Atheists' non-fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe.

[Pachomius]

Background of this thread.


In my other thread on fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe, I say that as a Christian my fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe is that:

God is the maker of everything that is not God Himself.
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I have the impression that atheists do not want to take up that concept.

They seem to be avoiding it and instead go into directions that have no genuine connection with the topic of the thread there.

This morning I thought I should look up an atheists' forum and find out what the atheists there have for a fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe.

So I googled the phrase atheists' forums and the first hit at the top of the list from google is the www.atheistforums.com.

I went through the routine of registration successfully it seemed, but then the message returned that my name Pachomius belongs to a list of known spammers, and to contact the authorities for inquiry.

Well, there is a link to contact, so I sent the message that I am supposed to be rejected for being a known spammer according to a list used by them, but that is not true, namely, that I am a known spammer, anyway, thanks for the open invitation to register, and I am sorry that I am supposed to belong to a list of known spammers.

So, what to do next?

What else but just keep to this Christian Forums where there are also atheists, and investigate them for their fundamental or more correctly non-fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe.

Starting with the atheists who frequented my thread on the fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe.

I trust this thread is allowed, because in a very much flourishing atheists' forum, they did not allow such a kind of a thread where the author is of the intention to investigate other posters there who seem to adopt a common position in some worldview or in some issue, like the atheists and the evolutionists and the cosmologists of the universe having come from absolute nothing.

That was the forum belonging to the Infidels.org, but in perhaps two or three years time ago it suffered a tremendous meltdown, because the members there left it in massive numbers, owing to their disgust that one of their darlings there got treated very badly by the more powerful ones there who physically gagged her, and in effect threw her out.

Now there is also one year ago or more the meltdown of the Richard Dawkins forum where Richard had a most favorite darling, in whom he put his complete indubitable trust but now is suing him over money matters, if I am not mistaken.

This guy Josh Timonem was a great pain in the rear of common members there because he was literally in charge of everything there, ideas as well as cash.


So, if the admin here does not forbid this thread, and I promise not to call anyone a liar, I hope that I will be able to formalize what exactly atheists have for a non-fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe, of which God as with all kinds and manners of deities whatever, they claim to have a common stand, namely, that they don't have any belief in, though they write books endlessly trying to prove that God does not exist.

Only when you try to find out what exactly for a concept they have of the God that does not exist, you might not be so successful at all.


Okay, I say that as a Christian the fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe is that:

God is the maker of everything that is not God Himself.

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I will now go through the atheists who posted in my other thread on the fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe, carefully, to find out what if any concept they have of God that is a non-fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe, in the Christian faith.


Unless the admin decides, no, this thread should not be.

Here then is me awaiting the decision of the admin, if they don't give a verboten by tomorrow morning, after 24 hours, then silence means it is okay.




Pachomius

 

[pgp_protector]

Well the username Pachomius does show up as a spammer in Stop Forum Spam, a plugin that some vbulltien forum admins use.

Also known as
Pachomius , Jayvee1987, balesterdabu , lSeymourHubbardq , nherbenbayot, pcfaster85 and a few others.

So I'd guess that a prolific spammer happened to use Pachomius as a user name & now it's a flagged name.

 

[Blayz]

I lost interest in your history of some internet forums about half way, and skimmed the rest of the thread, but you apppear to be asking which is the atheist concept of a fantasy we don't believe in. You might as well ask what is the Athest's non fundamental concept of the tooth fairy.

 

[Pachomius]

Well, I am glad that this thread is getting reactions from people.


Before anything else, this thread is useful for dis-entangling what exactly in the fundamental concept of God in relation to the inverse in the Christian faith, are atheists not happy with -- not happy with, to use a most descriptive phrase.

Or whatever they are objecting to, if they do object to anything at all.

That is how by pinpointing that they do not have the correct fundamental concept of God in the Christian faith in relation to the universe, readers can be cognizant that atheists are missing the correct concept of God with which whatever they are not happy, or they are objecting to.

Now, about God being in concept similar to tooth fairy, I guess you mean similar to a square-circle or an infinite regression.

So, no need to bring in the tooth fairy which you don't write or atheists don't write books about, to prove that it does not exist.

