Authority and Power- Exousia and Dunamis

[TimothyJorgensen]

Greetings everyone- I was doing some searching and came across this closed thread .christianforums .com /t1469008, and even though it was closed, I wanted to add something beneficial for the readers if this is ok.

I meet many who wonder how the power of God operates through a believer. Why one individual testifies how the power of God moves like this and another person says the power of God moves like that... what is true? What about feeling the power of God, or lack of feeling the power of God as you exercise it? What about the differences in the types of miracles- what kind of power causes what?

I put together a free Study Guide download will give you the NT scriptures as a basis for each of the main two types of power that can be exercised through the believer. I believe this will also help answer questions of how authority and the tangible power of God differ in their operation through a son of God, as well as their similarities.

I don't have enough posts yet to allow me to post a link to the study guide, but if you want more info and want to download the free pdf visit the website on my profile contact info- and click articles (Exousia and Dunamis Study Guide).

Be blessed-

Tim

 

[tturt]

I would be very interested in reading the material.

While attending a service over the weekend with the congregation singing, the anointing went from zero to a thousand in a matter of a second. This is the only way I know to put this into words because I find some spiritual things very difficult to express appropriately. I've been in lots of services where it happened but not to the level it was in this service (or not that I was aware of). Anyway, I wondered why this had happened. A couple of seconds later, the camera went back to the front of the church and the guest speaker had come onto the platform. This person isn't perfect and I sure don't mean to elevate him. Just trying to understand.

Later I recalled about those attending Marie Woodworth Etter's meetings in the early 1900's would be slain in the spirit before they came inside the buildings and other reports including salvation experienced in the local areas. She was an extremely humble believer. The Walsh revival impacted the people in the local communities without them attending the services.

 

[TimothyJorgensen]

That is an interesting experience! There are probably a number of factors involved. The only key that I could see from your message was the worship factor- where everyone seemed to be engaged with their whole beings. This is a surefire way of releasing the corporate grace where the line between the natural and spiritual realm becomes blurred.

For the study guide- try the website in my signature below?

Be blessed

 

[pdudgeon]

one thing about spiritual power---the power itself is neutral.

Both God and satan exercize spiritual power.
the difference between the two is all contained in the will.

When God exercizes spiritual power, it acts according to His perfect will and brings life, light, freedom, understanding, and blessing.

When satan exercizes his power it acts according to his demented will, and results in lies, deceit, destruction, and death.

 

[HolySpiritWOF]

one thing about spiritual power---the power itself is neutral.

Both God and satan exercize spiritual power.
the difference between the two is all contained in the will.

When God exercizes spiritual power, it acts according to His perfect will and brings life, light, freedom, understanding, and blessing.

When satan exercizes his power it acts according to his demented will, and results in lies, deceit, destruction, and death.

and satan's power is really tricking humans to use their GOD-given ability to create with the words of their mouths.....
he manipulates people into doing and saying his will...... he has no power of his own to create anything.....
he's not a very powerful being.... he is just a very tricky sneaky lying twisting bullying manipulator.....
and whatever power he usurped from adam JESUS took back from him by the CROSS.....
and whatever kind of power he still has JESUS said we have been given power over all the power of the devil..... LK10:19.... MT10:1

humans are the only creation of GOD that can create like GOD..... we are the only ones made in GOD'S image.....

satan cannot create anything..... angels were never given that ablitity..... no other created being can..... only GOD and humans.....

there is no record of satan ever saying "xxxxxxx" and "xxxxxxxx" coming to pass..... but there are records of GOD and humans creating by the words of their mouth..... and also the promise of MK 11:23.....

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

humans are the only creation of GOD that can create like GOD..... we are the only ones made in GOD'S image.....

..... but there are records of GOD and humans creating by the words of their mouth..... and also the promise of MK 11:23.....

Careful here...

Mar 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. 24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.


