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Would you be proud (in a non-sinful way) if your child became a doctor, helping the sick and injured? That is impossible for them unless they gain a proper education in biology, of which evolution is a key concept. And learning evolution is in no way incompatible with the Christian faith.

First off, evolution is not scientific fact. It's a theory. Secondly, the theory of evolution may be taught in the pursuit of a medical degree but believing it its veracity is, by no means, a prerequisite for a degree.

Either way, I encourage you to ask any more questions if you have them. This forum is not a place where Christians should be defending the Gospel. We are here to answer your questions. Not debate theology.

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First off, evolution is not scientific fact. It's a theory. Secondly, the theory of evolution may be taught in the pursuit of a medical degree but believing it its veracity is, by no means, a prerequisite for a degree.

Either way, I encourage you to ask any more questions if you have them. This forum is not a place where Christians should be defending the Gospel. We are here to answer your questions. Not debate theology.

God bless

Sorry; I'm quite passionate about evolution (both the fact and the theory ;] ), so I get carried away sometimes. Anyway, thank you for your previous responses. As much as I might disagree, they did offer much insight into what I was wondering.
 
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Sorry; I'm quite passionate about evolution (both the fact and the theory ;] ), so I get carried away sometimes. Anyway, thank you for your previous responses. As much as I might disagree, they did offer much insight into what I was wondering.

As always, it is my pleasure, insofar as I'm able, to share the truth of the Gospel with those who are genuinely seeking to understand the counsel of the Almighty. Please feel free to continue asking questions if you have them.

God bless
 
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Were you a Christian and he an athiest before getting married?



If he is an athiest, any promise he made before God was not based on faith in God. Therefore, while you may honor them, his love for you is based on something other than a desire to obey and honor God.

You seem to desire to equivocate your husband's decent nature with obedience to God. It simply isn't so.

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Yes, we always had our own personal beliefs.
Each of our beliefs have changed somewhat over the years as we have changed however Ive always been a Christian and since I have known him he has gone from Agnostic to Atheist.

He made his promise to me, to love and honour me, in sickness and in health, tell death do us part, not God.
 
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Yes, we always had our own personal beliefs.

Then you defy God's command to refrain from being unequally yoked with a non-believer. Either way, as you are married, the obvious thing to do at this point is to honor God in obedience as best you can and pray that He continues to bless your marriage. I pray that He does so, as I pray that He blesses your husband with faith, that he, too, may come to know the Lord and be granted eternal life.

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1) You discover that your young child's best friend is from an atheist family.
I would have no problem with this, but before my child stayed over at their house i would have to meet the parents, as i would with a Christian family also.
2) Your teenaged child begins dating an atheist.
This wouldn't worry me too much as teenage relationships are usually fickle , I would pray that the atheist would be drawn to God and that God would reveal wisdom to my child concerning His ideals for relationships.
3) Your grown child wishes to marry an atheist.
Being grown up my child would be free to decide on whom they choose to marry without my involvement. Obviously i wouldn't think this was ideal as i think without a foundation built upon God the atheist would definitely have different expectations from the marriage which would cause a clash, and perhaps a less stable marriage than with a Christian.
4) Your child becomes an atheist.
What could i do but pray? Obviously as a Christian i would be concerned because of my beliefs in an eternal hell for those who do not accept Christ.
5) Your child's teacher is an atheist.
Not a problem unless my child was young and vulnerable and the atheist was one which looked for every opportunity to 'disprove' God and mock believers. If this was so i would complain to the school.
6) Your new boss is an atheist.
Not a problem. I would hope i would treat them as i would a Christian boss.
7) A new co-worker is an atheist.
Not an issue.
8) An atheist family moves into your close-knit neighbourhood.
I'm sure i already live near people of different faiths and atheists. This doesn't bother me.
9) You are in a military unit with an atheist commanding officer.
I think this is a very good question and something i might feel uneasy about. If i were at war i would want the decisions made to be approved of by God.
10) An atheist wishes to participate in some secular church activity (eg-contribute to a bake sale, help raise money for charity).
I would be more than happy for an atheist to join in.

