Australia votes, yes, or no. Poor show.

[Armoured]

Actually it is the consequences of legalised same sex marriage.

In another country that has legalised same sex marriage the Swedish government has forced the Church of Sweden to conduct gay marriages:
Sweden's Prime Minister says no priest working for the Church of Sweden should be allowed to refuse to wed same-sex couples.
Swedish Prime Minister: Priests Should Be Forced to Perform Same-Sex Weddings

In addition if one speaks out of not supporting same sex couples that adopt children means you can loose your job as this case in the UK suggests:
AChristian magistrate who lost his job and then his role as an NHS director for speaking out against adoption by same-sex parents will this week sue NHS bosses claiming political correctness can prevent Christians holding public posts.

Richard Page was suspended as an NHS Trust director after he claimed it was better for a child to be brought up by both a man and a woman.

Kent and Medway NHS and Social Care Partnership Trust (KMPT) claimed his stance “undermined” the confidence of staff, particularly lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender employees.
Christian magistrate in gay adoption row set for legal battle with 0NHS bosses

In a world that is politically correct you need to be careful of what you state as you can loose your job.

Has Sweden actually forced anyone to perform same sex marriages, or is it just some guy's opinion that they should? Also, the name of the Church in question should give you a clue... Australia doesn't have a national Church.

 

[Paidiske]

Agreed. An Established church can be dictated to by government, but our constitution forbids having an Established church, which means that we don't have that level of government control.

And the guy working for the NHS? Any employee can expect to be disciplined if they undermine their employer in public. If you have an ethical issue within your employment there are ways of handling that; but expecting to be able to cause problems for your employer's public image is unreasonable.

 

[Armoured]

Agreed. An Established church can be dictated to by government, but our constitution forbids having an Established church, which means that we don't have that level of government control.

I'm often correct in what I say, yet people always seem surprised

 

[Paidiske]

One thing I've discovered in this debate is that lots of people actually don't understand current Australian law around marriage, anti-discrimination, religious freedom and so on. So they don't really understand what the proposed changes could and could not mean, legally.

If nothing else I guess many people have had a bit of a crash course on that side of things!

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

What does the above mean exactly?

Sorry for my late reply, I did not see a notice of a reply. The LNP is writing into the yes vote rights for the people who could be effected by a Yes win. I am not sure what though. It should have already been written before hand and widely read.

Schools and parents should have rights and freedoms to use older wordings like husband and wife and they should be able to protest as before, if they do not want to be socially engineered.

Private schools need to retain the right to choose their staff and curriculum. It has been attacked before.

Freedom of speech and the private ballot go hand in hand, so we freely choose who we elect.

A person being fired for holding a different view should take them to court so they can return to work. The right should be given.

 

[mindlight]

My country has had marriage equality for a bit now, and it hasn't changed anything except that gays can marry other gays if they want.

It doesn't really make sense to stop people from being able to be married just because you, as an individual, don't want them to. I don't like vanilla but that doesn't mean I won't let other people eat it.

I have no problem with people liking and choosing alternate things to myself. But institutionalising acceptance of gay union in law is effectively the state directly sanctioning and affirming sin. Also it is a change in the legal definition of marriage to one that does not work and opens up the possibility of all sorts of union which are deeply immoral. Why cannot you marry your cat for instance if that is what you want and you really love your cat. Why cannot you have two wives if you love both of them or two husbands for that matter. By liberalising the definition of marriage we are opening up a can of maggots.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

I have no problem with people liking and choosing alternate things to myself. But institutionalising acceptance of gay union in law is effectively the state directly sanctioning and affirming sin. Also it is a change in the legal definition of marriage to one that does not work and opens up the possibility of all sorts of union which are deeply immoral. Why cannot you marry your cat for instance if that is what you want and you really love your cat. Why cannot you have two wives if you love both of them or two husbands for that matter. By liberalising the definition of marriage we are opening up a can of maggots.