We are talking about the concept of God that atheists are acquainted with, which they deny to have anything corresponding to in objective reality.

Essentially I seem to see for them the concept of God is like as I mentioned just now, the concept of a square-circle, or if I may, an infinite regression.

So, if they be really concerned with the concept, then they should point out what in the concept is impossible, namely, that God fundamentally in concept in the Christian faith in relation to the universe is maker of everything that is not God Himself.

Please abstain from all such utterances like faith fairy, flying spaghetti monster, invisible pink unicorn, celestial teapot, etc., because you are then purposely avoiding the real issue of the concept of God, the fundamental one in relation to the universe, in the Christian faith.


For atheists who honestly don't know what is the fundamental concept of God in the Christian faith in relation to the universe, you really should get acquainted with the fundamental concept of God in the Christian faith in relation to the universe.

So that you know what it is to be without any belief in God or deities whatever as atheists, like you have got to know what is black to be aware that you are not black but what? white, or yellow, or red, or brown.

Namely, otherwise how can you be sure that you are correct in what you don't have any belief in, how can you be sure that you are outside what you don't believe in.

Like kids who say they don't believe in promiscuity but when asked what they know about promiscuity, they just keeping repeating "It is what I don't believe in."

So, you don't talk with kids who talk like that, and think that they are so smart.

Read up on the roundly 2,000 years of writings among Christian thinkers on the fundamental concept of God in the Christian faith in relation to the universe.

Otherwise, again, you could be akin to some people who don't like the present U.S. president, and keep saying that he is a n*gg*r, when they should just discuss whether he is really qualified to have been elected as US president, specially now that he has shown his birth certificate indicating his US citizenship on grounds of being born in US territory, in the State of Hawaii.




Pachomius

 

[Utensil]

As an Athiest, would happily have a conversation with you through PM about my concept of "God"

You have raised so many very good questions that hit right at centre of Athiesm, I feel it would be much more sensible to tackle them one by one.

 

[ToHoldNothing]

To put this as comprehensively but briefly as possible; you're asking for something that would comprise an extensive text of analyzing countless concepts of God and then trying to find some commonality between them, which becomes nearly impossible except in perhaps some vague notion of being numinous and awe inspiring. In that way, the notion of God/gods is reduced to subjective interpretation of what you are in awe of, but, for the most part, God/gods have personalities, so that would be the only other qualification for it that would distinguish the majority of deities people believe in from the general divinity in the form of the immanent universe that pantheists, from what I understand, believe in.

In short, the non fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe seems to make this a topic that would need to cover every permutation of theism possible and then enumerate what is the common factor of all those ideas that an atheist would reject/disbelieve in/be skeptical of. I think you mean a basic concept of God as opposed to a fundamental concept of God, distinguished by the former being general, the latter being particular to an individual theist.

 

[sandwiches]

You're very long-winded so I keep losing interest in our posts halfway through. It seems to me you're trying to show that atheists do not properly understand God and his relationship with the universe. A noble goal, if I'm correct.

Bottom line is I understand what you're trying to convince us of regarding your god. You believe God created everything but himself. Now what? Or am I wrong in what you wanted from this thread? If I am wrong can you please summarize your point succinctly?

 

[Jro]

Before anything else, this thread is useful for dis-entangling what exactly in the fundamental concept of God in relation to the inverse in the Christian faith, are atheists not happy with -- not happy with, to use a most descriptive phrase.

Or whatever they are objecting to, if they do object to anything at all.

Atheism doesn't entail any objecting. It simply entails not believing in any gods.

That is how by pinpointing that they do not have the correct fundamental concept of God in the Christian faith in relation to the universe, readers can be cognizant that atheists are missing the correct concept of God with which whatever they are not happy, or they are objecting to.

Now, about God being in concept similar to tooth fairy, I guess you mean similar to a square-circle or an infinite regression.

So, no need to bring in the tooth fairy which you don't write or atheists don't write books about, to prove that it does not exist.