The majority of these questions are hypothetical situations to me but it was interesting answering all the same.
 
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Can I ask a question?? I am wondering, is the defination of an athiest, a person who does not believe in God?? If so, does the fact that you don't believe in him, admit that He exists?
One more question.... what's the year?? 2006 AD right? Another example that Jesus does exist and the entire society acknowledges the year... :) humm, interesting yes? The years go from the beginning of his death... that's 2006 years ago.
 
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Can I ask a question?? I am wondering, is the defination of an athiest, a person who does not believe in God?? If so, does the fact that you don't believe in him, admit that He exists?
One more question.... what's the year?? 2006 AD right? Another example that Jesus does exist and the entire society acknowledges the year... :) humm, interesting yes? The years go from the beginning of his death... that's 2006 years ago.

Yes, the general definition of an atheist is one who does not believe that any god exists. However, the fact that we don't believe doesn't count as an admission that god exists. Do you believe in Santa Claus? The Tooth Fairy? No? Does that mean you admit that they do exist?

As for the year, AD and BC are no longer used within the technical fields (and if they were, it would by written AD2006); they now use CE (Common Era) and BCE (Before Common Era).

Sure, when AD and BC were first introduced, they were based upon the beliefs of the era, but that in no way proves Jesus' or God's existence. And if he did exist, it's generally accepted that Jesus was born around 4 BC and died around AD 30. So the current year of 2006 bears no relation to either his birth or his death.

And don't forget, other cultures have their own calendars that mark their own beliefs. The days of the week are named after various Roman and Anglo-Saxon gods (Saturn, Woden, Tyr, etc.), so by your logic you must admit that they exist as well.

But, I'm supposed to be asking questions, not answering them, so I'll stop here.
 
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Ive been thinking about me having to "Submit" to my husband in order to be a proper Christian...
And him being an ATheist making this hard...

I guess I dont "Get" this.

The reason ...what if he was a Christian but lets suppose we were a SS couple instead.
A Christian SS married couple, then how would submiting to each other work as the "Head" of when we would both be the SS?

See...why can't I submit to him anyways as a husband? And he to me?
Should I not submit to him out of Love and visaversa? Submitting because I love him, doing things for him because I love him and again visa versa.
 
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A recent study shows that atheists as a group are the least trusted group in America, and are considered by Americans to be least representative of American values. In fact, atheists ranked lower than Muslims and homosexuals.

Now, I understand that many Americans may not agree with atheism on the whole (just as I do not agree with Christianity), but on an individual basis, are atheists really seen in such a bad light?

Which made me curious about how Christians see atheists, and got me wondering about how Christians in general would feel and/or react towards the following situations:

1) You discover that your young child's best friend is from an atheist family.
2) Your teenaged child begins dating an atheist.
3) Your grown child wishes to marry an atheist.
4) Your child becomes an atheist.
5) Your child's teacher is an atheist.
6) Your new boss is an atheist.
7) A new co-worker is an atheist.
8) An atheist family moves into your close-knit neighbourhood.
9) You are in a military unit with an atheist commanding officer.
10) An atheist wishes to participate in some secular church activity (eg-contribute to a bake sale, help raise money for charity).

I'm pretty much wondering what sort of situations, if any, would cause you to take actions to distance yourself (or "protect" your family) from atheists. In such situations, are your views hard-and-fast (my child will not marry an atheist) or are they mere preferences (I would rather my child not marry an atheist)?

I also suspect that many will not have any problems with any of the above situations, so to them I ask whether they would prefer a Christian over an atheist (all other things being equal).
My dad happens to be atheist. I mean I regret that he is atheist. But I don't have anything against them. You know in any of the situations. Are you sure that poll or whatever statistic thing you read is right? Because I just can't see that being true.

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Wow, So much to deal with.

I guess I’ll start with the basics, that would be the opening questions you have asked, and then work my way along.

I assume this is your first question:
Now, I understand that many Americans may not agree with atheism on the whole (just as I do not agree with Christianity), but on an individual basis, are atheists really seen in such a bad light?

