Atheism. What are your thoughts?

[someguy14]

It really all depends what kind of heart you have.

Very true.
God judges the hearts.
Perhaps some traditions have hendered some in some some ways, yet Gods ways are greater and will overcome. God never fails.

 

[someguy14]

The universe is not eternal? When did it begin? The earliest point I know of is the Big Bang, which can't have been the beginning seeing as it was an expansion of "stuff" that already existed.

Beautiful!
Yes, as hard it may seem for some to expand and test it further, your mind appears enthusiastic to dig deeper and discover, "well, where did "stuff" come from"? Where did it come from? It must have come from somewhere, some place. The Holy Bible provides an answer for that. None have ever been able to provide evidence against it, because it is true. Testing the Bible with a no holds bar attitude and comparing with all things, I am aware that you will have to admit that it is very enlightening and new everyday and will provide you with amazement of just how magnificent it actually is friend.

As enthused as I appear to be about sharing this "Holy Bible" with you, I must warn you, Don't knock it until you have tried it. Avoid cursing it, because it is very true and will be a blessing of extreme preportions to those that truely find its beauty and amazement. You certainly do not want to curse that of which you hold very deep within your heart, and you may not understand how important that is, but as a friend, truely, please consider only speaking well of things you understand not immediately, until the full knowledge of them is present within you. May God bless friend.

 

[3rdHeaven]

Correct.


There is no evidence that that is the case. It was certainly an important event in shaping the entire universe as we know it, but there's no evidence the universe actually began with the Big Bang.


Indeed, hence why I said the Big Bang began 13.5 billion years ago, not that it was 13.5 billion years ago.


I cannot. Our theories take us as far back as 13.5 billion years ago, but no further. This is because the conditions at the start of the Big Bang cannot be accurately described by modern physics, so we cannot probe what happened then. So, there's a barrier, to pass beyond which requires better theories of high-energy physics (hence, CERN).

The fact remains, however, that all we can say is the Big Bang began 13.5 billion years ago (and is ongoing to this day). We cannot say if the universe also began then - for all we know, it could be 100 trillion years old, and the Big Bang is only the latest of many horizons beyond which we can't yet see. We cannot say what caused the Big Bang, we cannot say what, if anything, came before it, etc.

But, by all means, cite the evidence which tells us the universe genuinely began 13.5 billion years ago, with the Big Bang.

You seem to be outside of mainstream science as well

 

[Davian]

Where did your "God" come from? Or are you just going to assert that "God" gets excused from this requirement? That argument fails every time.

God never fails, friend.

God is eternal. That means God has always been, is and will always be. God is Spirit and a Spirit is everlasting, eternal. God is able to do all things. With God, there is no limit.

More preaching.

Are you here to actively push people away from your religion?

A warning though, God is love.

A warning? Whatever for?

Is is about the truth, though. How it became into being is very important.

Why is that while you claim to have the truth, what you post just looks like religion?

 

[someguy14]

A flaw in this assertion is that the universe didn't necessarily "begin to exist", as if it popped into existence out of pure nothingness. It may always have existed in some form.


eudaimonia,

Mark

The fact that you have considered eternity to be true is a step in the direction of beliving, whether you want to admit it or not. Just picture how scriptures of The Holy Bible mention eternity, thousands of years ago, without the physical technology of today. that in itself is amazing. Jesus mentions that eternity is planted on every heart.

 

[someguy14]

Not necessarily. We know the Big Bang began at least 13.5 billion years ago, but there is no evidence to suggest the universe began with the Big Bang - it could be far older, or even eternal, for all we know.

A super nova friend. We have witnessed super nova's. We have also witnessed people die. This earth is temporal. Eternity is real though. Space comes from somewhere though. How can this be?

 

[someguy14]

And a non-existent God is a non-existent God.

eudaimonia,

Mark

Yes. A non existant god is a no existant god. God is existant though.
All false gods fail. You can testify to that friend.
The one and only actual God, though, never fails. You and I are proof of that.
All false gods fail, but we are still here friend. That must mean our God is the one true God. For we are victorious.