When a senator mentioned people marrying animals in parliament he was laughed off. I read that they were closing down the last animal brothel in Denmark some years back. At this time not long after, inappropriate behavior with animals is being legalized in Canada, so long as it does not involve penetration.
Canada has just ruled that most inappropriate behavior with animals is legal

 

[Audacious]

I have no problem with people liking and choosing alternate things to myself. But institutionalising acceptance of gay union in law is effectively the state directly sanctioning and affirming sin. Also it is a change in the legal definition of marriage to one that does not work and opens up the possibility of all sorts of union which are deeply immoral. Why cannot you marry your cat for instance if that is what you want and you really love your cat. Why cannot you have two wives if you love both of them or two husbands for that matter. By liberalising the definition of marriage we are opening up a can of maggots.

You do realize that the government's definition of marriage and Christianity's definition of marriage aren't at all the same thing, right? Or at least, they don't have to be.

Governments affirm sin all of the time (for example: smoking tobacco is legal), but that doesn't mean that Christians have to involve themselves in it or campaign for its illegality.

Edit: Also, you can't marry animals or children or inanimate objects because those things cannot consent. Whereas two healthy, able-minded adults can.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

It would be better if there were options like De Facto, Traditional marriage and contemporary marriage. The latter new, and for LGBTI. And rights given to allow traditions like referring to a husband or wife, or boy or girl, to persist and to be protected. And in regards to persecution, the right to be a bigot.

 

[disciple1]

Australia is voting yes or no to same sex marriage. Malcolm Turnbull set it up, and I am disappointed. The No means no change, the Yes means change but it is not spelled out as to what and how... In 1999 Malcolm took us to vote either for the monarch or a new republic model for Australia. He was behind the yes vote and their was a clearly stated model. The press supported the yes vote. The no vote won by about 5% over the yes.

I am disappointed that the yes vote for SSM is unclear as to the what and how of this new system that looks to be entering into action. Malcolm is not behind the change, maybe that is why there is the lack of enthusiasm. But poor show!

Please pray for your country and Australia, under our guardian angels. The angels see further being close to God. So that whatever the outcome, it the best possible. Our senators are only now writing what they will do if the yes vote wins. May God guide their hearts, minds and hands, in Jesus name, amen.

John chapter 8 verse 7
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

It matters to gay people, but it shouldn't matter to us unless we're hypocrites, 1 John chapter 1 verse 8 if anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.

It doesn't hurt a Christian either way only a hypocrite.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

John chapter 8 verse 7
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

It matters to gay people, but it shouldn't matter to us unless we're hypocrites, 1 John chapter 1 verse 8 if anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.

It doesn't hurt a Christian either way only a hypocrite.

Not sure what you are saying. Romans 1:24 - 2:4. Says we should not judge sinners. Salvation is for all of us. It is a discipline.

 

[redleghunter]

Edit: Also, you can't marry animals or children or inanimate objects because those things cannot consent. Whereas two healthy, able-minded adults can.

Apparently one can....

Man ‘marries’ laptop, sues for recognition, wedding cake

 

[redleghunter]

You do realize that the government's definition of marriage and Christianity's definition of marriage aren't at all the same thing, right? Or at least, they don't have to be.

Governments affirm sin all of the time (for example: smoking tobacco is legal), but that doesn't mean that Christians have to involve themselves in it or campaign for its illegality.

Edit: Also, you can't marry animals or children or inanimate objects because those things cannot consent. Whereas two healthy, able-minded adults can.

And this :
Chinese man 'marries' robot he built himself

 

[Audacious]

And this :
Chinese man 'marries' robot he built himself

I was talking about legally recognized marriages. Fun fact: robots can't consent (yet) and you can't marry one and get a tax break or anything.

 

[redleghunter]

I was talking about legally recognized marriages. Fun fact: robots can't consent (yet) and you can't marry one and get a tax break or anything.

The secular door is wide open.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...allenging-gay-marriage-mississippi/691170001/

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Contemporary marriage, does that include goats and children
or multiple partners?

