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Sabertooth · Jun 26, 2008

If they address my three concerns, I know way more people would probably get on board:

1. Remove thimerosal and any other known toxins,
2. Create vaccines from the cells of animals instead of murdered fetuses, &
3. Make sure they are safe for people who are not NTs.

gracechick · Jun 26, 2008

How long have the vaccines been produced using aborted babies?

Sabertooth · Jun 26, 2008

I am not sure, but the details are at http://www.cogforlife.org/

They are not all developed on such cells AND there are alternatives available (as used in other countries) that are completely developed from animal cells.

HazelAngel · Jun 27, 2008

sabertooth no one told me about vaccines being used to abort babies before I read this thread ok I am glad u told me because vaccines being used to abort babies is absolutly disgusting and right now I want to do something bout it but I cant Anyhow Sabertooth thanks for the info

Sabertooth · Jun 27, 2008

HazelAngel,

Vaccines aren't used to DO abortions, but many vaccines (in America) were made USING the cells (bodies) of known abortion victims. That is what that website establishes in detail.

The bloodguilt associated with those vaccines may be more of a basis for the bount-up parts of ASDs than the chemicals are.

HazelAngel · Jun 27, 2008

Ahh, soz if I got the story rong there Sabertooth but is there anything we can do about it to stop it?? Its absolutly discusting, using the bodies of poor but dead victims of abortion to create vaccines. If there is anything to do anything about it I will try to help as much as possible

HazelAngel · Jun 27, 2008

If it was my aborted child I wouldnt want that to happen to them and Sabertooth I am glad I live in NZ, we NZlanders dont do it to children who are aborted and I reccon it should b stopped immediatly before it gets out of hand If I ever had kids I wouldnt want them to have a vaccine with the cells of dead and aborted children taken and given to them. Would u??

Sabertooth · Jun 27, 2008

HazelAngel said:
...If I ever had kids I wouldnt want them to have a vaccine with the cells of dead and aborted children taken and given to them. Would u??

That is what many of us, here in the States, object to. And, IIRC, American vaccines are exported to other countries, as well.

2scoops · Jun 27, 2008

Sabertooth said:
That is what many of us, here in the States, object to. And, IIRC, American vaccines are exported to other countries, as well.

There's other toxic crap in there as well, like the mercury. It makes me angry that if a parent refuses the vaccines, the CDC is trying to approve the docs to send a letter to the parents, stating the doc can longer treat the child for anything, unless they get the vacines.

Sabertooth · Jun 27, 2008

2scoops said:
There's other toxic crap in there as well, like the mercury...

That's what I referred to in an earlier post known as thimerosal. It is also known as Merthiolate.

I have a theory that we, on the spectrum, compensate by using parts of our brain that NTs do not regularly use. If theirs get damaged, they don't miss it or even notice. If ours get damaged, it shows up as lower functioning autism. We should be demanding that drug approval should include extra testing for those of us on the spectrum, like they do for women who are nursing or pregnant.

gracechick · Jul 1, 2008

My baby is 34 months and has had some of her immunizations, but I've been concerned about it. My sisters are in medicine and told me to not be pressured to get the 5 or 6 recommended per visit!

What website would be helpful for me to check out this issue as dh and myself are both have ADD and I have other disorders. I am truely praying she will not develop much of the problems we have seen.

Angeldove97 · Jul 1, 2008

gracechick said:
My baby is 34 months and has had some of her immunizations, but I've been concerned about it. My sisters are in medicine and told me to not be pressured to get the 5 or 6 recommended per visit!

What website would be helpful for me to check out this issue as dh and myself are both have ADD and I have other disorders. I am truely praying she will not develop much of the problems we have seen.

I wouldn't worry too much about immunizations--- there is an idea that there may be a connection, but there isn't much research and data to back up that theory. Considering that many many many children receive these immunizations (and have been for decades now), there usually has to be a few factors for a child to "get" autism.

Be careful with what sites you research as well--- some may have misleading information or out-dated info. I would suggest you contacting some specialists in the area (or even educators/special education teachers) and asking them the best resources to use.

This is a wonderful forum site for Educators, but we do have Parents at the site as well--- you could ask some questions in this forum for Special Education: http://forums.atozteacherstuff.com/forumdisplay.php?f=17

ASA is a wonderful resource for more information on Autism, treatment and prevention: http://www.autism-society.org/site/PageServer

If you do notice symptoms of Autism in your child, bring your daughter to a specialist to be tested as soon as possible. We now have really good treatments to help many children with Autism, especially if they are diagnosed at an early age.

Timuchin · Jul 2, 2008

gracechick said:
My baby is 34 months and has had some of her immunizations, but I've been concerned about it. My sisters are in medicine and told me to not be pressured to get the 5 or 6 recommended per visit!

What website would be helpful for me to check out this issue as dh and myself are both have ADD and I have other disorders. I am truely praying she will not develop much of the problems we have seen.

By all means, stagger each of those immunizations by at least a week. A vaccination is an attack on the defense system. Bunching them together can overwhelm the defense system -- and allow the Timersol and aluminum to get through the defenses and harm your girl. She already got a dose of mercury from your fillings before she was born. Better safe than sorry.

Some of those vaccinations are given at adult-level doses. If they will give her child-sized doses without timersol (mercury) and aluminum, then okay.

