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jono1 said:the wraps moslem women wear on their heads are a middle east culture thing. it has nothing to do with being islamic. or so my religion teacher tells me.
Well Iron muslim, the originator of the post that sparked it all.Iron Lion said:He is completely wrong. All females are made to wear them in Islam. Most women have no problem in doin it either as to them its just following Gods laws.
Icystwolf said:The fact that the koran is ambigious, and any muslim can interperate it their own way, makes it indeed something to be afraid about.
Unlike the Bible where it clearly states, to love our enemies, the koran has vague descriptions of that. Hence it can be used in may other things...
But they believed in the abominated version of Jesus. Jesus is indeed the son of God, they believe something that is contrary to the Bible. What surprises me is how they mention Jesus, yet fail to mention the indepth theology of Christianity. This in my opinion was caused by heracy, and this idea spread through the trade routes and influenced mohummed.
How do we know that they're right?
Clearly Heretics must have influenced the koran, otherwise how would there be a distortion and huge contradiction to the four gospels which has existed long before the koran.
There is a book out called 'The Last Great Prophet' about Mohammed. When the Koran came into being, Christianity was being divided into warring sects. The Catholic church was reponsible for the Crusades who would go out to other lands and mercilessly kill others whom they felt had strayed from their doctrines.
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Crashedman....are you ok? If your having doubts and you feel like converting to islam, PM me and I'll take some time to talk to you, mend somethings that might be in tangle.
Icystwolf said:Allah is not God...
Allah is the Abomination of God because Islam boxes God in, into human logic.
Crashedman, I'm still doubting you, do you read the Bible much?
Yes.
So far, I've been hearing your thoughts that are demoralising to this forum.
I would like to hear your theology....
My theology consists of these things:
1) Nothing that God creates is shameful or indecent.
2) We should universally outlaw sacrificing animals for our sins or salvation since Jesus Christ was meant to have been the ultimate sacrifice.
3) We are all ONE.
4) We can choose how we feel about everything. It is possible to despair of someone's birth as much as we can rejoice in someone's death.
5) Noisy religion is for those who are scared of going to hell, quiet spirituality is for those who have been there.
6) One bad apple don't ruin it for the rest.
Crashedman
Bevlina said:Islam...moslem...what IS the difference between those two? Which of the two religions did the cowards who flattened the twin towers belong to?
Moslems are known cowards. Religion of peace??? hahahaha....lol !
I remember what they did to the pretty Australian girls. Their cowardly acts of violence by moving in gangs against helpless girls who never harmed them.
I was wondering if anyone has ever seen on TV or heard of a muslim Firefighter in Australia?
Then we have these muslim so called "refugees" who feed their faces with MacDonald's food, then board rickety boats to Australia in order to sneak into our country. To protect themselves they bring their children as lures hoping the kids will find their way into Aussie hearts and therefore...their adult selves. NO WAY!! Not with this Aussie.
To anyone who is antichrist...I simply cannot be bothered.
I think they get paid to do it! At least...that's what we Aussies reckon.
Well! You've had a great little time there ripping me to pieces haven't you Marissa!Marissa said:The intolerance in this thread is mindboggling.
I know this is off-topic but I have to say this.
If you have such little knowledge of Islam why are you in here sharing an opinion? Without knowledge you can't have an opinion worth contributing.
How can you judge that muslims are the anti-christ, that muslims want to take over the world, that they come in Australia solely to steal our Macca's burgers when you don't even know what religion they actually follow? Must less anything about that religion.
You shouldn't believe everything Kerry Packer tells you Bevlina. He's got as much of an agenda as any Muslim does.
Quite a contradictory statement there. If Islam isn't a religion of peace, how can they all be cowards? You can't have both.
Lets bring out the stereotypes. You mentioned 9/11 a few times. These men gave up their lives to train for their actions, they boarded planes, they hi-jacked them and then they flew them into building. Their actions were wrong and unintelligent, but cowardly? Not in the slightest. That takes bravery.
I remember what the Anglican priest at the school down the road did two dozen young boys in his care. I guess I best hate all Anglicans because if some are doing, all of them must at least support it. Right?
Doesn't sound like an unjust hate filled stereo-type to me. [/sarcasm]
No, but I havne't seen on Tv or heard of a Christian Firefighter either. It's simply not news quality material. I don't assume from that there are Christian firefighters however. Nor do I assume there aren't Islamic firefighters.
What exactly does this have to do with Aussies converting to Islam?
Given the cost of coming in via boat none of the refugees from countries such as Afghanistan have ever stuffed their faces with McDonalds.
What exactly is it about the conditions in countries such as Afghanistan in 2001 that suggests to you these people aren't genuine refugees? Is it the fact that the woman could walk down the street and show their ankle without being killed...oh no, hang on, they couldn't. Was it the fact that a if a woman was raped it had to be witnessed by a number of "respectable" men before it was "rape" and not just "adultery" and that if no "respectable" men did witness it the woman would be killed? Could it be the fact that men weren't allowed determine their own beliefs without facing the risk of death? God forbid muslims be granted basic human rights.
Oh, and before you say they're "illegal" refugees and should have come through the proper channels, that hasn't been an option for any Afghanis. To go to the consulate in Kabul during the Taliban rule would have been too risky and when the US announced it's miliatary action Australia immediately closed it's refugee office in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. The only way to apply was to ring Hong Kong and sit on hold. In other words, you couldn't.
Who exactly do you think is paying them? Most refugees end up working in dead end jobs such as taxi driving. They're lucky if they make enough to live on.
Now I've got that out of my system back on topic:
Aussie conversion to Islam. Apparently Islam is now the second largest religion in Australia with about 5% of the country following the religion. Second only to Christainity. While it would be nice to believe the majority are immigrants, with such high numbers I can't see how that can be the case. We simply haven't been taking in that many immigrants from the muslim countries.
I think that what crashedman said earlier is spot on. It provides answers and stability. I think what puts it above Christainity (which IMHO also provides answers and stability) is that these days it's "cool" to be anything but Christian. If you have faith in one of the other belief systems, and you still to it, people will respect you. If you'er a christian, you're an idiot who can't think for himself. That's partly our fault. We've let too many hypocrits into our churches, and IMHO there are too many people calling themselves christians simply because they were raised hearing about Jesus once a year and damaging our reputation further.
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