it, the more I believe that the "Whole house of Israel", includes not only Israel, but those who chose to sojourn with Israel, as the Commandment states.

34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for "ye were strangers" in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

They would be the "Saints" who had all been in Egypt, (Lived in Sin), but had repented and turned to God.

Rev. 14: 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith "of Jesus".

These would be the dead in Christ, the more I ponder and study.

The confusion, often comes from Revelation 29:5 Revelation 20:5

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, "and" for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This would include Noah, Abraham, Caleb, David, Peter, James, and all the men who, as Paul teaches,

Eph. 2: 2 Wherein "in time past" ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Abraham walked according to the course of this world, before God called him out of sin/egypt/ the course of this world. He died "In Hope" that God's Promises were true and that he would be forgiven his sins.

However, rather than break down what is built, keep building.
We read Revelation 20:11, 12

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Now we ask a question or two....

• Who are the dead standing before the throne?

I think now, that this would be all those who were not of the first resurrection.

• How can they be dead if they are standing?

Paul said EVERY man will stand before the judgment seat of Christ. Wouldn't these then be the dead that are raised, as opposed to the dead that are not raised?

"5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection." 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The last question is a hint.

I'm grateful for the topic, and the study. I was wrong I think, about "Israel" being raised and taught by Priests in the 1000 year reign of Christ. I didn't connect the dead in Christ with the Children of Abraham (Israel inwardly) being those who did the "works of Abraham" which was defined by Scriptures as Faith, the same Faith Jesus had from a child.

Thank you.

 

[Studyman]

Where does it say "last great day" in the Bible? I know Jesus says four times he will resurrect or raise people up on the last day, and he says judgment day is on the last day.

John 7: 37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

This is the Last Holy Feast of the Year, and it is called "The Last Great Day" by the ancient Jews. You are right to point out that this term wasn't used in Scriptures but was known to the Apostle John. The Feast of Tabernacles is an 8 Day Feast, the Last Day being of important significance which I believe to be Judgment Day. This Feast foreshadows this event, in my understanding.

Passover being the very beginning of the salvation plan of God for all of men, and the Last Day of the Feast of Booths/Tabernacles being the end.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Could you please explain to me why Jesus uses these words: "will not see life" at John 3:36 and at Matthew 7:14 "the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

I would appreciate any light you can shed on the subject. I am just trying to make sense of these two scriptures.

I'm having a little trouble figuring out what you are after, here. Is there something about those two verses that is puzzling you?

John 3:36 "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them."​

"Will not see life" harkens back to quotes and references all through the Bible—particularly in the New Testament—concerning spiritual life. Ever since Adam's disobedience in the Garden, we are spiritually dead, until we are "born again"—born from above, by the Spirit of God. (This is God's doing, and, it is evident that not all people experience it the same way; some may not even know at first that it has happened. Some say things like, "One day I just realized that I believed!")

But John 3:36 expands that fact of being given life by God, which is in THIS temporal existence of ours an "already-but-not-yet" sort of thing, into the eternal life aspect of Salvation. We (believers) are saved during this life, but that life we now to some degree experience will be SEEN when we see Him as He is, in Heaven. HE IS our life. (1 John 3:2)

John 3 begins with Jesus' conversation with the Pharisee, Nicodemus; it is a very well-known passage about being born of the Spirit of God (who is as unaccountable as the wind in this context, does what it does without reference to what people do), and about belief and condemnation, and about spiritual light and darkness. Then Jesus moves on to another place where he was with his disciples and baptized. John the Baptist speaks about Jesus then, and it is my opinion that the rest of that chapter (verses 31-36) is also John the Baptist speaking. It could have been John the apostle, to whom the Gospel of John is attributed, adding his own commentary after quoting John the Baptist, and, I suppose, it could have been Jesus—regardless, it is the inspired word of God, and fits the rest of that chapter, and fits the whole book of John.

The apostle John also wrote 1st, 2nd and 3rd John, in my opinion, because they all sound like the same author as wrote John 3, and focus on much the same issue, though different aspects of it. They are worth reading, even if only because they shed light on this verse you are asking about. (Keep any Bible verse in the immediate context and in the context of all of scripture. It is easy to be misled by considering any verse by itself. Scripture always agrees with Scripture; anywhere it seems to contradict it is either a language issue or teaching method or some other such thing, or (more likely) a misunderstanding by the reader.)

Matthew 7:13,14 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few."​

These verses were not written in English, and in translating, it is hard to make them 'mean' the same thing they do in the Greek. The versions that try to explain often do so to the detriment of plays on words and symbolism and so on that Jesus used. So try to hold any one passage loosely in your mind, and read the Bible voraciously to gain depth behind the single verses that you have questions about.

