Atheists' non-fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe.

Pachomius · Jun 7, 2011

Freodin said:
Say, have you ever considered that you might get better reactions from people if you didn't accuse them of being stupid, hateful and lying in every second sentence?

Have you ever considered that it might be better to explain yourself if you feel you are misunderstood rather than assert that people are "playing dumb"?

It seems to be very important for you that the fundamental concept etc etc... you repeated it often enough.

There have been several attempts here by several posters who did make clear that they would debate that as a concept... attempts which you seem to have misunderstood - grossly.

And now I try again: I accept your definition of your concept.

Now what is your point? And I would like to have an answer... not a puzzle, a riddle or a counterquestion.

Tell me then what you suspect to be the point, since you cannot get my point from the message I told you to get it from.

Do some some serious suspecting.

Don't see offense again, get some good text on reading comprehension.

Here, I will help you, or that is also offensive to you?

Since you are asking me what is my point, use the search function to look for all instances of the word point, in particular as used by Pachomius, and then try to make out what is the point of Pachomius by reading all the words before and after the word point, okay?

All the words before and after point until the light dawns on you what is the point of Pachomius.

And tell me whether what you get to be my point is correct or not.

If I say no, then bring forth all the words before and after the word point as are needed by a person with reading comprehension, to convince Pachomius that it should be his point because any guy with reading comprehension will get that to be his point from the words before and after his use of the word point.

Pachomius

Jade Margery · Jun 7, 2011

Now he's taken to referring to himself in the third person. This seems a spiraling trend of madness--get out while you can guys. Don't feed the trolls!

quatona · Jun 7, 2011

Freodin said:
Ok, the fundamental concept of God for Christians is that God is the maker of everything that is not God himself.

Now what?

I have written an almost identical post several days and pages ago.

Pachomius · Jun 7, 2011

Well, Freodin, did you search for the word point in at least page 8 of this thread and in particular as used by Pachomius?

I guess you are not accustomed to do research but to repeat slogans.

Even simple research task like searching for the instances of a word in a text to get to more precisely what the point of a writer is in repeating a line of text, you are loath to undertake.

Anyway, you say:

Freodin said:
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There have been several attempts here by several posters who did make clear that they would debate that as a concept... attempts which you seem to have misunderstood - grossly.

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Okay, you say that above, that "There have been several attempts here by several posters etc."

You tell me where they declared that they want to debate and on what, in regard to their already accepted fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe, in the Christian faith, namely:

God is the maker of everything that is not God Himself.

Now, you will reply for me to look them up.

You say that there have been, so you be the one to bring them up since you have met them.

That means you have to do some very simple research task.

Are you up to that, or you are only up to repeating slogans.

Like tooth fairy, etc., and that you are justified to equate God with the tooth fairy because to you God is non-existent just as tooth fairy is non-existent.

And I will keep repeating that God is not in concept equivalent in any way to tooth fairy even in regard to existence or non-existence, because there are people namely Christians who claim to know the existence of God and will prove to you, provided you accept the fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe in the Christian faith.

Why should you accept the fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe, in the Christian faith?

Because that is the kind of God Christians know to be existing, and you should be claiming to not be existing -- instead of bringing in tooth fairy, etc.

Otherwise you will not be directing your attention on what is the issue, but you are diverting attention to the tooth fairy, which is absolutely and definitely not the fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe, in the Christian faith.

Can you see that contrived irrelevancy from your part?

It would be like you are a North Korean who adopts the Chinese line that the US is a paper tiger, even though the US has nuclear devices flying and sailing, also installed on land surface locations, all over the earth capable of burning up all mankind and life forms several times over.

A lamentable figure of speech, but that is what tooth fairy is all about from atheists of the vociferous ilk.

Pachomius

Freodin · Jun 8, 2011

Pachomius said:
Well, Freodin, did you search for the word point in at least page 8 of this thread and in particular as used by Pachomius?

I guess you are not accustomed to do research but to repeat slogans.

Some simple research about the informations availiable about myself and a little basic math might have given you valuable insights into the life of a average poster on this forum.

It might surprise you, but some people have better things to do in the middle of the night than to wait for your responses.

So let's see...

The "point" that you mention in your last rants can be extruded from the convoluted text as:

"Can you get that into your heads and say that with your lips, even though you don't have the belief or as some of you put it you have the absence of the belief in the existence of God.

That is the whole point of this thread, the title of which is and its topic:

Atheists' non-fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe.

So, your logical reaction is to tell readers yes we do know and it is that God in the Christian faith in relation to the universe is the maker of everything that is not God Himself."