Some people believe that the Christian conception of God is similar to the tooth fairy. You can dismiss that out of hand, but you're limiting the number of atheists you are talking to. You can also insist that atheists are missing the correct conception of God, but that's not going to reach many of us either. You don't feel the need to seek out Thor, so why should we feel compelled to seek out the Christian God?

Please abstain from all such utterances like faith fairy, flying spaghetti monster, invisible pink unicorn, celestial teapot, etc., because you are then purposely avoiding the real issue of the concept of God, the fundamental one in relation to the universe, in the Christian faith.

For atheists who honestly don't know what is the fundamental concept of God in the Christian faith in relation to the universe, you really should get acquainted with the fundamental concept of God in the Christian faith in relation to the universe.

What makes the Christian God different from the other creatures and beasties you've listened, not to mention the long list of other deities people worship or even those left with no believers?

Namely, otherwise how can you be sure that you are correct in what you don't have any belief in, how can you be sure that you are outside what you don't believe in.

Like kids who say they don't believe in promiscuity but when asked what they know about promiscuity, they just keeping repeating "It is what I don't believe in."

Read up on the roundly 2,000 years of writings among Christian thinkers on the fundamental concept of God in the Christian faith in relation to the universe.

You're treating atheism as if it's a rejection or a reaction of the Christian God. It's not. You don't feel the need to be acquainted with the gods of Vanuatuan Islanders to say that you don't believe in them. For many atheists, myself included, that's not an apt description of our point of view.

 

[Blayz]

I'm not getting the deep and meangingful that the other posters are.

Before anything else, this thread is useful for dis-entangling what exactly in the fundamental concept of God in relation to the inverse in the Christian faith, are atheists not happy with -- not happy with, to use a most descriptive phrase.

We fundamentally don't believe in any kind of supernaturality, it's pretty simple. I don't care how entangled or not entangled it is or is not with anything else, be that Christian faith or any other faith, or what subtle differences there are between one supernatural anthropomorphic entity and another.

Now, about God being in concept similar to tooth fairy, I guess you mean similar to a square-circle or an infinite regression.

Nope, you are reading far too much into it. I mean any supernatural entity for which there is no scientific evidence.

So, no need to bring in the tooth fairy which you don't write or atheists don't write books about, to prove that it does not exist.

Only because no-one actually believes in the tooth fairy. If there was a bunch of people out there that believed in her, I guarantee there'd be atheists writing books about her, to prove she does not exist.

We are talking about the concept of God that atheists are acquainted with

A supernatural entity for which there is no evidence.

So, if they be really concerned with the concept, then they should point out what in the concept is impossible, namely, that God fundamentally in concept in the Christian faith in relation to the universe is maker of everything that is not God Himself.

Or we lump him in with Allah, Zeus, Ra, the tooth fairy and all the others.

Please abstain from all such utterances like faith fairy, flying spaghetti monster, invisible pink unicorn, celestial teapot, etc., because you are then purposely avoiding the real issue of the concept of God, the fundamental one in relation to the universe, in the Christian faith.

The reverse is true. You are bypassing the fundamental lack of belief that is the only tenet of atheism, and trying to attack it with irrelevancies.

So that you know what it is to be without any belief in God or deities whatever as atheists, like you have got to know what is black to be aware that you are not black but what? white, or yellow, or red, or brown.

So, turning that around, how can you tell me Zeus isn't real if you don't know what it is like to be a Zeus worshiper?, or to quote you...

"otherwise how can you be sure that you are correct in what you don't have any belief in, how can you be sure that you are outside what you don't believe in."

You are far too tied up in the atheist objection to the Christian God, without looking at the bigger picture, which is the atheist objection to all gods.

EDIT: Apologies JRO, I got sidetracked between hitting reply and hitting post, didn't see you ninja in there.

 

[quatona]

Background of this thread.


In my other thread on fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe, I say that as a Christian my fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe is that:

God is the maker of everything that is not God Himself.
​

I have the impression that atheists do not want to take up that concept.

I don´t seem to understand what your problem is.
I don´t hold a god concept of my own - I take them and try to address them as they come.
I acknowledge that you believe that there is a maker of everything but itself, and I acknowledge that you call that "God". (You have repeated this in pretty much every single post in the other thread, after all. I had understood that already after the first time. It´s not that hard to understand, and I have been familiar with this idea since early childhood.)