We know that elsewhere (John 14:6), Jesus said that HE is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. Nobody can come to the Father (the "Heavenly Father") but by HIM. And in John 10:9, he even uses the same "figure" of the gate through which one goes and is saved.

That few 'find it' is self-evident, I think. However, it is also worth considering it a play on words, in that, as I mentioned, some realize that they now believe, so it is with "finding" The Way. Some say, "Well, yes, but no! It found me!"

Our wills are totally involved in the faith, the desire for Christ, the work of obedience, repentance and thoughts concerning God. But it is not our wills that save us, nor even that drive us to Christ. We believe because GOD 'gives us to believe' —not because we considered it a practical good idea. We yield our will to him because GOD made us spiritually alive. "We do so because it is so."

 

[CoreyD]

What? Who said anything about resurrecting Samuel to talk to Saul?

Pardon me.
You said, "God had him come up", and I only know of one way a dead person "comes up", and that is by resurrection.
Are you saying there is another way a dead person can "come up".... can you please show me that in the scriptures, please. Or are you saying Samuel did not die?

Are you seriously of the opinion that God cannot use a séance for his own purposes? Things pretty obviously did not go the way the witch had expected.

I'm not sure what you are saying here.
It sounds like you are saying God can do X, and therefore God does X.
For example, God can created little green men with big head and big eyes, therefore God created little green men with big head and big eyes.

The Bible says in later times men with itching ears will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. 2 Thessalonians.
So, yes, in many churches, the pastor says things that are not in scripture, and says it is what God does, and many swallow it, but I don't have itching ears. I am interested in what the scriptures say.

So rather than say "Are you seriously of the opinion that God cannot...", I would be in a better position to answer your question, if you asked, "Are you saying the scriptures are wrong, when it says, God did..."
Also, sticking to the scriptures and dismissing ideas is not an opinion. It's a position by choice.

Show me point by point where what I said was "clashing against all the scriptures". All you see is me clashing against your use of scriptures. Did God tell Saul he would never again show him what's what via Samuel? Do you think, after Samuel died, that God would give him a choice whether or not to do what God had in mind concerning Saul? Samuel repeated what God told him before, that Saul was rejected and without hope, and added that Saul would die the next day.

Is it not possible that you are only adamant about your POV?

I showed you point by point, Mark.
I went from the beginning, and stepped forward.
However, my eyes are the best, so I could understand that could be anyone's situation, and it's possible to overlook something.
I'll increase the font size, if that helps.

Also, I'll take you just a step.
CoreyD said...

What I am saying is that anyone can come up with any idea they might come up with, it's still imaginative, and does not replace what is written for us.​

When a person becomes so brilliant that what the scriptures actually say, becomes second place to their reasoning, that person has broken a scriptural rule, and has taken a position that is in opposition to God... perhaps without realizing it.​

​

The scriptures put it this way:​

1 Corinthians 4:6​

I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another.​

​

Notice the connection between being puffed up with pride, and going beyond what is written.​

Imagine that someone is always telling persons what is not actually written, but what they are seeing, whom or what are they drawing attention to... the scriptures, or their intelligence?​

In that way, the person is doing what Paul is discouraging.​

Mark Quayle's response...

Don't forget my disclaimer, which itself defeats the notion that what I presented was FACT. I believe it to be 'A Way To Look At Things", which I also believe to more closely represent the way God sees things, than what we extract from personal experience, and, more to the point, than what we often extract from the anthropomorphistic tone of some of Scripture.​

CoreyD replied...

Thanks again, but I'll like to point out two things that I often try to draw to person's attention.​

1. It's okay to use the scriptures to point out that "God is quite a bit more than their assessment of him and of this world that he made", but if we let the scriptures do that, instead of us, we demonstrate that the scriptures are the authority.
2. If we view the scriptures as the authority, we allow that, and not our ideas, or thoughts on what we read, to be the truth. In that way, we acknowledge that correct knowledge of truth is attainable from scripture, and not as many people claim - the idea that we all are in the same boat, and no one can claim to know correctly.

​

So, let's use this topic, to demonstrate these.​

God is outside of time, therefore X.​

God is outside of time, therefore X is one possibility, we don't want to dismiss.​

God is outside of time, therefore it is possible that in the time not known to us, Jesus went to paradise with the thief.​

​

None of this reasoning uses the scriptures as the authority.​

Rather, what it does, is indicate that the idea is just as valid as the scriptures, and can even be scripturally based... though it's not. It's simply an idea.​

I made the points a little bigger, so that you can see, I did step through the points.

