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Aussie Church Failing?

padey

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Icystwolf said:
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Her FAD is the notion that you can have a good and enjoyable life with God.
It’s clear your worldview is of an under realised eschatology, a classic dispensational premillennialism position.

Please grab your bible and underline these 7 words.

Luke 7:16

They were all filled with awe and praised God. "A great prophet has appeared among us," they said. "God has come to help his people."




I’d love to share the power of this Greek, but you don’t have the patience and I don’t have the time. (Lukan literature is fantastic; Luke uses some of the best grammatical Greek for his opening in Luke and Acts. All this mixed with some of the worst Greek, like Peters speech in Acts 2. He changes style to suit who ever is speaking, giving his readership insight into his characters)


God has come to help his people! And the good thing is, God still is, ‘come to help his people’! (English grammatical error intended)

So let's enjoy, being enjoyed by a God who has come to help his people!


padey
 
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Nope thats definately judging

maybe you are going to the wrong churches or maybe even still arnt teachable maybe?


It sounds to me that you are all theology and no spirit Icy no wonder you see problems whereever you go, Like paul says when he preachers to the gentiles he becomes a gentile etc etc a l ot of people try to reach different people different ways and for to generalise(yet again) and judge(yet again) those people is outright wrong. although there are some super spiros out there that use the spirit of God as an excuse you cant put all the people into that bag

 
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You've made one flaw and that flaw is the cornerstone of your argument.

Jesus came to bring us salvation that we enter eternal rest.

All you've done is added more responsibility on God's behalf to give people blessing in their lifestyle now, which is exactly what Koey is arguing about,
KOEY said:
We are called to discern the spirits, and there are plenty of churches out there blaming the Holy Spirit for their empty-headed, feel-good, junk food.
and it's said nothing of the sort in context in the New Testament. Had you understood the basic picture of clear faith rather than blind faith in Christ, you would have known this.

As for art-of-war...I'm sure, one day you'll regret all the immature posts you made, and finally understand why I'm not answering those questions.
 
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For someone who scolds other people for not knowing the scriptures, do you have a scriptural reference for your last comment? Or is it based in dispensational premillennial Anglicanism?
 
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padey said:
For someone who scolds other people for not knowing the scriptures, do you have a scriptural reference for your last comment?

yes

Or is it based in dispensational premillennial Anglicanism?
This is based on my own interpertation of the Bible...

I would have thought all churches agreed on that "Jesus came to bring us salvation and forgiveness of sins through his death and resurrection that we enter eternal rest."

I haven't been an Anglican for that long... so to your best interest, it's best not to argue about the Anglican church or the Uniting church, or whatever church isn't part of AOG.
 
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Well, I'm sorry but I got lost in all your arguments above. I don't know where we were going there. I personally discern or judge (whichever you prefer) through both the Spirit and the Word of God, that all (not just some) of the churches in Australia need to repent of some pretty major flaws. I believe that no church is exempt from this urgent need.
 
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Nothing created by man is perfect. That includes the churches no matter what denomination. And that includes churches all over the world including Australia. It is up to the individual who attends the church to show what true christianity is.
We blossom where we are planted.
It is up to the indivudual in the church to show love, compassion, strength, mercy, understanding, forgiveness, kindness, faith and a myriad of other things which accompanies the word called love.
It is all very well for us to read our Bibles and speak the Word of God fluently. And to be able to quote texts. Even pagans could do that.
But, it is a different thing when action is shown. And ... it is for us to retire quietly to pray to Our God through His Son to help us through on our journey through life continuing to be a shining light to all others in the church. To set an example.
When people the world over can see that ... then we would have a wonderful church.
Unfortunately. We have selfrighteous, bigoted and Bible Bashing people as well as unforgiving people who can occupy the pews.
And to them ... we should blossom where we are planted ... and by example, show them the way a true Christian behaves.
The Love of our Perfect Father in Heaven shows in His creations. He created you ... and me. It is up to each of us then to show Father He created something to be proud of...
 