I am also aware that this is a fundamental tenet in most every Christian doctrine (albeit not the only one).

I see no reason to believe that there is such an entity.

Now what?

 

[quatona]

Or whatever they are objecting to, if they do object to anything at all.

I´m not objecting to that idea. I just don´t see any reason to accept it as accurate.

Now, about God being in concept similar to tooth fairy, I guess you mean similar to a square-circle or an infinite regression.

You are misunderstanding the arguments that involve the tooth fairy, FSM etc.
People using them don´t use them to tell you that these concepts are similar to your god concept (the concepts of the tooth fairy and the FSM aren´t similar to each other either, after all) - what they are telling you is that there is as much or little evidence for the existence of all these entities.

So, if they be really concerned with the concept, then they should point out what in the concept is impossible, namely, that God fundamentally in concept in the Christian faith in relation to the universe is maker of everything that is not God Himself.

Well, I don´t know of any atheists who hold the position that this concept is impossible, so I am not sure I understand why you want me or anyone to defend a position they don´t hold.

 

[Pachomius]

[...]

This morning I thought I should look up an atheists' forum and find out what the atheists there have for a fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe.

So I googled the phrase atheists' forums and the first hit at the top of the list from google is the www.atheistforums.com.

I went through the routine of registration successfully it seemed, but then the message returned that my name Pachomius belongs to a list of known spammers, and to contact the authorities for inquiry.

Well, there is a link to contact, so I sent the message that I am supposed to be rejected for being a known spammer according to a list used by them, but that is not true, namely, that I am a known spammer, anyway, thanks for the open invitation to register, and I am sorry that I am supposed to belong to a list of known spammers.

So, what to do next?

What else but just keep to this Christian Forums where there are also atheists, and investigate them for their fundamental or more correctly non-fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe.

[...]

Here is my answer to his email telling me that he might manually accept my registration if I would change my name, which I did.

Thank you for your kind concern to ascertain whether I am a spammer or not.

I am a Christian who like to exchange views with atheists in order to find out their heart and mind in regard to the concept and existence of God.

You are aware that in this internet world there all kinds of people with the same name, and one or more could be spammers, but spammers are usually into commercial purposes and not into taking the trouble and time to accumulate a sizable numbers of email addresses, or join so many forums in order to send what? the same messages to them all with one click of the mouse?


Anyway, I will change my name to Croissant Pancake, perhaps there will be no such name in your listing of spammers.

May I just propose that when someone applies for membership in your forum, and you find his name in your list of spammers, you can still take the chance or avail him of the presumption that he is not one of the practicing spammers, and see what he does in your forum, whether he is sending one message to all the boards in your forum, or to so many other atheists' forums and for what purpose? to hurl vilifying foul words on atheists, or he is just into sincere and to himself profitable exchange of views as also to readers and to the active posters in a board on ideas about God or no God.


Well, it is your call.

Now, in your country you have all kinds of inconveniences owing to your security concern, that is understandable.

But in a web forum?

I have seen things getting to be more and more difficult to get people to talk among themselves when everyone has to make out some symbols often almost impossible to determine what they are in Roman letters upper case or lower case, the best filter is simple like what is 2 + 3.

And that should be the one used by everyone who has an open invitation to people to exchange thoughts with him.

Anyway, as I said, it is your call.



Croissant Pancake


--- On Fri, 3/6/11, Adrian Hayter <adrianhayter@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Adrian Hayter <adrianhayter@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Registration Problem
To: pachomius2000@yahoo.com.sg
Date: Friday, 3 June, 2011, 10:58 AM

Your IP matches that of several known spambots according to Stop Forum Spam.

We are unable to bypass this restriction, although if you can assure me you are not a spammer, I can manually create an account for you.

Please send me your desired username.