 

[walter45]

I'm having a little trouble figuring out what you are after, here. Is there something about those two verses that is puzzling you?

John 3:36 "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them."​

"Will not see life" harkens back to quotes and references all through the Bible—particularly in the New Testament—concerning spiritual life. Ever since Adam's disobedience in the Garden, we are spiritually dead, until we are "born again"—born from above, by the Spirit of God. (This is God's doing, and, it is evident that not all people experience it the same way; some may not even know at first that it has happened. Some say things like, "One day I just realized that I believed!")

But John 3:36 expands that fact of being given life by God, which is in THIS temporal existence of ours an "already-but-not-yet" sort of thing, into the eternal life aspect of Salvation. We (believers) are saved during this life, but that life we now to some degree experience will be SEEN when we see Him as He is, in Heaven. HE IS our life. (1 John 3:2)

John 3 begins with Jesus' conversation with the Pharisee, Nicodemus; it is a very well-known passage about being born of the Spirit of God (who is as unaccountable as the wind in this context, does what it does without reference to what people do), and about belief and condemnation, and about spiritual light and darkness. Then Jesus moves on to another place where he was with his disciples and baptized. John the Baptist speaks about Jesus then, and it is my opinion that the rest of that chapter (verses 31-36) is also John the Baptist speaking. It could have been John the apostle, to whom the Gospel of John is attributed, adding his own commentary after quoting John the Baptist, and, I suppose, it could have been Jesus—regardless, it is the inspired word of God, and fits the rest of that chapter, and fits the whole book of John.

The apostle John also wrote 1st, 2nd and 3rd John, in my opinion, because they all sound like the same author as wrote John 3, and focus on much the same issue, though different aspects of it. They are worth reading, even if only because they shed light on this verse you are asking about. (Keep any Bible verse in the immediate context and in the context of all of scripture. It is easy to be misled by considering any verse by itself. Scripture always agrees with Scripture; anywhere it seems to contradict it is either a language issue or teaching method or some other such thing, or (more likely) a misunderstanding by the reader.)

Matthew 7:13,14 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few."​

These verses were not written in English, and in translating, it is hard to make them 'mean' the same thing they do in the Greek. The versions that try to explain often do so to the detriment of plays on words and symbolism and so on that Jesus used. So try to hold any one passage loosely in your mind, and read the Bible voraciously to gain depth behind the single verses that you have questions about.

We know that elsewhere (John 14:6), Jesus said that HE is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. Nobody can come to the Father (the "Heavenly Father") but by HIM. And in John 10:9, he even uses the same "figure" of the gate through which one goes and is saved.

That few 'find it' is self-evident, I think. However, it is also worth considering it a play on words, in that, as I mentioned, some realize that they now believe, so it is with "finding" The Way. Some say, "Well, yes, but no! It found me!"

Our wills are totally involved in the faith, the desire for Christ, the work of obedience, repentance and thoughts concerning God. But it is not our wills that save us, nor even that drive us to Christ. We believe because GOD 'gives us to believe' —not because we considered it a practical good idea. We yield our will to him because GOD made us spiritually alive. "We do so because it is so."

Everlasting Life is a Free Gift from God, God's Son sacrificed his life for everyone's salvation, Jesus paid the price, Not anything that we've done ourselves.

So simply why are we obedient to all Jesus words, because the Bible says to be obedient to Jesus words and God's word in the scriptures several times.

I just like to share the scriptures and its information, I am not after anything in particular. I like to share Peace, Christian love and Kindness wherever I can find a friendly person.

 

[CoreyD]

Acts 8:27And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,

28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet. 29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? 31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. 32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: 33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth. 34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

I like this story as well. From the beginning of the Chapter there were men who "professed to know God" like Saul and the mainstream religion of that time, who also read and claimed to understand what Isaiah said. This Ethiopian had gone to Jerusalem to worship God and no doubt heard the Pharisees promote their religion. But he was still seeking answers that the mainstream religions of his time could or would not answer. If this man was seeking God from his heart, would God would reveal Himself to him. I

God did reveal himself to the Ethiopian, did he not?
Isn't that why he had come to Jerusalem to worship?
The scriptures say the man was reading Isaiah the prophet, which he wanted help understanding.
He invited Philip to guide him, and as Philip revealed the connection with Jesus, the Messiah and what was required of the Ethiopian, the man promptly got baptized.
What God did was reveal the truth from the scriptures, through one of his servants - Philip
Is that correct?

liken it to the "pricks" in Paul's heart Jesus spoke of. I don't believe it was a single prick that happened on the road to Damascus, rather, Paul was pricked in his heart at the way they treated Stephen and others. He was bothered by the commandments of men his adopted religion taught for doctrines. And he had guides that ruled over the Temple for centuries. But Jesus led him to someone God gave to Jesus for this purpose. I see the Ethiopian as another example of the same thing.