 

[someguy14]

Change does not imply imperfection.



eudaimonia,

Mark

How does change effect the fact that every flesh dies?

If eternity is existing eternally, than how come death is part of the equation? Death implies that a renewing must needs be in order to give a temporal purpose. Yet a purpose that is eternal never dies. How come there would need to be an ending if it was perfect already? If it is perfect already, it would not need an end. Inwardly, all desire eternity. The Creator is eternal. So it is only natural for the creation to desire eternity. God is eternal.

 

[someguy14]

Not me. Existence without change? That sounds horrible.



eudaimonia,

Mark

Haha. That is just it though friend. Eternity holds all the cards. It is new always. If it holds all the cards, it must hold newness always friend.

 

[someguy14]

There is no "before" the beginning of time. You've just contradicted yourself, and we've agreed that contradictions don't exist, e.g., a tiger is a tiger, but not an elephant.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Haha. Time has a beginning and an ending. Tick tock goes the clock. Eternity has no beginning and no ending. Love is eternal. Love is love. Eternity is eternal and love is eternal.

 

[someguy14]

More preaching.

Are you here to actively push people away from your religion?

It is all about love friend. Truely and purely love, friend, and you cannot be found in fault with love, for in love, love for one another and love for the one that gave us all, is perfection. All desire love, friend. Your conscience bears witness to me.

 

[someguy14]

Why is that while you claim to have the truth, what you post just looks like religion?

Perhaps you have related to religion from what you have heard. Religion isn't bad. If it helps one another and encourages all to live life to the fullest and love one another. Your being on these boards, christian forums, shows that deep within you, regardless if you are aware of this or not, that you desire to understand it in at least someway. I am very encouraged by your display to be attentive to others posts. May God bless, friend.

 

[Spiritlight]

My thoughts on atheism.. a big void of blank.

 

[someguy14]

Could you do me a favor and let me know what your best piece of evidence is? I'd like to believe in a heaven.

Truely and purely believe with all your heart that God exists. All things are possible in those that believe in God, for God is all. Seek heaven and all of it will be revealed. Do not doubt. God is real and when you tuely believe that, you will testify that God is true. All of His believers have tested and found it to be true. The weakest are the greatest so throw your pride aside. We go through this together friend. The poorest are the richest so throw your trust in wealth aside. God is glorified in all of the least, and that alone in itself is proof of His power, able to lift the weakest, the poorest, the least to overcome the greatest. To avoid the fact that love is the greatest is to avoid the truth. Our God is love.

 

[someguy14]

Have you read Lawrence Krauss? He's an actual physicist. I mean a REAL physicist. His latest book explains how a universe can come from nothing without a god existing.

Where did he come from though friend? We are all subject to a greater. None is worthy of being better than its original.

 

[someguy14]

As humble as I must endure, I notice that God may have a path that reaches further into a certain area than some are gifted to reach. For this I praise God. And can hardly wait to view your glorious light, my friend.

 

[Ronald]

I am here to hear any conceptions you may have about atheism. I will then attempt to either confirm, correct, elaborate, or debate.

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened." Romans 1:18-21
According to this scripture, you are ungodly, unrighteous, unthankful, and even after His invisible attributes have been clearly seen -- you deny them!
Even Eistein after studying the universe for many years realized that there must be a God because there is so much order it couldn't have happened by chance. Matter does not organize itself. Stephen Hawking has answers that atheists cling to, but he is foolish. That's another verse: "He who says there is no God is a fool". But your argument of course would be supporting the Big Bang and on the side of evolution, a mindless process of chance mutations ordering themselves with mindless nature choosing beneficial mutations in a piece by piece manner to become complex, unique life forms, provided for in unique ways within a vast eco-sytem ... not to mention life spontaneously happening as a result of some chemical + electrical + electromagnetic + solar energies effecting some premordial goo and poof, millions of years later, you. (I could have broken up that run on sentence but heck with it!)