To clear the air, Atheism is not disbelief, “I do not believe in a God”, but it is the Assurance that No God exist at all “There is no God”, so when people say that Atheism is the lack of belief they are incorrect, it is not the lack of faith or belief, it is absolute faith or belief that there is no God.

If they simply do not believe, that is Agnostic, some people might join this with what is called ‘Weak Atheism’. They live up to their name as well, being weak. Since this group is normally the left over’s that have either been beaten and squashed by apologetics on countless occasions and now have little recourse left but to give tired lines like “Prove God exists” or people that are just “Atheist” to “rage against the machine” and get attention. A Rebel type idea. Prime Traits would include comparing God to Santa Clause, or Big Foot, in a means to generate a ‘Challenge’ to Gods followers, by using ridicule against a persons belief in God, (I miss the Invisible Pink Unicorn analogies), normally Arguments by Outrage would be common, and the ever common assurance of “Faith”, I just “Disbelieve”.

Strong Atheism, on the other hand is a different world, these are the proud and strong people that stand up and make the statement “There is No God”, and they hold to this positive statement. Which ultimately leads them to provide the support for their stance, which might explain why some Strong Atheist become weak ones, but that is a whole different matter. These can be wonderfully moral and good people, but they have chosen that God does not Exist. Normally these are very rare Atheist, and seldom are they willing to get into a debate.

You have a Final group, that is the “God-Hating Atheist”: Now I know that some might say that this is a contradiction, but, sadly this is a real group of people (And Very Large), they call themselves Atheist (Sometimes called Message Board Atheist), but in truth they simply hate “Gods Followers” a great many of them (That I have dealt with), do not even understand what the Bible teaches, or the vast different paths of Christianity. What I could gather is that normally the case is they had a very poor sampling, from most likely Family, regarding Christianity, and have decided to reject it because of a personal grudge or perceived wrong done to them by those “Accursed Bible Beating Christians”, in the rare other cases they are seeking a crusade against what they perceive as an injustice and they decided that “God” was the fault, and all his crazy followers.

All three of thee of these people would claim to be “Atheist” and as a Christian I can not clearly tell who is who, as I would not mind so much my child being with a “Strong Atheist” as they can be some wonderful people, they just refuse the existence of God.

So are Atheist in a bad light, Not really, they have some how, earned every little bit of contempt that has been placed upon them by the religious world, just as “Christians” somehow have earned every bit of contempt that they have received. All groups shall suffer by the actions of their lowest common detonator.

I hope I have answered this question for you.

1) You discover that your young child's best friend is from an atheist family.

Is the “Child” an Atheist?
What type of Atheism does the ‘Family’ follow?
It has been my experience that self proclaimed Atheist family seems to have a level of apprehension and I have even experienced out right anger and outrage (Might have been controlled hostility) at me simply because I was talking about my faith.

So I would like to meet my Childs “Friend”, to see where they stood, and I would have to meet the family before my child would have been allowed to associate with them, so I could see what type of reaction my child would receive if she talked of her faith.

I know if my child was a believer, “Jesus Loves me” would just come out some time, and I would want to know the families reaction to that.

2) Your teenaged child begins dating an atheist.
Are we talking 13 or 19, what do you mean by Teenage?

Age is an important factor, so is gender!

My Daughter, I would have issues with her dating before 16, my son, I would rather he wait till 18. Just in case he makes a mistake, he would be old enough to stand up for himself and be a man, taking on the responsibilities of his stupidity.

As for the religion of the “Other” kid, not my problem. I have a say as long as my child is under my roof, after that, they are adults.

3) Your grown child wishes to marry an atheist.

I cool with that.

Just Tell me what Beach, Park, Municipal Community Building I should show up at, and the name of the Justice of the Peace that will be marrying them, so I can greet him properly.

4) Your child becomes an atheist.

Such is life.


5) Your child's teacher is an atheist.

Depends on the type of Atheist, and what subject they teach.

6) Your new boss is an atheist.

