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Faith has consequences and some simply do not want Christ to be who he says he is.
It becomes a matter of not wanting to believe rather than not being able to.
My relationship with God is ongoing (an ongoing religious experience) after my spiritual rebirth, I have been getting to know more about God and his creation. I genuinely don't understand why it's so difficult for to to just take that on face value without the hair splitting over analysis.
I can understand that you have not been spirit born, sincerely don't believe in God, but you could at least believe that others believe.
You haven't established that you have a relationship with a universe-creating superbeing. That isn't hair splitting. It's the very issue in question -- an epistemological one -- and it's a significant issue. How can I possibly just take that at "face value"?
I do believe that others believe. I don't doubt that you believe that God exists. I don't think that you are lying to us.
If you believe in God, that's fine with me. However, let's keep in mind that I'm responding to the charge -- your charge -- that atheists pursue error and don't actually pursue truth at all levels, while you are perfectly free to pursue truth and don't potentially run into error with your adamant belief in the existence of some sort of God. You had no qualms whatsoever making judgments about atheism and atheists, so I don't see why you are complaining.
Please note too which sub-forum you are posting on. Seriously, what did you expect?
Never miss the opportunity to make your own thougths look bad by condensing them into a hyperbolic antagonizing catch phrase, eh?It's been my experience that Atheist look for what's wrong with explanations of spiritualism, for apparent errors, from people who may not be well equipped to explain their experience and then subsequently use those weakness to attempt to convince the believer that they are just imagining things. Atheist imply that, while they can't really explain away the experience of the religionist, at some future time science will account for everything currently unexplainable and consciousness will be proven to be an electrochemical phenomenon. That is why I say that Atheism is faith in the doctrines of doubt.
Never miss the opportunity to make your own thougths look bad by condensing them into a hyperbolic antagonizing catch phrase, eh?
Is that what being born again does to you?
I cant establish that I have a relationship with God to your satisfaction, to anyone's satisfaction. I cannot meet the epistemological threshold, I have repeatedly acknowledged that. A religionist cant adequately describe their experience with the spirit of God any better than you could describe the personality of an acquaintance well enough for me to be able to pick them out of a lineup. One personality can experience the spirit/personality of another but such an experience is so unique to the exchange that it's not adequately definable. We could use comparisons, personality patterns, concepts, but no description that would be absolute in communicating a personality.
No, you just said something very stupid. As usual, your psychic powers fail you. But whatever helps you through the night....I struck a raw nerve?
So, this time no condensed antagonist catch phrase?Its my experience, Atheist pick apparent flaws, look for wedge issues on these forums. They don't look for validation of spiritual experience, they look down on religious people from an icy intellectual mountain. BTW, I'm under no illusions that you will like my thoughts,
Ah, there it is!atheist despise religious people.
You are not required to be "absolute in communicating a personality". All that atheists ask you to do it to present evidence that you are communicating about an existing person at all.
No, you just said something very stupid. As usual, your psychic powers fail you. But whatever helps you through the night....
So, this time no condensed antagonist catch phrase?
Ah, there it is!
And again, your psychic powers fail you. Most people whom I have to do with in real life and whom I value highly are religious.
Its my experience, Atheist pick apparent flaws, look for wedge issues on these forums. They don't look for validation of spiritual experience, they look down on religious people from an icy intellectual mountain. BTW, I'm under no illusions that you will like my thoughts, atheist despise religious people.
Look, I know there have been some misleading reports in the media about that. So I understand how you came to this conclusion.atheist despise religious people.
That is why your approach here fails so miserably: you try to make all kind of comparison with, well, "the real world" (for want of a better term). But in this real world, what you propose here in not "the only way".And the only way we can offer this proof to you is for you to choose to know God for yourself. Even then you would not be able to return to other Atheist and provide convincing proof.
That is why your approach here fails so miserably: you try to make all kind of comparison with, well, "the real world" (for want of a better term). But in this real world, what you propose here in not "the only way".
Your proposed experience contradicts all other experiences in this field. It is completely unverifiable and unfalsifiable. Any person with some amount of respect for the concept of truth should be aware of that.
Look, I know there have been some misleading reports in the media about that. So I understand how you came to this conclusion.
Here are the facts: While it is true that in order to become a card carrying member of TrueAtheismTM, you have to prove (there´s a lie detector test, you have to take a vow, and you get a certificate) that you despise religious people (and those who believe in the correct God you despise ten times as much as those who believe but in one of the false Gods), there are no such requirements whatsoever for an ordinary atheist.
Hope that helps transparency.
I struck a raw nerve? Its my experience, Atheist pick apparent flaws, look for wedge issues on these forums. They don't look for validation of spiritual experience, they look down on religious people from an icy intellectual mountain. BTW, I'm under no illusions that you will like my thoughts, atheist despise religious people.
It's verifiable for me, your own personal experience with God would be verifiable for you. Jesus used the wind as an analogy.
It´s not like in the good old days when the only requirement was not to be a theist.Ugh, those sorts of atheists. Bane of my existence.
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