1Jn 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
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Our "saying" is the use of the power God has given us to use, the creative power of His Word. We have authority to use it; it is still His power, His creative force. When we command a thing, or ask of God, we know from these scriptures that He hears us and that we can have what we desire (because He will give it to us). When we command a thing, He has our back. When we take authority over the enemy, he flees not because we said so, but because of our identity in Christ; he flees because of Christ in us. The petitions we desire, we desire of Him (v15).

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
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We don't create the things not seen, we are given faith as the substance and as the evidence that they are ours. If they need created, God will create them; we, using our faith, will bring them to manifestation.

From Charles Capps, "The Tongue: A Creative Force":

Receive from God
Put yourself in a position to receive God's best for you by speaking His Word. God's creative power is still just as it was in the beginning of time, when He stood there and said, "Light -- be," and light was. His Word spoken from your mouth and conceived in your heart becomes a spiritual force releasing His ability within you.

Creative power in you
Man was created in the image of God and His likeness. Learn to speak His faith-filled words to your situation and see your life transformed. Allow God's creative power to flow from you.

-- Charles Capps, "The Tongue: A Creative Force" (paperback)
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[now faith]

Bless god I think I found my own kind. Is wonderful to read such sound doctrine.

 

[HolySpiritWOF]

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[pk4yahweh]

So Im guessing the issue you are bringing up Bob, is the difference between whether we actually DO the creating by what we speak - as opposed to whether by what we speak, we simply AGREE WITH the creative power that is already present?

Am I correct on your point here?

 

[pdudgeon]

I'm on the side of agreeing with God on what He has for our provision and blessing.

Whatever He has that is good for us I'm all in favor of accepting.

 

[pdudgeon]

Bless god I think I found my own kind. Is wonderful to read such sound doctrine.

WELCOME HOME!

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

Bless god I think I found my own kind. Is wonderful to read such sound doctrine.

Glad to have you here!! That sounds like a statement that I made some 9 years ago when I finally walked into a Word/Faith church after wondering why churches didn't preach the bible accurately!!

Awesome!!! (now just make a tweak to your icon, and you're all set! )

Welcome!!!

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

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In the comic pages "*" isn't good. You can disagree and say whatever you want. I can take it. And I might learn something too.

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

So Im guessing the issue you are bringing up Bob, is the difference between whether we actually DO the creating by what we speak - as opposed to whether by what we speak, we simply AGREE WITH the creative power that is already present?

Am I correct on your point here?

Let's open the door to another controversial area: we are gods, not God. As gods, we are rulers and judges (Psalm 82:6; John 10:34) -- Hebrew 'ĕlôhıym and Greek theos. rulers, judges, magistrates, very godly. We do not create [from nothing]. (Nor can the devil, just to throw that in for free -- but if I have to make another parenthetical, I'm charging for it. )

But we do have God's promises. And there are many things that DO NOT EXIST in the physical, but can be manifested in the physical. For instance, if one steps out of the blessing and sickness comes on him one can overcome the sickness in a manner that is not understandable in the physical (some say miracle, I say manifestation; miracles occur to those who don't know their promises, manifestations occur to those who do and use them, but I won't argue this split hair -- oops, ok, that's for free too ).

Healing was provided in the atonement and is "on the table" in the spiritual. We may get sick, but if we stand on our promises, we can bring into the visible what is currently in the invisible. And this applies to all aspects of our prosperity.

So in my long winded way, I'm saying yes to your post.

 

[now faith]

Amen to all its wonderfull to here such positive words. For years all i herd was the gifts are gone not for today a witness for the jews of that day when that which is perfect has come is the bible when it was complete no more gifts. I never belived it i would question how they arrived at that logic they would twist and quickly move on. Our church now belives in spirt filled and the gifts bless god do any of you have information on toungs? We belive in prayer lanuage but do not practice in church in line with Pauls teaching on them

 

[KM Richards]

For years all i herd was the gifts are gone not for today a witness for the jews of that day when that which is perfect has come is the bible when it was complete no more gifts.

