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Parenting is parenting... pretending having rules and enforcing those rules is a bad thing is utterly ridiculous. Pretending that every situation requires the parent to explain their position until the child understands is insane. Sitting around debating with a three year old isn't being a parent.

I explained once to my children because they had a right to know.... but that was it. There was no ensuing debate on why, my explanation was all they got. Then they were required to follow my rules as I was the parent. In some situations they didn't need a reason to listen to me, because in some situations the reason was life or death for us so obeying was paramount.

I loved my kids, never raised a hand to them but I did always enforce the rules. Rules I created for their safety.

I don't need anyone telling me how to parent.. I don't need anyone telling me I should debate with my three year old grandchild instead of telling them they will get hurt if they don't move and then taking them by the hand and getting them away from a hot stove before they burn themselves.

The people in life no one should listen to on parenting are people who don't even have children.

I don't care what rules people are railing against today because what these non parents want is to get all our children taken away to become wards of the state so they can attempt to create their utopian society by usurping everyone's rights but their own and raising up our children they way they see fit.

I agree with some of what you say and I don't begin to imagine that when a person gives advice, everyone will follow that advice. I don't believe in abusing children physically or verbally. The only Utopia will be with God surrounded by those who love and willingly obey Him.

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A wise man will hear and increase in learning, And a man of understanding will acquire wise counsel,

God bless!
 
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I agree with some of what you say and I don't begin to imagine that when a person gives advice, everyone will follow that advice. I don't believe in abusing children physically or verbally. The only Utopia will be with God surrounded by those who love and willingly obey Him.

Proverbs 1:5
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God bless!

I'm not talking about child abuse either verbal or physical.. I can't imagine anyone who thinks child abuse is positive.

But let's face it, carrying a child out of a store instead of allowing a fit to be thrown in an isle is now abuse these days.. people have been falsely accusing parents of abuse my entire life.
 
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I'm not talking about child abuse either verbal or physical.. I can't imagine anyone who thinks child abuse is positive.

But let's face it, carrying a child out of a store instead of allowing a fit to be thrown in an isle is now abuse these days.. people have been falsely accusing parents of abuse my entire life.

Life is challenging!!! I think a parent should carry an unruly child out of the store! Thankfully, I never had to.
 
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This is kind of the extreme... What if they are say..." but why....do I have to do my math homework?...I am not going to need algebra in my "real life"". Telling your child to "Quit procrastinating and do your homework. I don't have time to have this argument every night." ("shut up is rude and not authoritarian). Even if they may not need advanced algebra to be a nurse. They need good overall grades to get into nursing school.

I don't know about nursing, but even if they go into the building trades--and if they actually want to know what they're doing--they will use a heck of a lot of algebra. Plane geometery, too.

I suspect there are some quadratic equations in nursing.
 
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Why do they not accept this argument?

Because they do not know and understand all the premises of the argument, and will likely not accept them when told.

Much as you have been doing in this thread.

Despite the fact that you have zero actual parenting experience and zero real knowledge of dealing with extremely immature humans, you reject out of hand all premises of the argument given to you by people who have such experience.

That is precisely what children do.

Mature humans recognize that they don't know all the facts, and wise ones consider information provided by people who have been in a position to have gathered that information first-hand.
 
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So I came across a Quirk pocket book today: "Stuff Every Mom Should Know" by Heather Gibbs Flett and Whitney Moss. I was reading through it, to make sure it was a worthy gift, and I have decided that I can't endorse it or allow it to influence some person's mother.

Anyhow, the particular issue that I would like to discuss with people that can help me work it out, is from page 49: Cheat Sheet of Parenting Philosophies and Trends.

There is a paragraph there with the title "Authoritarian parenting", and this is what it says:

The parent is the leader, makes decisions, and does not need to rationalize to the child. This style of parenting earned media attention under "Tiger Mom". (Even if you feel you fall far outside this realm, know that at some point we all are driven to say "Because I said so!").

Now, I am not a parent, so I can only imagine the extent of the test of patience that it is. I have all the patience in the world for children, and I've never ended up in that situation where they have driven me to impatience. But I have plenty of experience on the receiving end of the impatience, and even still I have to deal with the likes of them in the present day, people with power who have this mentality that they don't need to rationalize their decisions to me.

Now, I find this is always aptly described as arrogant and abusive. I genuinely do not understand how a person could be comfortable with themselves as being such a person.

To me, "Because I said so" is always a failure and it can only be because they do not like the answer that they would give when they are pressed to explain themselves .. it would reveal that they are making the wrong judgement.

A child, of course, is very discerning and pure in their judgements, and where something doesn't make sense to them, they are entitled by nature to have it explained to them. So puts the child in a position where they feel that the parent is being mean, that they do not understand the child's point of view, and that they don't really care if the child is happy with their decision or not. They are also helpless because the parent is like a giant to them, and they aren't so good at expressing themselves.

It isn't the nature of love, that is compassionate, patient, kind and gentle, open to reason and agreement, loving the truth etc. It's just a heart that really doesn't think of the child as anything more than a thing to be managed.

It breaks my heart when I see children treated that way, and I just can't bear to let it happen in front of me. If I could run away from it I would, but these are children, and when this happens in front of me, I need to intervene for them .. otherwise, what kind of world has it become?

There has been a few occasions where I have had to do that, notably when parents have made their children cry in public, and although I carry in no judgement against the parent and always approach the child first to find out what's wrong and what I can do to help them be happy again, the parents immediately rise up against me.

