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It is clear that you atheists who keep defending your concepts of tooth fairy and similar company as the fundamental concept of God in the Christian faith in relation to the universe, it is clear that you don't have the correct fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe in the Christian faith.
So, on concepts alone you are missing the issue of God or no God insofar as the fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe in the Christian faith is concerned.
But you are assuaging your to all appearances hatred for the correct fundamental concept of God in the Christian faith in relation to the universe, even though you claim not to hate God on your gratuitous assumption that God does not exist, by repeating concepts of tooth fairy, flying spaghetti monster, invisible pink unicorn, celestial teapot. etc.
You hate the concept even as concept, by bringing in vilifying concepts to conflate the concept of God with, which you don't have to if you don't harbor hatred in your heart.
You see, even in concept alone, the fundamental concept of God in the Christian faith in relation to the universe, namely:
Maker of everything that is not God Himself,
stirs up so much consternation of hate in your whole neurology that you cannot keep to equanimity, but have to resort to derogatory epithets like the characters of tooth fairy, flying spaghetti monster, invisible pink unicorn, celestial teapot, when you know that the concept of God etc. is not similar to the concepts of these characters -- unless in your own arbitrary construction owing to your hatred.
Summing up, you don't have the correct fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe in the Christian faith, namely:
God is the maker of everything that is not God Himself.
That is the whole point of this thread, namely:
Atheists' non-fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe.
Hope you see the whole point here.
Pachomius
You have not proven that God does not exist.
But just the same, I am not into the existence of God, but into the concept of God.
And on concept to concept comparison I see you atheists are very conspicuous to be into hate speech no matter how you sanctimoniously you avail of camouflages.
Pachomius
Well... you have not proven that God exists either.
But as you are into concepts of God only:
The fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe for Atheists is: God does not exist.
If you don't mind the correction, I'd say a better phrase would be: God does not need to exist.
There seems to be some sort of confusion. True, 'our' Pachomius, aka yrreg or ryrge, does travel the boards of the internet with his show. But I doubt it is the same person as the spammer from Stop Forum Spam.
18th May 2011, 04:33 PM
quatona
God?? What do you mean?
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Originally Posted by PachomiusThat would depend on the topic and the context.
All such phrases are distractions: flying spaghetti monster, invisible pink unicorn, celestial teapot.
Btw.: In this your thread you were the one who brought them up. Typically, atheists don´t bring them up in discussions about the concept of god, but in discussions about evidence and such.
Just keep to the concept, maker of everything that is not God.
What is wrong with that concept?
That such an entity exists is an unparsimonous assumption, to begin with.
Get your facts straight, Gracchus is the one who first brought them up: flying spaghetti monster, invisible pink unicorn, (celestial) teapot.
See #42 14th May 2011, 04:18 PM.
You say:
That such an entity exists is an unparsimonous assumption, to begin with.
You guys seem to be impervious to conceptual thinking.
I have told you time and again to keep to concepts.
You are obviously into obstructing the development of the thread, go away, return to your atheist brethren instead of bellyaching your grudges here in Christian Forums.
"Unparsimonous" you say?
But not like your flying spaghetti monster, invisible pink unicorn, and celestial teapot, that is the kind of (un)thinking you guys are used to, to all appearances yes.
Which is more unparsimonious? A concept, or flying spaghetti monster, invisible pink unicorn, and celestial teapot?
You are asked to find what is wrong with a concept, wherefore if you are possessed of conceptual thinking, you examine the internal ingredients of the concept.
Here, I will give you a tip.
Just examine the ingredients of the concept, maker of everything not God Himself, see anything that among themselves cannot belong together?
maker
of
everything
not
God
Himself
You guys seem patently to be impervious to conceptual thinking.
Because your heart and mind are mired in grudges against God Whom ironically you shout loudly all the time you don't believe exist.
Feel free to explain what about the quoted post was a derailment.Here is one example from a poster by the name of quatona.
The fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe is: God is the maker of everything that is not God Himself, and atheists don´t get it - even when they declare to be willing to discuss this very concept.Whoever has figured out the major point of this thread, could you please summarize it for me?
I guess it depends on what you consider spam. If it is limited to advertising, then there might be some confusion. If it is extended to flooding a topic with write-only posting, repeating the same thing over and over and never actually reading the rest of the discussion, then I think all of these various identities might be one and the same.
That is the main (conceptual) mistake in all your reasoning and ramblings.Or the belief in God is similar to the belief in these characters.
And again you don't understand... or do not want to understand.Okay, here is the challenge to you in order that you can prove to readers and thus also to yourselves that you can do conceptual thinking.
I say God for Christians in relation to the universe is:
Maker of everything not God Himself.
You say God is:
a tooth fairy, a flying spaghetti monster, an invisible pink unicorn, a celestial teapot.
If several people consistently try to educate you on the fundamental conceptual flaw in your argumentation, and amongst each other seem to perfectly understand their reasonings, then you might want to consider that the problem is with you and your understanding instead of them.If you have learned nothing from this thread except to think conceptually, I will already admit that you are susceptible to learning, which is the fundamental concept of intelligence for man in relation to the universe.
Pachomius
Suppose I keep telling you that this thread is all about concepts only, not existence of entities corresponding to the concepts outside man's mind, but you keep proceeding from the standpoint that you have proven the non-existence of God, while at the same time you never ever tell readers what you know is the fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe, in the Christian faith.