Thank you for sharing your belief.
Many have beliefs, which are not written in scripture, but as I was telling Mark, we should be careful not to break the rule at 1 Corinthians 4:5
Would you agree?

No, God's Program can be repeated over and over and over, with dozens of resurrections over the everlasting eternity.

But for me, according to what the Scriptures teach, there is only ONE resurrection after physical death that prolongs my life. And I am instructed to be diligent, to Labor that I am raised in that resurrection.



Yes.



This is not my belief, I'm sorry my speech left this impression. It wasn't the "unrighteous" that is said to be resurrected in Ez. 37, as I referenced. It was the "Whole house of Israel".

Ez. 37: 11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

My understanding is lacking on a few points here, by lacking I mean, "I know what day God's Sabbath is", but I am sill questioning who this "whole house of Israel is", according to scriptures. "Not all Israel is of Israel". "A Jew is not a Jew outwardly".

I have thought that they are resurrected and taught by the Kings and Priests of God in the 1000 year reign. But God already knows the "heart" of true Israel. And the "Promised Land" is symbolic for the Kingdom of heaven.

It is written also;

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God. 24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

But then I also know that "EVERY" person ever born, with the exception of Jesus, has engaged in this unrighteous behavior at some point in their lives. This includes you and I, this I know. Including the "Dead in Christ" that will be raised first, and be Kings and Priests in the 1000 year reign.

I really haven't spent a lot of time on this issue, but now that you brought it up, the more I study and dwell on it, the more I believe that the "Whole house of Israel", includes not only Israel, but those who chose to sojourn with Israel, as the Commandment states.

34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for "ye were strangers" in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

They would be the "Saints" who had all been in Egypt, (Lived in Sin), but had repented and turned to God.

Rev. 14: 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith "of Jesus".

These would be the dead in Christ, the more I ponder and study.



4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, "and" for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This would include Noah, Abraham, Caleb, David, Peter, James, and all the men who, as Paul teaches,

Eph. 2: 2 Wherein "in time past" ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Abraham walked according to the course of this world, before God called him out of sin/egypt/ the course of this world. He died "In Hope" that God's Promises were true and that he would be forgiven his sins.


11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.



I think now, that this would be all those who were not of the first resurrection.



Paul said EVERY man will stand before the judgment seat of Christ. Wouldn't these then be the dead that are raised, as opposed to the dead that are not raised?

"5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection." 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.



I'm grateful for the topic, and the study. I was wrong I think, about "Israel" being raised and taught by Priests in the 1000 year reign of Christ. I didn't connect the dead in Christ with the Children of Abraham (Israel inwardly) being those who did the "works of Abraham" which was defined by Scriptures as Faith, the same Faith Jesus had from a child.

Thank you.

Seems you are covered them.
Perhaps we will meet again sometime.

 

[Studyman]

God did reveal himself to the Ethiopian, did he not?
Isn't that why he had come to Jerusalem to worship?
The scriptures say the man was reading Isaiah the prophet, which he wanted help understanding.
He invited Philip to guide him, and as Philip revealed the connection with Jesus, the Messiah and what was required of the Ethiopian, the man promptly got baptized.
What God did was reveal the truth from the scriptures, through one of his servants - Philip
Is that correct?

The point being, God's Truth about His Son was not revealed to him through the mainstream preachers at Jerusalem in his time. But through the teaching of one of the 12 Apostles that Jesus chose to be a teacher, and sent to him.

Jesus also sent to me the written Testimony of these same Teachers that HE chose. He specifically warned about "many" teachers "who come in His Name". That is why I believe it is safe to study the teaching of the Prophets, and the Apostles God and His Son Jesus sent.

In the Holy Scriptures I have, Philip didn't Author any Epistles, although if he had, I would study and learn from them. Other Apostles Jesus chose did Author Epistles, and I am glad Jesus sent them to me.

Thank you for sharing your belief.
Many have beliefs, which are not written in scripture, but as I was telling Mark, we should be careful not to break the rule at 1 Corinthians 4:5
Would you agree?

"Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God."

Yes, it would be good to be careful not to judge someone of having beliefs that are not supported by Scripture.

Seems you are covered them.
Perhaps we will meet again sometime.

I hope so.