To paraphrase: your point is to get atheists to "get into their heads and say with their lips" that God in the Christian faith in relation to the universe is the maker of everything that is not God himself. (I can't believe I really did repeat all that for you.)

Now let's take a look back....

Post #7 by sandwiches:

I understand what you're trying to convince us of regarding your god. You believe God created everything but himself. Now what?

post #10 by quatona:

I acknowledge that you believe that there is a maker of everything but itself, and I acknowledge that you call that "God". (You have repeated this in pretty much every single post in the other thread, after all. I had understood that already after the first time. It´s not that hard to understand, and I have been familiar with this idea since early childhood.)

I am also aware that this is a fundamental tenet in most every Christian doctrine (albeit not the only one).
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Now what?

Both posters repeated their acceptence.

I added my acceptence and also the question: now what?

And I repeat this question: NOW WHAT?????

Either you take it to the next step or you will be considered the spammer that your nick was declared on that list you mentioned.

And finally... I asked you repeatedly and politely to consider changing your approach and to stop your direct insulting approaches to the people you communicate with. And yes, in contrast to comparing the concept of God with the concept of the Invisible Pink Unicorn, which is neither an insult to the concept of God nor you, you DID directly insult others and still continue to do so.

I ask you again and for the last time to stop that. You are trangressing the rules of this forum that you agreed to when you registered. Either keep to that or face the consequences.

KCfromNC · Jun 8, 2011

Jade Margery said:
Now he's taken to referring to himself in the third person. This seems a spiraling trend of madness--get out while you can guys. Don't feed the trolls!

I'm starting to wonder if it's an attempt at some sort of AI. The behavior is very similar to other threads it's been active in - pick a phrase, ask lots of meaningless questions about it then repost the same boilerplate wall of cryptic text over and over. It's slightly smarter than I'd expect for a really well written AI, though (and that's not a complement if it happens to be human, if you know what I mean).

Eudaimonist · Jun 8, 2011

KCfromNC said:
I'm starting to wonder if it's an attempt at some sort of AI.

It does read like the output of an AI.

eudaimonia,

Mark

Mling · Jun 8, 2011

My fundamental concept of god in relation to the universe: there isn't one. The universe exists on its own, without a god.

My fundamental concept of the Christian god in relation to the universe, as seen by Christians: there are lots. Most believe that their god created the universe, either using the laws of physics already in place, or by creating them. As far as I have seen, all believe that this god still exists today. Some believe that he continues to intervene and direct physical actions within it--some do not believe that.

Lord Emsworth · Jun 8, 2011

The fundamental concept of Atlantis in relation to the earth in Atlantis beliefs is that Atlantis is/was an island.

Now, is there anything irrational about islands?

ToddNotTodd · Jun 8, 2011

Eudaimonist said:
It does read like the output of an AI.

eudaimonia,

Mark

Somebody ask him to open the pod bay doors and see what he says...

Cabal · Jun 8, 2011

The I in AI is seeming a little redundant.

quatona · Jun 8, 2011

I have been brought up with the concept that God is the creator of everything that is not God.
Actually, I notice I am running into conceptual problems when it turns out that some theists´ God concepts do not include this part.
That said, for me it´s convenient rather than challenging to work from the concept that God is the creator of everything that is not God.
I´m wondering why the OP has so great problem with proceeding from this common ground.

Pachomius · Jun 8, 2011

[ Thanks to guys who took the labor to look up the word point at least in page 8 of this thread. ]

[ This present post is in regard to that point addressed to guys who don't. ]

[ The post as a whole is addressed to everyone: atheists, non-Christians, Christians, whatever else. ]

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Now what?

First, did you look for the word point in the page 8 at least in that page and learn what is the whole point of this thread entitled,

Atheists' non-fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe"?

And report here what you have learned about the whole point of this thread?

Now, about people who want to debate on the existence of God in fundamental concept in relation to the universe in the Christian faith, outside the realm of concepts, read this text below very carefully and act on it.

Put up a thread here in philosophy on something similar to the concept in this line of words below in green:

How atheists or theists can and will prove their respective no God or yes God exists.

You guys are always acting from slogans, instead of reading the title of the thread and keeping to it.

I have said time and again that the thread is not about proving or disproving the objective existence of God corresponding to the fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe in the Christian faith.

But just into expatiating on how atheists do not get the fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe in the Christian faith, and to again and again and again and again and again [nth time] tell them what is the fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe in the Christian faith, here again as follows:

Maker of everything that is not God Himself.