But you guys keep insisting that God is the tooth fairy, the flying spaghetti monster, the invisible pink unicorn, the celestial teapot.
And you maintain that in concept God is similar to the concepts of these fictional characters, because God does not exist just as these characters don't exist.
A flying spaghetti monster in its fundamental concept in relation to the universe is...
An invisible pink unicorn in its fundamental concept in relation to the universe is...
If you have learned nothing from this thread except to think conceptually, I will already admit that you are susceptible to learning
[ Words reproduced in red are material lies. ]
Originally Posted by sandwichesThe fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe is: God is the maker of everything that is not God Himself, and atheists don´t get it - even when they declare to be willing to discuss this very concept. The tooth fairy, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Teapot etc. are not defined as the makers of everything that is not Themselves, therefore every mentioning of them (no matter what the context) is considered a vile attack on the OP.
Whoever has figured out the major point of this thread, could you please summarize it for me?
Whenever someone is willing to discuss the concept of God being the maker of everything that is not God Himself the OP is clueless how to proceed from and starts talking about the FSM, the Teapot, the Tooth Fairy etc. instead.
....playing along....
Ok, the fundamental concept of God for Christians is that God is the maker of everything that is not God himself.
Now what?
Originally Posted by quatona
[ Words reproduced in red are material lies. ]
Originally Posted by sandwiches
Whoever has figured out the major point of this thread, could you please summarize it for me?
The fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe is: God is the maker of everything that is not God Himself, and atheists don´t get it - even when they declare to be willing to discuss this very concept. The tooth fairy, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Teapot etc. are not defined as the makers of everything that is not Themselves, therefore every mentioning of them (no matter what the context) is considered a vile attack on the OP.
Whenever someone is willing to discuss the concept of God being the maker of everything that is not God Himself the OP is clueless how to proceed from and starts talking about the FSM, the Teapot, the Tooth Fairy etc. instead.
Thanks, you get it correctly but you are emotive not intellective, that is why as also with Gracchus you stray instinctively into material lies.
Rewrite the post and remove every instance of emotivism, keep to intellectivism, then no one will see you to be lying at least materially.
And everyone, just don't mention the words and similar emotive words like tooth fairy, flying spaghetti monster, invisible pink unicorn, celestial teapot, to compare them with the fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe which is:
Maker of everything that is not God Himself,
Because all such utterances are in concept without any meaning as regards the making of everything that is not the entities represented by them, but intended by their users to hurl insults against the entity represented by the concept, namely, fundamental concept of God being in relation to the universe in the Christian faith:
Maker of everything that is not God Himself.
If you atheists who hate God want to tell the world that you hate God, I get the message very clear, but I am inviting you to affirm that you do have an acquaintance with the fundamental concept of God in the Christian faith in relation to the universe as:
Maker of everything that is not God Himself.
You see, when you keep on hating someone for all the to you hateful things he is supposed to be blamed for, you cannot focus your attention on the concept of this someone as the maker of everything that is not himself.
Get that into your heads, otherwise you cannot be intellective but all emotive, and that is not reasoning but emoting.
Now, someone or some of you will say that I am also emotive.
But I can say without emotion that in the Christian faith as a fundamental concept in relation to the universe God is the maker of everything that is not God Himself.
Can you say that, so that you can show that you have the correct fundamental concept of God in the Christian faith in relation to the universe?
You will say that "But I don't believe in God that He exists."
There you go again, I am just telling you or asking you whether you are acquainted with the fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe in the Christian faith, which for Christians like one Pachomius, the concept fundamental concept that is for Christians that is in relation to the universe that is, IS:
God is the maker of everything that is not God Himself.
Can you get that into your heads and say that with your lips, even though you don't have the belief or as some of you put it you have the absence of the belief in the existence of God.
That is the whole point of this thread, the title of which is and its topic:
Atheists' non-fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe.
So, your logical reaction is to tell readers yes we do know and it is that God in the Christian faith in relation to the universe is the maker of everything that is not God Himself.
Or no we don't know, tell us what it is.
And I am here telling you if you don't know what it is, it is that God is the maker of everything that is not God Himself, in regard to the fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe in the Christian faith.
What then?
Then Christians will know that you know what is the fundamental concept of God in the Christian faith in relation to the universe.
And so?
So, they can see whether when you express hatred for God you are hating the entity represented by the fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe in the Christian faith, or some entity that is not in fundamental concept in relation to the universe the God for Christians.
Wherefore, no need at all to harp continuously that you are just telling mankind with your hate speech of tooth fairy, flying spaghetti monster, invisible pink unicorn, celestial teapot, you are just into equating God with things that don't exist.
I know that and Christians know that, but will you just also tell the whole world that for Christians in fundamental concept of their God in relation to the universe, God is the maker of everything that is not God Himself, and that you know that perfectly.
Then you can add "but we don't believe such an entity represented by such a concept exists."
Can you get that into your heads?
You can't?
That is the whole trouble with you because you are impervious to conceptual thinking.
You are limited to only emotive reactions when the concept of God is mentioned among Christians, namely, the fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe, in the Christian faith, that God is:
Maker of everything that is not God Himself.
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