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[Edial]

I don't know that there is a word..... liberal thinking adventists is a descriptor that comes to mind... progressive thinking adventists? I am not sure that there is a good word. I say that because we don't all agree on the same things, some quite liberal, some not....

from the sticky which I think still holds true:

What unifies you?

 

[StormyOne]

What unifies you?

I don't know that we are.... what we have in common is that we are not afraid to question traditional beliefs.... but we don't always come to a consensus regarding what should replace a particular belief...

 

[Nemo Neem]

It seems a Moderate/Progressive Adventist would have its roots in congregationalism, a now-defunct denomination shared by Nathaniel Hawthorne and Calvin Coolidge. Core beliefs are:

*Calvinist in tradition
*Universal salvation
*Diversity in beliefs
*Unitarian training
*A belief in theocracy

Congregational church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Moderate/Progressive Adventist Statement of Faith:

*We believe in congregational independence, meaning that each congregation governs of its own accord.

*We are of the Calvinist tradition, sharing a common theme with Presbyterianism.

*We believe in universal salvation, a principle that asserts that all people are under the consideration and Love of God, and that theological concepts (doctrines) which conform to this concept are in fact more in accord with the divine concepts.

*We are proud of our diversity, with our members varying in belief.

*We believe in Unitarianism, rejecting the concept of the Trinity, that God is only One Person, and not Three.

*We believe that the Government of the United States should be a theocracy.

 

[StormyOne]

It seems a Moderate/Progressive Adventist would have its roots in congregationalism, a now-defunct denomination shared by Nathaniel Hawthorne and Calvin Coolidge. Core beliefs are:

*Calvinist in tradition
*Universal salvation
*Diversity in beliefs
*Unitarian training
*A belief in theocracy

Congregational church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Moderate/Progressive Adventist Statement of Faith:

*We believe in congregational independence, meaning that each congregation governs of its own accord.

*We are of the Calvinist tradition, sharing a common theme with Presbyterianism.

*We believe in universal salvation, a principle that asserts that all people are under the consideration and Love of God, and that theological concepts (doctrines) which conform to this concept are in fact more in accord with the divine concepts.

*We are proud of our diversity, with our members varying in belief.

*We believe in Unitarianism, rejecting the concept of the Trinity, that God is only One Person, and not Three.

*We believe that the Government of the United States should be a theocracy.

ummmmm no..... not even.... the government of the U.S. is fine as it is.... some progressive sda's would not believe in universalism, some may.... Calvinistic? Hmmmmm I don't think so....

 

[Tishri1]

Originally Posted by StormyOne

Some of the beliefs espoused by the church have no biblical basis, and need review.... the church more often than not is reluctant to do so.... so we hash it out here...
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I think that's an accurate assessment of the progressive/moderate forum's purpose. ...

ok this is good in my eyes too ....just for starters...how would you go about hashing something out??? finish this sentence.....

• Progressives believe that some of the beliefs espoused by the SDA church have no biblical basis, and need review.... the church more often than not is reluctant to do so, so we hash it out here by _____

Tell me how progressives feel or act or answer this statement and why?


The answers we get from each of you may help clarify a purpose for you all.....I hope it leads to something anyway

 

[Tishri1]

Originally Posted by M-Class

Real change is going to have to come from the Holy Spirit working in the hearts of individual members, not from leadership.
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I think that's what this sub-forum's stated object should be.[/quote]ok and I agree too.... help me put that into words... how do you like this

• Progressive Adventists believe that real change is going to have to come from the Holy Spirit working in the hearts of individual members, not from leadership. And there for we____________(fill in the blank)

 

[StormyOne]

ok this is good in my eyes too ....just for starters...how would you go about hashing something out??? finish this sentence.....

• Progressives believe that some of the beliefs espoused by the SDA church have no biblical basis, and need review.... the church more often than not is reluctant to do so, so we hash it out here by _____

Tell me how progressives feel or act or answer this statement and why?


The answers we get from each of you may help clarify a purpose for you all.....I hope it leads to something anyway

We hash it out here by dissecting the belief in question and suggesting alternative views supported by the bible and or other sources that are felt to be credible and relevant to the topic. That would be my answer....

 

[StormyOne]

ok and I agree too.... help me put that into words... how do you like this

• Progressive Adventists believe that real change is going to have to come from the Holy Spirit working in the hearts of individual members, not from leadership. And there for we____________(fill in the blank)

And therefore we embrace a diversity of beliefs and allow for the realization that God will and does communicate with each and everyone of us....

 

[M-Class]

What unifies you?

Jesus!

Seriously... a pastor recently defined it for me as "unity in diversity"... that "diverse interpretations of scripture do not separate those who love Jesus." As he put it, "Head and Body work together, but the Head always leads". The opposite of this is of course unity in uniformity, which tends to be "the Body trying to be the Head". It made a lot of sense to me.

 

[Tishri1]

A Statement of Faith is only a statement of what a group of people believe to be true.

It is not a statement of absolute, complete truth. A child does not have to defend his/her belief.

If a group's SoF is that they do not have a fixed written position, then that is workable to me.