Kind Regards,

Adrian Hayter

On 2 Jun 2011, at 22:57, Atheist Forums wrote:

> You are being sent a contact from Pachomius
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> Message:I am supposed to belonged to a list of spammers.
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> I think that is not true.
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> Anyway, if you believe that to be true, then thanks for the open invitation to register; sorry for myself that I am to you in that listing a spammer.
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> Pachomius
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> The member is guest.
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> Their contact info provided is pachomius2000@yahoo.com.sg .
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> Sent from IP Address: 112.198.79.29

So, you see atheist members here, we can all exercise the habit and make it into an art of civility in the exchange of such an explosive issue like God or no God, because it is the be all and end all for both Christians and also in their own way for atheists.

But we are all humans.


Now, I was a bit impatient in my other thread in trying to persuade posters to not stray away from the issue, and I even called someone a liar, and to the extent I started a thread to expound on how he is a liar, but the admin canceled that thread and I accepted their action, realizing that I had gone the wrong way.


Am I trying to convert atheists to be Christians here?

No, I am too lazy for that, I just like to write and express my thoughts in a way which I think is simple, clear, plain, and direct, though it might rub some people abrasively, but just tell me if it is all abrasion and no communication of any substance whatsoever.

And I will apologize and promise to rewrite as to no longer be abrasive.



Pachomius

 

[Pachomius]

I lost interest in your history of some internet forums about half way, and skimmed the rest of the thread, but you apppear to be asking which is the atheist concept of a fantasy we don't believe in. You might as well ask what is the Athest's non fundamental concept of the tooth fairy.

Well, calling God a tooth fairy is not exactly being intellective, more like emotive.


Yes, you just want to point out that God as concept the concept that is is just like the concept of the tooth fairy.

And I submit that you are missing out on the concept of God if you equate the concept of God with the concept of the tooth fairy.

Tell me what is your fundamental concept of the tooth fairy in relation to the universe?

Here, I will tell you what is the fundamental concept of God in the Christian faith in relation to the universe.

God is the maker of everything that is not God Himself.
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You might say that for you the tooth fairy is as good a name for the concept of the God in the Christian faith.

Now, you are not being original, because the concept of the tooth fairy is already used by tellers of fairy tales founded on popular folk imagination to keep children in a way entertained about the change of teeth.

And I seriously suspect that kids are just also playing the game with adults, no one takes the tooth fairy really seriously.


But the concept of God, the fundamental concept of God that is, in the Christian faith, in relation to the universe, has been already known to sober thinkers from since even much earlier than when an ancient text was written by one of them and the text is called Genesis, the first line of this book says that:

In the beginning God created heaven and earth. Gen. 1:1.
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Just say that for you the concept of God is just as impossible as the concept of the square-circle.

Then people can examine both concepts to conclude whether they belong to the same category of impossible concepts.




Pachomius

 

[Pachomius]

As an Athiest, would happily have a conversation with you through PM about my concept of "God"

You have raised so many very good questions that hit right at centre of Athiesm, I feel it would be much more sensible to tackle them one by one.

What about the distinction between the reality of the entity God and the concept of God?

You see, when we talk we are really exchanging concepts, unlike when we buy something, we exchange a symbolic also in a way a concept in paper or in metal, money, for something that is a real piece of merchandise like food or some article of everyday's home furnishing, say, a chair.

I cannot be delivering God to you as I would be delivering to you a daughter in marriage to you, if you be a guy, because God is so huge, bigger than the whole totality of all existence that is made by God, that is the material universe.

So, if we talk about the concept of God, that is much much more possible and convenient, than if I were to point to you God as the evidence for God, like I could point to you a panda in a park as the evidence that there is an animal called a panda.

Besides, if you are not acquainted with the concept of God or you refuse to acquaint yourself with the concept of God, then no amount of pointing to God will be what you require for evidence that is sufficient to convince you that there is God Who is the maker of everything and he keeps everything in existence and in operation.

So, tell me can your think of a maker of everything that is not himself the maker?

Allow me an illustration.

A baker made a toy bread house, everything is bread, roof, walls, furniture; so we can say the baker is the maker of everything in the toy house that is not the baker himself.

Wherefore when I say that for Christians the fundamental concept of God in relation to the universe is that God is the maker of everything that is not God Himself.

Consider the universe is a toy bread house, and God is the baker, can you see the concept of God is not impossible?

