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[Tishri1]

I don't know about that. The people coming in to discuss generally do have roots in Adventism as well, even if they are now Lutherans, Baptists, etc.


The difference between GT and here is that the issues center around Adventism or Adventism's take on other subjects, rather than a variety of topics.

Progressives do not mind discussion from MANY viewpoints. So they are not threatened by the type of conversation you speak of. They may at times be bored of it, but that is why you can ignore the topics you don't want to read.

Progressives do not seem to be yearning for relief from outsiders discussing.

This group sounds alot like the Lutheran group in this area, very warm, open and welcoming would that describe you all as well?

 

[Tishri1]

I am going to throw out some alternatives that could be used. Some may be more or less agreeable to actual progressives:

• A place for Seventh-day Adventists who do not insist on acceptance of all 28 fundamental beliefs- Adventists who come here generally________

• A place to discuss Seventh-day Adventist issues--all voices welcome- While this place is a general gathering for progressive and moderate Adventists we welcome______________

• A place for Adventists and those with ties to Adventism to discuss_____________[the red here is just my suggestion to add more to what is here, take it a run with it anyone....]
  

[QUOTE/]This is how the other SOPs are generally formatted can you come up with a filler of sorts here(take my words out if you want and make them all yours

The second two options include those who may not be Adventist but who have ties or wish to discuss Adventism. The first one is more precise, but could be used by the administration to limit conversation. I am not stating that is the current goal of the administration. But given enough time original goals sometimes slip and what is left is just the words to be enforced.

I know yes i have seen that happen as well...

we can actually use all three statements with alittle back filler to round them out, and we can re edit to include others contributions here also who are gifted to write a bit too

 

[Edial]

How about this so far? (Copied this from deep in-thread to here)
Putting Tall's suggestion this way ...

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A place for Seventh-day Adventists and those with ties to Adventism who do not insist on acceptance of all 28 fundamental beliefs.

Other voices are also welcome to participate in discussing these beliefs
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[Tishri1]

How about this for 1 and 3 and ending with 2?

A place for Seventh-day Adventists and those with ties to Adventism who do not insist on acceptance of all 28 fundamental beliefs.

Other voices are also welcome to participate in discussing these beliefs.

or use all three as bullet points and add a bit more following each statement(back filling with more meaning) that would work great!

 

[StormyOne]

I think we have tried to make this more of a discussion place vs a place to debate... The goal being sharing and learning from the topics discussed as opposed to trying to convert everyone to our way of thinking....

I agree to the summation that Tall wrote earlier....

 

[Tishri1]

I think that if you recognize "traditional" Adventists who insist on adherance to the 28 Fundamental Beliefs as a secondary group (along with the "no ties whatsoever"), you'll understand the reason for this forum a little better.

so does this mean you have felt intruded on by them in here as well now that you have your own place?

Edial,

Will this be a debate forum or a discussion forum?

Joe

well thats the thing, sounds like you like debate in here(not alot of forums do in this area), what most do is have healthy debate amongst themselves but limit the same from their "guests" is that what you want too?

from what i gather if you do want unlimited debate(the other extreme) you guys could benefit from how the Lutherans are doing it in their forum which seems to be the most open to outsiders debating in there, Ed can help in that regard

 

[StormyOne]

so does this mean you have felt intruded on by them in here as well now that you have your own place?
well thats the thing, sounds like you like debate in here(not alot of forums do in this area), what most do is have healthy debate amongst themselves but limit the same from their "guests" is that what you want too?

from what i gather if you do want unlimited debate(the other extreme) you guys could benefit from how the Lutherans are doing it in their forum which seems to be the most open to outsiders debating in there, Ed can help in that regard

What I think we wanted (eons ago) is to allow unlimited discussion and even debate if people felt they needed to do that without flaming.... Victor comes from another forum where debate was the primary means of engagement, however discussion, review, and/or dissecting issues here would be the primary means of engagement as I see it....

 

[Tishri1]

We are pretty close to honing this down in the posts below.