You might join the "autism-mercury" group at yahoogroups.com and listen to their experiences. You might join the "adult-metal-chelation" group to find out how people are recovering from autism.

Now if your problem is Aspergers, it is genetic and not a mercury problem. No healing of that! But still watch out for vaccinations.

The giant drug companies have bought the CDC, the WHO, the AMA, the American Dental Association and countless other organizations to do advertising for them -- and keep them safe from scandal and lawsuits!

The Mennonites have a religious exemption from vaccinations and they have no cases of autism at all.

gracechick · Jul 2, 2008

Thank you this is most helpful. I am undiagnosed, but likely borderline AS. I do have PAs and other Anxiety disorders so I want to be informed. My baby girl seems to be somewhat ADD at this point, but I've read some outgrow this by school age.

Didn't know that about the conservative Menno's. My father came from a conservative background. My Grandparents wore plainclothes till they went to be with Jesus. Austism was not common in his generation I believe. If that doesn't scream poisons coming from modern life I don't know what does.

I agree with my sisters. It makes no sense to innudate their little systems with meds the minute they are born and barely start walking. I still regret agreeing to her first shot in the hospital, but then again I was exhausted and not thinking clearly.

*My sister did say that in the Dr.'s office they push the number, bcause they want to be certain the shots are followed. I believe it's the insurance companies pressuring parents to have less visits as well.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jul 2, 2008

is everyone's formatiing messing up? - the lines don't wrap
on this thread (other threads been doin okay today)
...
anyhow,
I learned in p-school that they don't have any proof at all
that manmade chemicals when put in the body in any
way help anybody !!! (no studies !!!)
go ask, as I did for years... there is simple no study
nor proof that manmade junk works.
(and it's all, almost, junk; there IS a lot of PROOF
to that)
so just keep searching for the truth and don't
give in to what man or parents or neighbors tell
you to do.
note that the Amish have no instances of autism, none,
and it's reason is because they get NO SHOTS;
note that the Amish also are not harmed by disease to
the extent and danger that the shots cause in those
who get them (it IS all about MONEY; check the history)
...
EDUCATE YOURSELF, email if you need the titles of books
and so on; the proof is extensive and simple.
email because it is technically against the rules.
I won't reply much or any in forums online nor pms
which are censored.

Timuchin · Jul 4, 2008

My mistake; I meant the Amish, not the Mennonites.

2scoops · Jul 5, 2008

gracechick said:
My baby is 34 months and has had some of her immunizations, but I've been concerned about it. My sisters are in medicine and told me to not be pressured to get the 5 or 6 recommended per visit!

What website would be helpful for me to check out this issue as dh and myself are both have ADD and I have other disorders. I am truely praying she will not develop much of the problems we have seen.

You can check out mercurypoisoned.com, www.noamalgam.com. If you believe you may be toxic, Boyd Haley, PH.d chemist has created a super antioxidant that is supposed to remove mercury 500 times better than anything out on the market, like DMSA, DMPS, ALA, EDTA, etc. His product was just approved by the FDA and should be available to sell by next week. If your interested, I'll post it as soon as I hear where it will be sold.

2scoops · Jul 5, 2008

Angeldove97 said:
I wouldn't worry too much about immunizations--- there is an idea that there may be a connection, but there isn't much research and data to back up that theory. Considering that many many many children receive these immunizations (and have been for decades now), there usually has to be a few factors for a child to "get" autism.

Be careful with what sites you research as well--- some may have misleading information or out-dated info. I would suggest you contacting some specialists in the area (or even educators/special education teachers) and asking them the best resources to use.

This is a wonderful forum site for Educators, but we do have Parents at the site as well--- you could ask some questions in this forum for Special Education: http://forums.atozteacherstuff.com/forumdisplay.php?f=17

ASA is a wonderful resource for more information on Autism, treatment and prevention: http://www.autism-society.org/site/PageServer

If you do notice symptoms of Autism in your child, bring your daughter to a specialist to be tested as soon as possible. We now have really good treatments to help many children with Autism, especially if they are diagnosed at an early age.

Actually there were studies done that linked thimerosal to autism. David Kirby, Boyd Haley, Andrew Cutler, Dr. Butthar, etc. Plus, your can't refute the thousands of parents stating their child was fine until receiving multiple shots in one day.

Another logical thing to do would be to study the Amish, since they do not vaccinate AS much as the regular population. Oh wait, that has been done. Findings were only 3 austistic children, 2 of which were adopted and had all ready received vaccines. Isn't it a coincidence that autism rates went up in the early 90's when more vaccines were introduced?

Sabertooth · Jul 5, 2008

While I believe that thimerosal can be contributing factor, there are places where it has been greatly reduced or removed altogether and they still have high rates of autism. This would mean that thimerosal is not the sole contributor to this condition. It may just be the "straw that broke the camel's back."

If my theory holds true, lower functioning autism is a brain-damaged form of Asperger's, which has always been in the gene pool. Since the configuration of the NT brain is apparently different than ours, they could be equally brain-damaged in the same areas and never notice because they don't rely on those portions like we do.

It is most likely that the Amish have their share of Aspies, but, if they are not brain-damaged, there are more differences in their society besides the lack of thimerosal & immunizations. And since none of these reversions occur later in childhood, adolescence or adulthood, there only seems to be a small window of vulnerability to study.

HazelAngel · Jul 5, 2008

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