No, only adults, persons.

 

[kiwimac]

We live in secular democracies. The days in which the church had the final say are long passed. In a secular democracy it is the JOB of the government to run the country according to values which are as inclusive as possible. So no one group / party can overpower the needs of another. The church can speak about sin and morality but it must not be in an official position to decide what is immoral or sinful for non-believers or any other group than their own people. We must not return to the Dark Ages.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

We live in secular democracies. The days in which the church had the final say are long passed. In a secular democracy it is the JOB of the government to run the country according to values which are as inclusive as possible. So no one group / party can overpower the needs of another. The church can speak about sin and morality but it must not be in an official position to decide what is immoral or sinful for non-believers or any other group than their own people. We must not return to the Dark Ages.

The church now is not a dark ages kind of church, if we were to rule, it would not be like 1600 again, there has been an enlightenment...

We have to hold a view of what is right and wrong among the outsiders and be wise.
Col 4:3 At the same time pray also for us, so that God will give us a good opportunity to preach his message about the secret of Christ. For that is why I am now in prison.
Col 4:4 Pray, then, that I may speak, as I should, in such a way as to make it clear.
Col 4:5 Be wise in the way you act toward those who are not believers, making good use of every opportunity you have.
Col 4:6 Your speech should always be pleasant and interesting, and you should know how to give the right answer to everyone. GNB

And please be polite to homosexuals, a lot of posts have been unkind.

We need to retain our rights as Christians in our sphere of authority and influence, we do well. We have been a light and the darkness comes from people who dislike our culture, but who are not from other countries. They want to change education, to distance the children from their parents and traditions, that are all Australian. That go back to military traditions and why we fought Nazism and Japanese Imperialism. And why we fought the cold war alongside the US.

There is separation of church and state, but from some of the churches there is light. The only real source of love and best source of justice balanced with mercy.

 

[fat wee robin]

John chapter 8 verse 7
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

It matters to gay people, but it shouldn't matter to us unless we're hypocrites, 1 John chapter 1 verse 8 if anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.

It doesn't hurt a Christian either way only a hypocrite.

WHY ARE YOU CHERRY PICKING -OR DID YOU JUST FORGET TO FINISH THE STORY ? "GO AND SIN NO MORE ", JESUS SAID ? SO HOMOSEXUALS MUST DO THAT ,GET HELP TO TO SO OR THE CONSEQUENCES WILL BE NOT NICE .

 

[Armoured]

IN CASE YOU HAVE NOT NOTICED? THIS IS A CHRISTIAN SITE . I NOT ONLY BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE BUILT IN LAWS TO CREATION BUT TO HOW MEN AND WOMEN ARE MADE FOR EACH OTHER SEXUALLY .
THE TERRIBLE IRONY IS THAT THE SO CALLED GREENS PROTECT NATURE FROM ADULTERATION (or so they say ),BUT DO NOT SEE THAT OUR SOCIETY DEVELOPED SO MUCH SINCE BANNING HOMOSEXUALITY FROM THE PUBLIC PLACES DURING THE RISE OF CHRISTIANITY .THE TRUE DARK AGES CAME BETWEEN THE FALL OF THE ROMAN AND GREEK EMPIRES AND THE RISE IN CHRISTIANITY .
SINCE THE COMING OF CHRIST IN THE AGE OF PISCES (the last age) ,HUMANITY HAS GROWN AND DEVELOPED ;WHEN HUMANITY ENDORSES SIN ON THE LEVEL IT IS NOW IT CORRUPTS EVERYTHING AROUND IT AND IS A SIGN OF GOING BACKWARDS ;

This is a Christian site, but Australia is a secular nation. Why should we make laws based on religious beliefs not everyone holds?

 

[Audacious]

You are judging gay people, most of whom have been molested, and I know of one that was molested by a church person and now is gay because of it.

While gay people are more likely to have been molested than straights, it's still a pretty small minority of gays. I'm bisexual and have never been molested, lol.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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