Yet we certainly need few more days, since some expressed that some regulars post weekdays.

Thanks,
Ed

sounds good to me

 

[Tishri1]

How about this so far? (Copied this from deep in-thread to here)
Putting Tall's suggestion this way ...

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A place for Seventh-day Adventists and those with ties to Adventism who do not insist on acceptance of all 28 fundamental beliefs.

Other voices are also welcome to participate in discussing these beliefs
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sure

 

[Tishri1]

I think we have tried to make this more of a discussion place vs a place to debate... The goal being sharing and learning from the topics discussed as opposed to trying to convert everyone to our way of thinking....

I agree to the summation that Tall wrote earlier....

ok thats really better fitting a faith group anyway, it gives you a better sense of family here when the emphasis is on discussion... are their any topics that "guests" shouldnt bring in here? things that you dont want to hash out? things that offend you guys that you dont want to be debated here?

 

[Tishri1]

What I think we wanted (eons ago) is to allow unlimited discussion and even debate if people felt they needed to do that without flaming.... Victor comes from another forum where debate was the primary means of engagement, however discussion, review, and/or dissecting issues here would be the primary means of engagement as I see it....

this is good we can even word it this way Stormy if you like

 

[StormyOne]

ok thats really better fitting a faith group anyway, it gives you a better sense of family here when the emphasis is on discussion... are their any topics that "guests" shouldnt bring in here? things that you dont want to hash out? things that offend you guys that you dont want to be debated here?

nothing has ever been off-limits here..... so as long as it remains respectful we can explore.... the negative thing that use to happen was personal attacks and name calling... but I think those issues are covered under the general guidelines of the place....

 

[StormyOne]

this is good we can even word it this way Stormy if you like

lol... no problem..... as long as its understood that we are more interested in sharing which comes from discussion as opposed to trying to prove that we are right or are trying to convert people to our way of thinking....

 

[Tishri1]

nothing has ever been off-limits here..... so as long as it remains respectful we can explore.... the negative thing that use to happen was personal attacks and name calling... but I think those issues are covered under the general guidelines of the place....

oh good that makes things easier then

lol... no problem..... as long as its understood that we are more interested in sharing which comes from discussion as opposed to trying to prove that we are right or are trying to convert people to our way of thinking....

sound real healthy.....dont know if anyone remembers but years and years ago I was a mod in SDA being mentored by Sophia...anyone remember way back then???? I had the privilege to get to know many of you back then and it was a fond experience

 

[StormyOne]

oh good that makes things easier then

sound real healthy.....dont know if anyone remembers but years and years ago I was a mod in SDA being mentored by Sophia...anyone remember way back then???? I had the privilege to get to know many of you back then and it was a fond experience

yep... I was here, and the experience was trying as I remember.... the rub of course was the claim of some as being true adventists and everyone who did not share those views were labeled as the spawn of satan......

 

[tall73]

so very well put Tall this is something that can go right into a SOP

does everyone else here like what Tall has expressed about this group?

The longer text you highlighted is too bulky. I think a couple of sentences is fine. I just wanted to give folks an idea of where progressives were coming from.

 

[DarylFawcett]

I think "everyone" is incorrect, as that would include me, which it doesn't.

Everyone in the SDA church is in a different stage of rejecting the teachings of EGW. Even the most hardcore traditional SDA's on this forum run away from her teachings when questioned. I would call this forum a place where SDAs or people interested in SDAism come to discuss what the church is and what it should be.

I would say yes that makes me an SDA dissident, but so is anyone who rejects the 18th fundamental belief of the SDA church as found on their official website:

Fundamental Beliefs

 

[StormyOne]

I think "everyone" is incorrect, as that would include me, which it doesn't.

I suspect Daryl if I quoted you some questionable egw writings you might say they are either no longer applicable or should be rejected....

 

[DarylFawcett]

Another thread, but not in this one.

I suspect Daryl if I quoted you some questionable egw writings you might say they are either no longer applicable or should be rejected....

 

[StormyOne]

Another thread, but not in this one.

agreed....