Let's leave all that aside and just look at you. Let's leave out all that the Bible says you are in denial of and start in your Mothers womb.

I'll share something from a book I wrote.

"Let's use another example, the human embryo. The male
sperm fertilizes the female egg. Why? What wills it to do this?​

Does it have a little brain to direct itself? Does it say to itself, “I
just have to get into that egg?” No, it has no brain. It swims like a
fish but in and of itself does not have consciousness. So what is the
causal force that wills these tiny cells? Again we nonchalantly
respond; [FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]“[/FONT]that's life!” But let's dig below the surface. There must
be someone or something outside of itself. Out of a million sperm
cells, one penetrates the egg wall, fertilizes the egg and mitosis
begins. These cells begin to multiply rapidly. Do the cells
communicate to each other? Are we to believe that there is nothing
outside of the womb organizing this process?
Let's imagine one cell saying to the other cell, “let's make a
human!” “Ok guys. We have a tough job to do. Did you do your
studies? I want no mistakes here. First we need to decipher the
billions of bits of information from our genetic code to organize
the trillions of cells into this complex body. We have to duplicate
ourselves, correct errors, make modifications, build factories that
manufacture complex proteins and amino acids and millions of
other precision tasks that are time-sensitive. All systems function
dependently on each other. You guys over there, make the brain
and nervous system and you on this side, the circulatory system
and you, the lungs and respiratory system and so on. If there are
any questions, refer to the code!” This may be a good idea for a
cartoon but it is obviously a ridiculous scenario. Those would be
very smart cells, smarter than any humans on the planet. Seriously,
they are complex cells but they are not the builders and brains
behind the operation nor do they organize themselves!
Since energy that comes from the sun or nuclear or
electromagnetic or electrical or any chemical reaction, does not
have intelligence to decipher codes and organize this mind
boggling task, it must be more than energy. This life force requires
intelligence and power beyond what we know. If it has a mind then
it is a person, an incredible being! And all living and nonliving
things depend on this Supreme Being to create, organize, grow and
sustain everything. One does not need to go back in history for
proof of God, just look at all the designs of life around you. Look
at the stars in the sky. Design requires a Designer, order requires
an Organizer, mathematical laws require a Law Giver and creation​

requires a Creator." RDB

Another invisible attribute is one that exists inside you. You say you have morals. A moral code or compass is evidence of God as well. Where did that come from? Your conscience says you ought to go this way and you try to rationalize or analyze it logically and choose the wrong way! The voice inside you telling you to do something isn't always you? Is that you arguing with yourself. You may say, your parents or society taught you morals. But this conflict within, just you struggling with yourself? And then what about afterwards, the experience guilt for doing something wrong even if no one knows? Is this a self imposed moral that we violate? Why do you feel guilty for anything? God wired us that way.
Even though you are not aware of it, he has led you to this forum. He orchestrates people and events in your life to lead you to a certain moment at which time He reveals Himself. Get ready, I'll pray for you.
Philosophy ... don't you love it?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Is is about the truth, though. How it became into being is very important.

In and of itself, certainly, but again, with regards to the topic, it's irrelevant. We're discussing ethics and morality, the ability to say "don't kill" without reference to the Bible. Whether the universe formed by natural, unintelligent processes, or was created by God, or whatever, doesn't affect this.

Where did a big bang happen though?

The Big Bang isn't something that happens at any one point, it's a phenomenon that the entire universe is undergoing. Every point in space is moving away from every other point. It's like asking what happened before the beginning of time, or what's north of the north pole, or who's the bachelor's wife, or what colour an invisible unicorn is - the very nature of the question renders it moot. It's not the easiest concept to get your head around, for sure, but it's robust.

You have to admit, whether openly or inwardly, that that is a very important part of the equation, for without it, a summary cannot be announced, only a theory.