That just means they weren't walking in LOVE, as was the case not that long after Paul left, going forward....

1 Corinthians 13:8
Love never fails: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away...

Then it goes on to say...

1 Corinthians 14:1
Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

God doesn't take away spiritual gifts...and then tell us to desire them...only a demonized, twisted mind would come up with that garbage and that's exactly what mainstream religion teaches, along with blending islam and Christianity (satan's latest little trick that is deceiving many Christians kinda like a spiritual version of Rodney King's..."can't we all just get along?" quote)

When the Church quit walking in love...yes, the spiritual gifts began to cease...but not because God took them away...it was because people quit walking in the Word of Love, especially once the dark ages came and people didn't have access to the Bible! (So, God had the printing press invented!)

A gigantic part of walking in love is walking in God's promises, as this is the Word of Love Himself (God is Love)...which explains why many churches and Christians today have no power in their lives.

Anytime we can take what God says and walk in it, we're obviously better off than following cold, dead religion....which is very, very boring...

 

[now faith]

To all my new friends, a word about my posts sometimes I use my cell to post with a small key board my vision and big fingers their may be errors. Hopefully you can read through this glad to be here tank you lol

 

[HolySpiritWOF]

Amen to all its wonderfull to here such positive words. For years all i herd was the gifts are gone not for today a witness for the jews of that day when that which is perfect has come is the bible when it was complete no more gifts. I never belived it i would question how they arrived at that logic they would twist and quickly move on. Our church now belives in spirt filled and the gifts bless god do any of you have information on toungs? We belive in prayer lanuage but do not practice in church in line with Pauls teaching on them

one thing wof believe is that we take the BIBLE literally..... so what ever scripture says..... just do it as it is written.... and if in doubt ask the HOLY SPIRIT to help you understand..... HE will lead and guide you into all truth......

actually constant WORD and constant communication with the HOLY SPIRIT will give you the most awesome faith adventure..... GOD loves you and wants all of you..... and HE gives you ALL of HIMSELF..... HE is AWESOME.....

tongues is speaking to GOD....
tongues is speaking mysteries......
tongues is the HOLY SPIRIT giving utterance.....
tongues is the HOLY SPIRIT making intercession for / through us....
tongues builds us up in our most holy faith.... Jude 20
tongues can also be the public worship gift where it is interpreted and is considered equal to public prophesy.....

this is just off the top of my head.....

probably anything ke hagin writes would be good about tongues.....
dave roberson isn't wof but his teaching on tongues blessed me.....
i don't know of anyone else.....

i'll try to find the scriptures for the above statements..... GOD bless you now faith..... i know how you feel..... i was thrilled to find the wof forum 7 months ago..... i have been really blessed by the awesome believers that fellowship here.....

 

[now faith]

I believe that faith is a physical power that exists in both realms heaven and earth. It was created by god and its power is unlimted in less he chooses to stop it the bible states the foundations of the world were created by it. Gods speaks the earth into existance. When we have faith in god it pleases him because faith is unconditional belief faith is a gift from god a power to harness for his glory poured out through need in tribulation given to his purpose manifested by the holy spirit. The amount we have is conditional based on our purpose in our hearts. Simply put if were believing for carnl reasons and are of christ we know it we are convicted in our hearts to please god..so much of the word is deadcated to teaching about faith I believe its a force like gravity it exist but we can't see it. That's a cliche but true. Without faith it is impossible to please him. My personal experience is faith has never failed me my prayers are always answered bless god

 

[tturt]

Reading yesterday about how Abraham first believed Yahweh's promises then his faith grew. Rom 4:20

Have you heard someone say the amount of authority that operates in the believer's life is based on how much of their lives have been surrendered to Yahweh? To me this statement is true because when we believe His promises, it has caused a renewing of our minds that includes loving others. Is this the reason why we aren't seeing more miracles and healing - the church, as a group, hasn't renewed our minds?

Andrew Wommack tv program today is "You've Already Got It!"