To me it just seems that the world is going to hell because they are doing whatever they want with no concern for what is right and wrong .. and these are children who are crying for justice and begging to understand why it is wrong to do what they think is ok, and they're getting told to just shut up and do what they're told. .. and now I have just found out that not only is the world failing to bring justice for the children, it it is even going so far as to teach them that it is a valid parenting style!!

.. so, yeah, if there's anyone out there who has something for me that can help, it won't go amiss. Everyone who thinks it's OK to treat children this way, go jump in a lake and stay well away from me.
You obviously don't have any strong willed children.
 
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I think a parent should carry an unruly child out of the store! Thankfully, I never had to.

at library when child was 2 or 3 and didn't want to leave

finally got her headed towards the door and she just plopped down at the door entrance and a couple people smiled and stepped around her to come into library
(bit embarrassing)

wasn't going to pick her up and make her cry so I waited
didn't go back to library for a while, lol

when we did go back, our library has a great kid's section with toys/dollhouse so she could play while I picked out kids books nearby
 
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at library when child was 2 or 3 and didn't want to leave

finally got her headed towards the door and she just plopped down at the door entrance and a couple people smiled and stepped around her to come into library
(bit embarrassing)

wasn't going to pick her up and make her cry so I waited
didn't go back to library for a while, lol

when we did go back, our library has a great kid's section with toys/dollhouse so she could play while I picked out kids books nearby

There are times when a parent gets a phone call (cell phone) that the older sibling is very ill and needs to be picked up at school, in which case you pick up the toddler and take her to the car regardless of screams! But I probably would have taken her to the car anyway. That would be a rule that she can get used to.
 
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To me, "Because I said so" is always a failure and it can only be because they do not like the answer that they would give when they are pressed to explain themselves .. it would reveal that they are making the wrong judgement.

How would you deal with a child who is asking for knowledge that it would not be appropriate for them to have. E.g. they want to know why somoeone is in hospital (and it's for an operation that person would not want discussed with a small child) or where their friend's daddy is (he's been sent to prison). I'm sure if you know anything about small children, you'll know that answering the hospital question, for example, with 'Auntie is in hospital to get better' will result in 'what's wrong with her?' Very young children will keep asking and asking and asking...

I think another concern with the 'never demand, always explain' approach is that it can cause problems to those around you. I have several times experienced a child running out of control in public, kicking and hitting at people they don't know because mummy or daddy won't buy them a toy they want, while the parent just stands there saying something like "darling, I understand you are feeling upset. I don't have any money to buy you that toy. I'm so sorry. Please tell me how I can make you feel better." I find it a little worrying that some parents are so worried about damaging their child's ego by physically removing them from the situation, that they will let the child inflict physical damage on others!
 
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Because they do not know and understand all the premises of the argument, and will likely not accept them when told.

Much as you have been doing in this thread.

Despite the fact that you have zero actual parenting experience and zero real knowledge of dealing with extremely immature humans, you reject out of hand all premises of the argument given to you by people who have such experience.

That is precisely what children do.

Mature humans recognize that they don't know all the facts, and wise ones consider information provided by people who have been in a position to have gathered that information first-hand.
You are wrong about this. I have good reasons to reject the arguments of those in this thread who are only arguing. If you had valid points I would agree with them. You have your place to go, I told you that in the OP.
 
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You obviously don't have any strong willed children.
I have love though. This is heartbreaking to see, how can you do this to a child? Liars. That's all it is. When the child says "I don't want to", parents should say "why not? .. let me help you change your mind" .. but nah they just don't care, strangle them, shake the life out of them, punch them in the guts.. go on. Your children will curse you to your face.
 
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How would you deal with a child who is asking for knowledge that it would not be appropriate for them to have. E.g. they want to know why somoeone is in hospital (and it's for an operation that person would not want discussed with a small child) or where their friend's daddy is (he's been sent to prison). I'm sure if you know anything about small children, you'll know that answering the hospital question, for example, with 'Auntie is in hospital to get better' will result in 'what's wrong with her?' Very young children will keep asking and asking and asking...
I have no worries at all. There is a way to be gracious and truthful, and to satisfy the child's curiosity by using language that is appropriate for them.
I think another concern with the 'never demand, always explain' approach is that it can cause problems to those around you. I have several times experienced a child running out of control in public, kicking and hitting at people they don't know because mummy or daddy won't buy them a toy they want, while the parent just stands there saying something like "darling, I understand you are feeling upset. I don't have any money to buy you that toy. I'm so sorry. Please tell me how I can make you feel better." I find it a little worrying that some parents are so worried about damaging their child's ego by physically removing them from the situation, that they will let the child inflict physical damage on others!
I don't have any money to buy you that toy. I'm so sorry. <<< that was a lie! .. the parent's sin that inflicted the child who was innocent, has put a demon in the child.

:weeping: Lord, help the children! .. save them from the liars!
 
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because they had a right to know.... but that was it.
This is it. They have a right. I am only concerned with those who deny the child's right to knowledge. The parents have the role of teaching the children .. and the children have that entitlement. It sounds like you shouldn't be offended by what I have said.. maybe it's because you have never seen my smile..

I should debate with my three year old grandchild instead of telling them they will get hurt if they don't move and then taking them by the hand and getting them away from a hot stove before they burn themselves.
I said teach, while you have said debate. Do you understand why you have read me wrong?
 
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Adam and Eve were good, but they became disobedient. Did God do something wrong?

You see, I'm opposed to authoritarian parenting, but I can't go around condemning every parent who doesn't understand the difference between that and authoritative parenting. I invite parents to learn the difference. I'm not a dictator.
Thank you. I am looking forward to uncovering a good understanding of the difference between discipline and punishment.. if you don't mind. I have enjoyed your contributions, even though RDKirk has made you think the opposite of me. :wave:
 
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