When you can affirm categorically that you are acquainted with that fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe in the Christian faith, and pronounce faithfully literally that fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe in the Christian faith, pronounce in the positive mood that is affirmative stance instead of negative stance, then if you want to do something you have always wanted to do, like to prove or disprove the objective existence of God in His fundamental concept in relation to the universe in the Christian faith, then put up a thread on the existence or non-existence of God in the fundamental concept etc., and challenge theists to go there and exchange thoughts with you.

Okay?

Pachomius

PS Can you get that into your heads?

sandwiches · Jun 8, 2011

Pachomius said:
[ Thanks to guys who took the labor to look up the word point at least in page 8 of this thread. ]

[ This present post is in regard to that point addressed to guys who don't. ]

[ The post as a whole is addressed to everyone: atheists, non-Christians, Christians, whatever else. ]
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Now what?

First, did you look for the word point in the page 8 at least in that page and learn what is the whole point of this thread entitled,

Atheists' non-fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe"?

And report here what you have learned about the whole point of this thread?

Now, about people who want to debate on the existence of God in fundamental concept in relation to the universe in the Christian faith, outside the realm of concepts, read this text below very carefully and act on it.

Put up a thread here in philosophy on something similar to the concept in this line of words below in green:

How atheists or theists can and will prove their respective no God or yes God exists.

You guys are always acting from slogans, instead of reading the title of the thread and keeping to it.

I have said time and again that the thread is not about proving or disproving the objective existence of God corresponding to the fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe in the Christian faith.

But just into expatiating on how atheists do not get the fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe in the Christian faith, and to again and again and again and again and again [nth time] tell them what is the fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe in the Christian faith, here again as follows:

Maker of everything that is not God Himself.

When you can affirm categorically that you are acquainted with that fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe in the Christian faith, and pronounce faithfully literally that fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe in the Christian faith, pronounce in the positive mood that is affirmative stance instead of negative stance, then if you want to do something you have always wanted to do, like to prove or disprove the objective existence of God in His fundamental concept in relation to the universe in the Christian faith, then put up a thread on the existence or non-existence of God in the fundamental concept etc., and challenge theists to go there and exchange thoughts with you.

Okay?

Pachomius

PS Can you get that into your heads?

Pachomius, is English not your native language? I am not trying to be insulting but your syntax, grammar, word choices, and expressions are very strange and I am having a very hard time understanding you.

Blayz · Jun 8, 2011

sandwiches said:
Pachomius, is English not your native language? I am not trying to be insulting but your syntax, grammar, word choices, and expressions are very strange and I am having a very hard time understanding you.

The previous post in which he explained how he was unbarred as a spammer mentioned a Singaporean email address, but having lived here for 3 years, the patois is definitely not Singaporean lah.

Freodin · Jun 9, 2011

If being a sheep is one of the favourite images in your worldview, it is not surprising that people start to think like sheep, and "baaah" is all that they are able to say, and all that they are willing to hear.

EphesiaNZ · Jun 9, 2011

Freodin said:
If being a sheep is one of the favourite images in your worldview, it is not surprising that people start to think like sheep, and "baaah" is all that they are able to say, and all that they are willing to hear.

Yes you are quite correct, I seem to remember your country having lots of dumb sheep about 70 years ago. But please correct me if I'm wrong.

Freodin · Jun 9, 2011

EphesiaNZ said:
Yes you are quite correct, I seem to remember your country having lots of dumb sheep about 70 years ago. But please correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes, and like the sheep I was talking about the black sheep in Germany wanted nothing more than having every sheep in the country to say "baaah" in the same way and intonation as himself. And it waged brutal war on all those sheeps and goats who didn't want to follow, but tried to insert their own reasonings.

Do you agree with this sheep, and our sheep here? Is that the way to communicate?

Well, perhaps you do... after all, your country has quite a lot of sheep, doesn't it? (Jibe for a jibe, no offense meant or taken.)

EphesiaNZ · Jun 9, 2011

Well if you want to compare Hitler to God then I would give you one fundamental difference. God wants us unconditionally when we choose whereas Hitler gave you no choice.

This country has heaps of sheep but, my home country of England has less - however it got lots of Hitlers bombs and V1/2 rockets.

Freodin · Jun 9, 2011

EphesiaNZ said:
Well if you want to compare Hitler to God then I would give you one fundamental difference. God wants us unconditionally when we choose whereas Hitler gave you no choice.

This country has heaps of sheep but, my home country of England has less - however it got lots of Hitlers bombs and V1/2 rockets.

God? Who's talking about God?

Do you think Pachomius is God?

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