It has never been an issue, but if my Boss makes a deal of it, like saying things like “God does not Exist in MY office building” or making any other statements that conflicted or belittled my faith, I would have to quit.

7) A new co-worker is an atheist.

Unless they made a big deal of it, I would never know. If they did make a big deal of it, I would think they were attention seeking pathetic individuals, because I would assume they were playing on the idea that all the Christians should “Run right over and try to convert the poor lost man”. I would allow them to their peace, and leave them promptly if they brought up religion. If they bothered me, I would report them to my employer.

8) An atheist family moves into your close-knit neighbourhood.

Means less then nothing to me. But depends on how they present themselves.

9) You are in a military unit with an atheist commanding officer.

Moot questions, But once again, depends on the Type of Atheist they are.

10) An atheist wishes to participate in some secular church activity (eg-contribute to a bake sale, help raise money for charity).

Depends on the Atheist.

I hope I have answered your questions.

God Bless

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To clear the air, Atheism is not disbelief, “I do not believe in a God”, but it is the Assurance that No God exist at all “There is no God”, so when people say that Atheism is the lack of belief they are incorrect, it is not the lack of faith or belief, it is absolute faith or belief that there is no God.

If they simply do not believe, that is Agnostic, some people might join this with what is called ‘Weak Atheism’. They live up to their name as well, being weak. Since this group is normally the left over’s that have either been beaten and squashed by apologetics on countless occasions and now have little recourse left but to give tired lines like “Prove God exists” or people that are just “Atheist” to “rage against the machine” and get attention. A Rebel type idea. Prime Traits would include comparing God to Santa Clause, or Big Foot, in a means to generate a ‘Challenge’ to Gods followers, by using ridicule against a persons belief in God, (I miss the Invisible Pink Unicorn analogies), normally Arguments by Outrage would be common, and the ever common assurance of “Faith”, I just “Disbelieve”.

Actually, you are the one mistaken in your definitions. An atheist does not believe there is a god. An agnostic believes that one cannot know for certain whether there is a god. Agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive. Very few atheists assert that there absolutely is not a god. Most atheists are agnostic, agreeing that they do not know for a fact, but believing, based on the evidence, that god doesn't exist.

Consider this example. I ask you, right now, whether you believe there is a dog on my lap. If I tell you that I do not own a dog, you are likely to say that you do not believe there is a dog on my lap. But you must also admit that it is possible. So you are an atheist in terms of belief, and agnostic in terms of absolute knowledge. This is where the vast majority of atheists belong. It is called, often, weak atheism, although I hate that term. Atheism is atheism. It literally means "without belief". And I can assure you, as an atheist, never has an encoubter with apologetics come close to squashing my position. In fact, their feeble attempts to explain their fantasy world has only strengthened my disbelief.

Strong Atheism, on the other hand is a different world, these are the proud and strong people that stand up and make the statement “There is No God”, and they hold to this positive statement. Which ultimately leads them to provide the support for their stance, which might explain why some Strong Atheist become weak ones, but that is a whole different matter. These can be wonderfully moral and good people, but they have chosen that God does not Exist. Normally these are very rare Atheist, and seldom are they willing to get into a debate.

I get closer to that with every fundamentalist encounter, but I doubt I will reach it. I'm too much of a realist to rule out any possibility 100%.

You have a Final group, that is the “God-Hating Atheist”: Now I know that some might say that this is a contradiction, but, sadly this is a real group of people (And Very Large), they call themselves Atheist (Sometimes called Message Board Atheist), but in truth they simply hate “Gods Followers” a great many of them (That I have dealt with), do not even understand what the Bible teaches, or the vast different paths of Christianity. What I could gather is that normally the case is they had a very poor sampling, from most likely Family, regarding Christianity, and have decided to reject it because of a personal grudge or perceived wrong done to them by those “Accursed Bible Beating Christians”, in the rare other cases they are seeking a crusade against what they perceive as an injustice and they decided that “God” was the fault, and all his crazy followers.

I don't hate God, but I do hate what some of His followers have done historically, and what they are doing currently to hinder human advancement.
 