If a group's SoF is written and that becomes a wall of protection from hostility by those who are not qualified members, then that is workable to me as well.

we just want you all to be afforded any protection you seek to make this place a peaceful place, it doesnt have to be a creed, it can be just a

"This is what progressives think or believe....."

and if that includes a strong enough belief that we can limit the debate for you to keep the peace in here on certain topics than so be it

example in MJ (my forum) we dont allow folks to come in and talk about the law passing away, that would be off topic to MJ as that forum believes (most do strongly anyway) that the law(Torah) will never pass away


does that make sense?

do you all have any strong beliefs or convictions like that???

 

[Kira Light]

This forum seems to me to be about examining SDA teachings. Anyone with knowledge of their beliefs, and an opinion, should be welcome to participate.

I am third or fourth gen SDA and I never officially left the church, but I now believe they are pretty much wrong on everything that sets them apart from mainstream Christianity. I like to come here and talk to the people who are still "true believers". If some sort of statement of faith is made wherein I would have to hold to certain SDA principles in order to participate in this forum, then that would be a great loss for me.

 

[Tishri1]

do all of you agree???

It seems a Moderate/Progressive Adventist would have its roots in congregationalism, a now-defunct denomination shared by Nathaniel Hawthorne and Calvin Coolidge. Core beliefs are:

*Calvinist in tradition
*Universal salvation
*Diversity in beliefs
*Unitarian training
*A belief in theocracy

Congregational church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Moderate/Progressive Adventist Statement of Faith:

*We believe in congregational independence, meaning that each congregation governs of its own accord.

*We are of the Calvinist tradition, sharing a common theme with Presbyterianism.

*We believe in universal salvation, a principle that asserts that all people are under the consideration and Love of God, and that theological concepts (doctrines) which conform to this concept are in fact more in accord with the divine concepts.

*We are proud of our diversity, with our members varying in belief.

*We believe in Unitarianism, rejecting the concept of the Trinity, that God is only One Person, and not Three.

*We believe that the Government of the United States should be a theocracy.

 

[Tishri1]

Originally Posted by Tishri1

ok and I agree too.... help me put that into words... how do you like this

• Progressive Adventists believe that real change is going to have to come from the Holy Spirit working in the hearts of individual members, not from leadership. And there for we____________(fill in the blank)

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And therefore we embrace a diversity of beliefs and allow for the realization that God will and does communicate with each and everyone of us....

very good you hired!

 

[Tishri1]

Jesus!

Seriously... a pastor recently defined it for me as "unity in diversity"... that "diverse interpretations of scripture do not separate those who love Jesus." As he put it, "Head and Body work together, but the Head always leads". The opposite of this is of course unity in uniformity, which tends to be "the Body trying to be the Head". It made a lot of sense to me.

I like that too

 

[Tishri1]

This forum seems to me to be about examining SDA teachings. Anyone with knowledge of their beliefs, and an opinion, should be welcome to participate.

I am third or fourth gen SDA and I never officially left the church, but I now believe they are pretty much wrong on everything that sets them apart from mainstream Christianity. I like to come here and talk to the people who are still "true believers". If some sort of statement of faith is made wherein I would have to hold to certain SDA principles in order to participate in this forum, then that would be a great loss for me.

I understand, lets not make it a SOF, more a forum description then.... but if there are certain subject that poke at you all (and hurt when others poke at them) let us know about those and why they hurt as well ok?

 

[Tishri1]

What unifies you?

yes this is the main concept in making a SOP, what is the purpose of this place and what makes you all a group here, where is your unity coming from, what core beliefs or common traits?

 

[StormyOne]

we just want you all to be afforded any protection you seek to make this place a peaceful place, it doesnt have to be a creed, it can be just a

"This is what progressives think or believe....."

and if that includes a strong enough belief that we can limit the debate for you to keep the peace in here on certain topics than so be it

example in MJ (my forum) we dont allow folks to come in and talk about the law passing away, that would be off topic to MJ as that forum believes (most do strongly anyway) that the law(Torah) will never pass away


does that make sense?

do you all have any strong beliefs or convictions like that???

I don't think we are afraid of debate, and most have been able to disagree without being disagreeable.... so I am not sure why we need a safe haven as it were...

 

[StormyOne]

yes this is the main concept in making a SOP, what is the purpose of this place and what makes you all a group here, where is your unity coming from, what core beliefs or common traits?

the purpose is discussion... but we are atypical adventists, that is what defines us and makes us a group I suppose.... no common traits other than we agree that denominational beliefs need to be reviewed, and that we ask questions....

 

[VictorC]

do all of you agree???

No.
These last items couldn't have been written for anyone I have seen post here:

*We believe in Unitarianism, rejecting the concept of the Trinity, that God is only One Person, and not Three.
*We believe that the Government of the United States should be a theocracy.

Anathema isn't a strong enough word, and this isn't going to fit anywhere near the Nicene Creed test you employ for congregational groups.

 

[VictorC]

If some sort of statement of faith is made wherein I would have to hold to certain SDA principles in order to participate in this forum, then that would be a great loss for me.

I hope someone is listening!