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I often find that there are preachers who take the shortcut of saying, "the spirit told me so..."


this reminds me of something i read about Steve Camp (CCM artist) the other day. He said he was performing in concert one day - and some guy jumped up on the stage and said he had a "word from the lord" for Steve - Steve said, ok, i'll listen to you on one condition - that what you are about to tell me is totally backed up by the bible - in the end, the guy never shared the "message" he had received, Steve had convicted him and he admited "well, maybe it was just a thought I had"
 
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*MOD HAT ON*

If you see your posts missing, they've been moved into the theology forum under the title 'Judging': http://www.christianforums.com/t706505
i've also left a redirect in the AU forum.

This thread will be moderated closely from now on. Posts might get edited without notification.

*MOD HAT OFF*
 
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hmm, it appears i've done the wrong thing - not quite sure what i did that was so wrong, or how what i said was so off topic (seemed perfectly on topic to me considering everyone was talking about judging eachother) certainly seemed a lot more on topic that a lot of other stuff i seen in various threads around here *sigh*
 
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You seem to have had a typical experience of those presenting for counselling after leaving large churches that have lost their sense of caring for their community as they have grown. The most common complaint is a lack of love in the church today. God says to love Him first with all our heart, mind soul and strength, and then to love others as ourselves. We cannot love others rightly unless we first learn to have a love relationship with God. God teaches us to love in intimate relationship with Him. He models it to us so we can model it to others. Not only is there a lack of relationship between people in the congregations today. Relationship with God is not being taught in all churches today, but rather relationship with the church structure and heirarchy. You can be anonymous in some churches today and some people like that. But that is not what the Body is about. It is more than a social club. It is a powerful spiritual entity when all the members are in their proper place, obeying God. It can change the world, one heart at a time. Abi

 
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I agree wholeheartedly. I don't know what the causes are. Certainly when a country is rich it tends to neglect God. However, America seems to be an exception to that rule of thumb. Attendance in Australia is lucky to be 15%, whereas in America it is more than double that. So, I don't think anyone can claim we are having a national revival here yet, maybe a few revival pockets at best.

Another reason we have such low attendance may be that the churches in Australia are too divided, each with its own camp and 10 meter walls between. Too many churches even have their own separate Bible Colleges, not wanting their students to be "tainted" by the others I suppose.
 
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I think that the general Christian population in Sydney is doing quite well... at least, churches I know of are focussing on planting new ones and really reaching the community where they are rather than expecting them to come to them.

The National Church Life Survey (something like that) reported last year that (I think) the general church in Sydney is growing at a rate above population growth. Which is a good thing.

Of course there are so many more things which are needing to be done to get the word to people and there are definitely churches struggling to do so. There's also apathy which could possibly be up there in Australian culture as the top sport! ha ha ha. so it's no wonder that people either don't care to talk to others about their faith or don't care to respond to the challenge of Jesus because they just couldn't be bothered. It's hard, it's not like it's ever easy.

In the end, there's lots to do, but it's not a reason to give up! Sow the seeds then water with prayer and real relationships. Leave the rest up to God and the movement of the Spirit in people's lives.
 
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Can I just add to that... church attendance is not a good indicator opf anything except people simply meeting together... I mean it's good to go, for heaven's sake I'm at church 3 times a week... I am involved in the music ministry quite heavily so I love what I do... but attendance doesn't mean a whole lot... I mean America might have more attendance on a percent basis but you also must consider this is a country with no religious freedom in public so the public view of Christianity isn't that crash hot... not that it's much better here but we haven't yet been told we can't pray or whatever

Point being... the Pente's here have about 80-90% attendance but that doesn't mean that we are in revival or anything... it just means that we are more committed IN GENERAL to church attendance.. not necessarily more committed to God... there's a difference... revival won't begin in the church anyway, it begins when we talk to people about Christ and the world just yearns to know, instead of pushing us away. O for the day Lord!!
 
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Koey, did you watch compass...with status anxiety?

That was scary, how churches in america have incorporated their culture into belief.

At the end of the first series, Alain started comparing the church belief from England to America...boy was that scary.

I can already feel the anxiety in america just by watching that program...and I'm more at home with the English Christian....I'm sure all would feel the same.

Which is why, I'm recommending people to buy the DVD... It is so helpful...and after watching it, you'll realise how screwed up Anthony Robbins and Joyce Meyer is. They don't talk about it in the show, but it's a basic outline, using Christianity to sword swipe into the theory of motivated talks......
 
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