I'm not sure what you mean. A theory is the highest echelon of certainty possible by science - atoms and galaxies are theoretical, after all. Be careful you don't fall into the, "But it's just a theory!" fallacy.

Anyway, as I said, the question ("Where did the Big Bang happen?") is rendered moot by its very nature. The Big Bang didn't happen anywhere, inasmuch as we can't point to any one point and say "that's where it began" - the Big Bang describes the expansion (the ongoing expansion) of the entire universe. There's no point where it began, there's nothing it's expanding into, etc - it's not that these questions aren't important, it's that the theory nips them in the bud.

The Holy Bible is giving a starting point, and none has been able to prove it wrong, and never will.

If you believe in Genesis is a literal, historical account, then we very much can prove it wrong. But there are many interpretations of the various texts and claims of the Bible, so I cannot comment on whether your beliefs have been disproven or not until you expound them.

Because God is the Creator.

Do you have any evidence to support this assertion?

God loves you very much.

Perhaps, but he's woefully lacking in his ability to show it. Suffering, tragedy, death, all have befallen me and my loved ones - had I the means, I wouldn't sit in the shadows and watch those I love "very much" live in torment. Free will or no free will, suffering is never justified, except possibly to diminish further suffering.

It is like saying, you carved a statue of a person, it is your choice to keep it or destroy it. The Creator of a thing has the right to do anything with his/her creation, always.

I cannot disagree more strongly; this view leads to the very wicked idea that a parent can do anything to his child, including rape and murder. The creator of a thing does not have the right to do anything he wants with it, as the thing itself may have rights which overrule those of the creator's wishes.

Suppose God did indeed create us. Why does that give him the right to say, "Stone gays", and be justified in damning us to Hell if we disagree?

Jesus teachings make it very clear that, "vengeance belongs to God, God will repay", and mankind is not to kill.

Note: Im not infereing to abortion. Life is a gift from God and abortion is murder.

I disagree. Besides the theological implications that, if life is a gift from God, then spontaneous miscarriages and life-threatening pregnancies and births are the direct and foreseen fault of God, I don't consider a blastocyte to be a person.

The Qu'ran still promotes lobbing heads off of infidels.

And the Bible still promotes stoning gay people to death. Context is everything, my friend.

Jesus teaches, instead of going to law, one with another, to rather take wrong and be a sheep for the slaughter. Love always and be at peace with one another, with ones full exent. Murdering is not a Christian way.

Which is all lovely, except it jars with what the Bible said. I again refer you to Leviticus 20:13, wherein gay men are condemned to death by stoning. A brutal and violent end to the 'crime' of being in love.

Christ, before being hung on the cross, could have called many angels to destroy each of those that attempted to harm Him, yet, beacuse He loved all humanity, He chose rather to suffer the pain and abuse in order to give all humans a chance to know The Father, God and His beauty and love that He has for each of us.

Personally, I'd prefer he spend his time helping the suffering. I cannot see the virtue in Jesus coming to Earth, suffering and dying and coming back to life three days later. I can see the virtue in Jesus clapping his hands and wiping out all famine and disease across the world forever and ever.

He is still alive and welcoming today. He desires to love each and every one, if they will come to Him.

And if we don't? The hidden caveat is, of course, that we go to Hell if we don't choose to love him. To me, that's a gun to my head.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

You seem to be outside of mainstream science as well

Your silence is deafening. I can only repeat my challenge:

"y all means, cite the evidence which tells us the universe genuinely began 13.5 billion years ago, with the Big Bang."

I'm a physics, I'm well aware of what the theory states, and what it doesn't. I'm aware of what the evidence is, and what notions it supports, and what it doesn't. If you genuinely believe that there is evidence that the universe actually began with the Big Bang, I invite you to cite it.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Truely and purely believe with all your heart that God exists.

Did it. Didn't take.

I'm hoping that's not your best evidence.