Atheism was easier before modern science

[quatona]

To you and others who said that you are sure about the meaning of your life:

Of course, most people can say something about the meaning of his/her life. But look at it this way: The meaning as you know it CHANGED and WILL CHANGE AGAIN (at the time you know better).

Yes, sure. Is that supposed to be a problem?

That means, you do not really know what is it.

No, that doesn´t follow.

A theist, any theist, has no such problem.

Again: How come you perceive this as a problem? And how exactly are theists exempted from changes in the meanings of their lives (and particularly from changes in their understanding of the meaning of their lives)?

 

[juvenissun]

Yes, sure. Is that supposed to be a problem?


No, that doesn´t follow.


Again: How come you perceive this as a problem? And how exactly are theists exempted from changes in the meanings of their lives (and particularly from changes in their understanding of the meaning of their lives)?

The problem is obvious: at the moment of your death, you still expect that the meaning of you life (which is going to be over) could change (if you ever talked to a terminally ill atheist, you would understand what I mean). That is a BIG problem.

For a theist, the meaning of life is given, and is never changing. It is only a matter of how close could one fulfill that meaning.

BIG differences.

 

[juvenissun]

Meaning in life does change in its details over time because you as an individual change. If you think it is static for one's entire life, then you are the one who doesn't know your meaning in life.


eudaimonia,

Mark

So everyone has his/her own meaning of life at different stages of the life? That is not good. It rendered the "meaning of life" meaningless.

Really, that is meaningless.

 

[quatona]

The problem is obvious: at the moment of your death, you still expect that the meaning of you life (which is going to be over) could change

Im sorry - I don´t understand this. Why would I expect the meaning of my life to change once I have died? And why would I even care?

That is a BIG problem.

Maybe to you. Maybe that´s why you believe in a God?

For a theist, the meaning of life is given, and is never changing.

Why is that?
What is that neverchanging meaning that all theists (whose minds you apparently can read, just like you can tell atheists what they perceive as a problem) believe their lives to have?

Actually, I have talked with countless theists, and when asking for the meaning of their lives, I got plenty of different answers.

 

[quatona]

So everyone has his/her own meaning of life at different stages of the life? That is not good.

You mean you don´t like the idea?

It rendered the "meaning of life" meaningless.

Why do you think that meaning can be meaningless? What kind of semantic game are you playing here?

 

[Eudaimonist]

So everyone has his/her own meaning of life at different stages of the life? That is not good. It rendered the "meaning of life" meaningless.

Meaning has context. All of the meanings of one's life are important and meaningful in their respective contexts. I wouldn't be surprised at all if one's meaning in life should change for different stages of one's life. One's life as a retired old person is likely to involve different pursuits than a young person just entering the work force. Its meaning will be different because the context will be different. One will even be psychologically different. That doesn't make life any less meaningful because meaning does not have to be unchanging.

Really, that is meaningless.

Not to me.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[juvenissun]

Meaning has context. All of the meanings of one's life are important and meaningful in their respective contexts. I wouldn't be surprised at all if one's meaning in life should change for different stages of one's life. One's life as a retired old person is likely to involve different pursuits than a young person just entering the work force. Its meaning will be different because the context will be different. One will even be psychologically different. That doesn't make life any less meaningful because meaning does not have to be unchanging.

eudaimonia,

Mark

"Drifting" is a term used to describe an unstable situation.
The meaning of life in your recognition is a drifting concept.
I don't think it is good.
Suit yourself.

 

[juvenissun]

Im sorry - I don´t understand this. Why would I expect the meaning of my life to change once I have died? And why would I even care?

You WILL care at the moment before you die. You changed a number of times on the meaning of your life in the past. You will not like the searching process. You may not even like the searching process right now.

 

[quatona]

You WILL care at the moment before you die. You changed a number of times on the meaning of your life in the past. You will not like the searching process. You may not even like the searching process right now.

I wasn´t aware that this was the prophecy and psychic forum.

 

[Eudaimonist]

"Drifting" is a term used to describe an unstable situation.

Yes, but I'm not talking about drifting.

When meaning in life changes, that doesn't mean that one is merely drifting in the sense of wandering about aimlessly or unproductively. Changes can be fully intentional, constructive, required by circumstances, and the product of wisdom and good judgment.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[juvenissun]

Yes, but I'm not talking about drifting.

When meaning in life changes, that doesn't mean that one is merely drifting in the sense of wandering about aimlessly or unproductively. Changes can be fully intentional, constructive, required by circumstances, and the product of wisdom and good judgment.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Of course any change has a good reason.
Drifting means continuous change, under control or not. Water moves a piece of wood forward. That is an example of drifting.

 

[juvenissun]

I wasn´t aware that this was the prophecy and psychic forum.

Bad response.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Of course any change has a good reason.
Drifting means continuous change, under control or not. Water moves a piece of wood forward. That is an example of drifting.

Water moving wood forward suggests that the wood has no aim of its own. Drifting suggests a kind of passive, aimless motion. That is why I am objecting to that term.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[juvenissun]

Water moving wood forward suggests that the wood has no aim of its own. Drifting suggests a kind of passive, aimless motion. That is why I am objecting to that term.


eudaimonia,

Mark

There are certainly many active drifting, such as roar a small boat in an open sea. In our life, we disguise it by terms like: discovery, improvement, etc.

Any way, I guess you are against a steady, not-changing value of life, which is posted by almost any religion. Is that right?

 

[Eudaimonist]

I guess you are against a steady, not-changing value of life, which is posted by almost any religion. Is that right?

I am against such meanings if they claim to be complete and exclusive meanings of life. They will likely leave one feeling that the specific and contextual purposes that one inevitably needs in life are not particularly meaningful, and may offer little guidance in the face of change. They will lead to rigidity in life.

I'm not against such meanings if they are abstract enough to encompass one's entire life, and are non-exclusive. This is possible in some cases, so I'm not going to make blanket statements about religion on this point.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[agua]

I am against such meanings if they claim to be complete and exclusive meanings of life. They will likely leave one feeling that the specific and contextual purposes that one inevitably needs in life are not particularly meaningful, and may offer little guidance in the face of change. They will lead to rigidity in life.

I'm not against such meanings if they are abstract enough to encompass one's entire life, and are non-exclusive. This is possible in some cases, so I'm not going to make blanket statements about religion on this point.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Eudaimonia; what if such meanings are correct/truth; does this change the conclusion ?

 

[Eudaimonist]

Eudaimonia; what if such meanings are correct/truth; does this change the conclusion ?

What if I am wrong, am I wrong? Yes, if I am wrong then I guess that I am wrong, but that is begging the question.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[agua]

What if I am wrong, am I wrong? Yes, if I am wrong then I guess that I am wrong, but that is begging the question.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Well definitevly if you're wrong, begging the question is irrelevant.

BTW it's cool to be addressing you because we haven't interacted in this forum, much.

 

[quatona]

Any way, I guess you are against a steady, not-changing value of life, which is posted by almost any religion. Is that right?

I notice that "meaning of life" became "value of life" in the meantime.

 

[quatona]

Eudaimonia; what if such meanings are correct/truth; does this change the conclusion ?

Kind request: Could you (or any of those that postulate it) tell us what this static, exclusive, non-changing meaning of life is?
Just so we know what it is you want to talk about?