Except, that the human baker did not make the wheat plant from where the flour is processed which he uses to may the toy bread house; but God made everything that is not God Himself.

Did he use anything as material? Sure, He used something as material, His thought.



Pachomius

 

[Blayz]

Well, calling God a tooth fairy is not exactly being intellective, more like emotive.

Actually, I think it would be down right stupid. Luckily for me, I wasn't calling God a tooth fairy. I was, as has been pointed out now by three separate people in this thread, drawing an analogy between the validity of belief in the Christian God and that of the tooth fairy.

Yes, you just want to point out that God as concept the concept that is is just like the concept of the tooth fairy.

Nope, you still don't get it. The *belief* in God, and the *belief* in a tooth fairy is what I am paralleling.

And I submit that you are missing out on the concept of God if you equate the concept of God with the concept of the tooth fairy.

And I submit you are completely missing the point.

Tell me what is your fundamental concept of the tooth fairy in relation to the universe?

That there is no evidence that he/she/it exists, and I therefore see no reason to believe in him/her/it. That is my fundamental concept.

Here, I will tell you what is the fundamental concept of God in the Christian faith in relation to the universe.

You could have followed this line with, quite literally, anything, and it would have no bearing on the lack of evidence fro his existence, and the lack of my belief that stems from that lack of evidence.

You might say that for you the tooth fairy is as good a name for the concept of the God in the Christian faith.

Except I wouldn't. You seem quite keen on saying it though.

And I seriously suspect that kids are just also playing the game with adults, no one takes the tooth fairy really seriously.

And that is *exactly* my attitude to your God. I do not take him seriously.

 

[KCfromNC]

Well, I am glad that this thread is getting reactions from people.


Before anything else, this thread is useful for dis-entangling what exactly in the fundamental concept of God in relation to the inverse in the Christian faith, are atheists not happy with -- not happy with, to use a most descriptive phrase.

Or whatever they are objecting to, if they do object to anything at all.

I don't have any real objection if Christians want to believe in their concept of god. I just don't think their concept refers to anything which exists outside of their imagination. Why should I change my mind?

So, if they be really concerned with the concept, then they should point out what in the concept is impossible

Why? No one's claiming that gods are impossible, just that there's no reason to believe in them.

For atheists who honestly don't know what is the fundamental concept of God in the Christian faith in relation to the universe, you really should get acquainted with the fundamental concept of God in the Christian faith in relation to the universe.

Why is it any more important than getting acquainted with the fundamental concept of gods in the Buddhist faith in relation to the universe?

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Are you looking for something like this:

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth.
And in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
and born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died and was buried.
He descended to hell.
On the third day He rose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven,
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty.
From thence He will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Christian church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.

Apostles' Creed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Lutheran because strictly speaking I belong to that denom.)

 

[jayem]

I think I posted my view on the OP's earlier thread. But if not, I'm a naturalist. Atheism as regards any supernatural gods is just a corollary of that. I believe the universe is matter and energy. Atoms and molecules in motion. No more, no less. It always has been thus, and always will be. There is no supernatural creator, sustainer, or destroyer. Pretty simple. I don't know what more to add.

 

[KCfromNC]

Well the username Pachomius does show up as a spammer in Stop Forum Spam, a plugin that some vbulltien forum admins use.

Also known as
Pachomius , Jayvee1987, balesterdabu , lSeymourHubbardq , nherbenbayot, pcfaster85 and a few others.

Add Ryrge to the list, from city-data forums. Although his latest one-liner is a bit more complex than the "Maker of everything having a beginning" stuff in every one of his posts there.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Well the username Pachomius does show up as a spammer in Stop Forum Spam, a plugin that some vbulltien forum admins use.

Also known as
Pachomius , Jayvee1987, balesterdabu , lSeymourHubbardq , nherbenbayot, pcfaster85 and a few others.

Add Ryrge to the list, from city-data forums. Although his latest one-liner is a bit more complex than the "Maker of everything having a beginning" stuff in every one of his posts there.

There seems to be some sort of confusion. True, 'our' Pachomius, aka yrreg or ryrge, does travel the boards of the internet with his show. But I doubt it is the same person as the spammer from Stop Forum Spam.