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atheists weapon revisited: pink unicorn

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics' started by joinfree, May 19, 2018.

  1. joinfree

    joinfree Well-Known Member

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    It is the dispute with UPU follower, together with math-proof for God:
    EvC Forum: The roots of Creation Science and Darwinism
    QUOTE:

    - How do you know the God isn't a pink, universal unicorn?

    - Tell me more about your idol called "pink unicorn". Is it omnipresent idol? If yes, then why I can not see it in my home?

    - Yes, it is sometimes omnipresent. Before you can see Him, you have to believe in Him.

    - Do you believe in pink unicorn? Is it your idol? If it is your idol, then why it is not your God? If you do not believe in pink unicorn, then latter is debunked now. If unicorn is omnipresent, then it has no body: thus, no corn. So, unicorn is debunked.

    - I am not unicorn believer.

    - If you are not believer in pink unicorn, then latter is debunked. I am believer in Jesus Christ. But you have pretended to be believer in pink unicorn. Is it your idol?

    - My non-belief in the Universal Pink Unicorn has no effect on its existence or otherwise.

    - I am not believer in pink unicorn, and you are not. Then I have won this religious debate about pink unicorn. You have defended the pink unicorn, knowing for yourself, that it does not exist.

    - I don't believe in the unicorn; but I don't know that it doesn't exist. And neither do you.

    - Then you do say, that it is very likely, that pink unicorn, Barak Obama, the speaking head of Newton, and red dragon are under your bed now? Perhaps somebody needs some medicine?

    - O.K. I am stupid, but do you have any evidence that any Spirits exist?

    - How the Universe begun? "Michio Kaku - The Universe Shouldn't Exist", "by rights we should not be here,.... it is so frustrating, you wonna tear your hairs up":


    - Sorry but again, that is not evidence. Even if we should not be here were true it is not evidence of any Spiritual thing or power.
    Sorry, you really sound like a nice kid, but you need to learn some basics.

    - You sound like: "Perhaps you are not adequate, your logic is false, imperfect. You need to learn basics." Empty words. Just empty words. In fact there are two Gods among the people: Existing God, and Non-existing god. The Non-existing god is idol, thus it does not exist. It exists only as the main psychic problem of humankind. But because the world is bi-polar, the conflicts, lies and wars are here.
    Why the pink unicorn does very likely live under your bed? Because it is Non-existing god, which has many names, including "satan".

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  2. Radagast

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    Are you a Christian? :scratch:
     
  3. joinfree

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  4. Halbhh

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    God can not be simply proven, or have easy evidence to simply prove.

    That would not be faith.

    Instead, faith is required, and there is help!

    This help:

    Romans 10:17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.

    They have to hear the actual words of Christ or about Christ! If they do, this begins seeds of faith, and then many possibilities can happen after that, as Christ told you in Mark chapter 4.

    So while I sometimes try to unlock a logical error to help, that's not really the help. More important is that I show the grace and love of Christ, and then tell them a seed of the Good News. That's the real thing that matters.
     
  5. joinfree

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    Please define faith. The Theology is Science too, then give us definition from Theology text-book.
     
  6. salt-n-light

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    first off "unicorns" is referring to rhinos....if any of them come with something else and not acknowledge the correct reference of that term, automatically disqualified.

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  7. Halbhh

    Halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things" Supporter

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    I simply rely on Christ's way of using the word, which while I can say what I think it is, the better understanding for anyone is by the real situations where He uses the word 'faith' and then you really get it (the way He meant). Which you get by simply listening as you read in the gospels, which are each only about 30-60 pages, and can be read in hours, but we often want to slow down and think on what He says, it's so profound, and those hours can take weeks for me, because of all the times I need to just stop and digest. But it's only a few hours of reading, and anyone can.
     
  8. joinfree

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    Tell me what does word "faith" mean. How it is defined?
     
  9. Halbhh

    Halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things" Supporter

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    I think the best definition is how Christ uses the word in the gospels. My own personal language paraphrase is to call this 'belief ' but it's also like real trust. But those paraphrases take life (are better understood) in the situations where Christ speaks, in the gospels.
     
  10. joinfree

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    Are there any other kinds of faith besides blind faith? If no, the theists do not know their God.
     
  11. Halbhh

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    The phrase 'blind faith' isn't one I'm used to using, and can't say precisely what it means to someone else (compare to what it seems as if to mean to me).

    Instead of what i think of as 'blind', I was brought to faith by listening to Christ's words.

    By the Light.

    There is much to hear from Him, and anyone is surprised when they read more, even reading a gospel for the 3rd or 4th time has many surprises (amazingly)....
     
  12. DogmaHunter

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    Faith is what you need to believe something for which there is no rational evidence. Or even evidence to the contrary.

    As someone once said (forgot who it was): "Faith is what you need to believe those things that you know aren't really true".
     
  13. Tinker Grey

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    Mark Twain:
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    Peter Boghossian's definition is: Pretending to know things you don't know.
     
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  14. Halbhh

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    That's not going to help you much, repetitive maintenance on a mere ideology.

    Strike out for new territory. Seek the unknown.
     
  15. DogmaHunter

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    It's not an ideology.
    I don't see how "faith" can ever lead to actual knowledge. It misses everything that is required to turn a mere idea into "knowledge".
     
  16. Halbhh

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    If you are truly asking, then the answer is that by believing it's possible to find something, the searcher is empowered to search.

    For instance, the scientists that finally documented and proved 'sprites' (upward discharges into the upper levels of the atmosphere) had to believe it was possible to find in order to search. In fact, the effort as depicted on Nova to record a sprite failed on the first lengthy try. Defeat. No evidence. But they didn't give up. (If I recall right, it was Nova, so that would be Nova episode "At the Edge of Space" if I remembered right)
     
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  17. DogmaHunter

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    yeah… that's not what faith is in this discussion.
    Faith is simply assuming something is true, before doing the searching. And perhaps not even bothering with the searching.

    Again, that's not the kind of "faith" being talked about here.
     
  18. Halbhh

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    Ah, but by Christ's own wording, faith comes/goes hand in hand with seeking! Matthew chapter 7.
     
  19. GrowingSmaller

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    If God is all good, then faith is optimism.
     
  20. DogmaHunter

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    No amount of seeking leads to justifiable beliefs in the supernatural. Because the supernatural doesn't show up anywhere.

    Exactly the point.

    This is why religions require "faith". Because they don't have anything else.
     
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