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Actually, you are the one mistaken in your definitions. An atheist does not believe there is a god. An agnostic believes that one cannot know for certain whether there is a god. Agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive. Very few atheists assert that there absolutely is not a god. Most atheists are agnostic, agreeing that they do not know for a fact, but believing, based on the evidence, that god doesn't exist.

No, I am not the one confused here. I would like to take this moment to enlighten you about your own stance, because you seem to be providing contradictions to your own belief.

Atheist:
1: the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2: The doctrine that there is no God or gods
3: Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods

If you are an Atheist, you can not be Agnostic.

Agnostic.
1: an intellectual doctrine or attitude affirming the uncertainty of all claims to ultimate knowledge.
2: The belief that there can be no proof either that God exists or that God does not exist.

So, just to help you out, if you “do not believe in God, because you do not know all the factors” that is referred to as ‘Weak Atheism’, also known as “Non-Theism” to some. But it is “Weak Atheism”, it is not Agnostic. But this is a common mistake among many Atheist.


Just thought you would do well with some enlightenment.

Consider this example. I ask you, right now, whether you believe there is a dog on my lap.

I would say, I have no idea.

If I tell you that I do not own a dog, you are likely to say that you do not believe there is a dog on my lap. But you must also admit that it is possible. So you are an atheist in terms of belief, and agnostic in terms of absolute knowledge.

No, I would be a Skeptic.
1: an attitude of doubt or a disposition to incredulity either in general or toward a particular object,

An Atheist is strictly reserved to God or Gods.
And Agnostic is reserved to know they can not know the absolute truth.

I believe you need to take some time to review your own stance and what you are dealing with. I am willing to answer your questions, but, this is becoming a bit much.


This is where the vast majority of atheists belong. It is called, often, weak atheism, although I hate that term. Atheism is atheism. It literally means "without belief".

I have answered this above, please review this, you can review at.

Dictionary.com

And for the record, Atheism not Atheism, it is divided into strong and weak for a reason.

And I can assure you, as an atheist, never has an encoubter with apologetics come close to squashing my position. In fact, their feeble attempts to explain their fantasy world has only strengthened my disbelief.


Humm, This comment makes you sound more to be in then “God-Hater” category, commentary about “Their Fantasy World”, and “Feeble Attempts”, nice used of derogatory, and belittling comments about Christianity. That would be a trade mark of this group. Just to give you some insight, as you seem to have current difficulty placing yourself. This might help.

I get closer to that with every fundamentalist encounter, but I doubt I will reach it. I'm too much of a realist to rule out any possibility 100%.

This is confusing, but maybe the problem for you lies not in the Terms of the different Belief structures but the means by which you use the word “Believe”

I think you might be using it along the lines of “I believe but am not certain” type of use, and if that is so, then that would explain your issues, and your confusion about the different types of Isms.

Belief:

1: something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat. (This is where you are I ‘believe’)

However, when dealing with “Isms” or faiths it is:

Belief:
2: confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief.
3: confidence; faith; trust: a child's belief in his parents
4: a religious tenet or tenets; religious creed or faith: the Christian belief.

So as it stands your confusion might be a simple byproduct of using the wrong definition of Belief.

This type of logical fallacy is called an: Ambiguity Fallacy.


But I hope I have cleared up this issue for you.

I don't hate God, but I do hate what some of His followers have done historically, and what they are doing currently to hinder human advancement.

So is this is an attempt to try and place your stance, my hope is that you come to terms with your belief, as I shall not try to convert you.

I hope I have answered your questions for you.

God Bless

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Just a reminder, this forum isn't for debate. The OP may ask questions based on the answers he is given, and he may seek clarification, but this isn't a place to debate the answers you are given. This also goes for Christians. Do not debate the answers other Christians give. You may do so in a number of other forums on the site.
 
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That statement right there proves that you do, indeed, not know of what you speak.

Umm, Ok, I guess my above explinations, and the ammount of infromation that I provided was of no value to you.

I can only answer questions, or correct wrong assumptions by seekers if they present that they are looking for infromation.

Go In Peace.

God Bless

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