Atheism is reasonable, and Christianity is not (Redux)

[ToddNotTodd]

You have your own escape hatch devised by not getting my point? Was Karl Marx not an atheist?

You should probably quit while you're behind. You're really not helping your cause, because anyone sitting on the religious fence can see your logical fallacies and dismiss everything you're saying.

 

[GenemZ]

Your 'point' is a vacuous naked assertion predicated on a basic category error - that 'atheism' and 'communism' are equivalent.



He was. That does not magically make 'atheism' and 'communism' equivalent terms, no matter how hard you want to play make-believe.

You have learned to hide yourself behind words and concepts that act as a wall to your mind. Also by closing your eyes just before recreating for yourself what was written helps you to evade facing what was written. What I said is not complex, sir... Its quite simple. You wish to only to keep keep kicking the can down the road.

That is why you will be without excuse. I am not going to try to play your cerebral game. I am simply telling you basic truths which you try to wrap in your own verbal webbing whenever the truth enters your web. But, you can't suck the life out of what it is. You can only leave it stilled and try to distance yourself from it, hoping to contain it from ever reaching its target. Like one refusing to answer the knock on the door.

Its all going to be painfully simplified someday. Then it will be too complex to evade.

 

[HitchSlap]

Its all going to be painfully simplified someday. Then it will be too complex to evade.

Lol... when logic fails, scare 'em with pain and suffering.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

Hilarious.

 

[GenemZ]

Lol... when logic fails, scare 'em with pain and suffering.

That's illogical. Can't scare you.

If people could be scared into Heaven all men would be saved. Believing in God comes from love for God, not fear of fire. Be confused.

 

[HitchSlap]

That's illogical. Can't scare you.

If people could be scared into Heaven all men would be saved. Believing in God comes from love for God, not fear of fire. Be confused.

Right, Stockholm syndrome... love me or else. It's an illogical gambit.

 

[GenemZ]

This getting ridiculous... There is nothing that can reach you. So, enjoy your belief in unbelief! Relish it. Savor it! Then you'll die. It was nice coexisting with you!

 

[HitchSlap]

This getting ridiculous... There is nothing that can reach you. So, enjoy your belief in unbelief! Relish it. Savor it! Then you'll die. It was nice coexisting with you!

Logic and reason have reached me. And I absolutely relish my current beliefs about the world. Maybe one day you too, will understand logic and reason, and begin to let go of superstition, and begin to relish life... because it's the only one you get.

Adios.

 

[GenemZ]

Logic and reason have reached me. And I absolutely relish my current beliefs about the world. Maybe one day you too, will understand logic and reason, and begin to let go of superstition, and begin to relish life... because it's the only one you get.

Adios.

What do you have then? Nothing.... Spppithhh! Like a drop of water hitting a hot pan.... and then you cease to exist.

Your life is no more important that Simon Willowsworth who lived five hundred years ago. Nobody now knows he ever existed. His opinions mean nothing. And, neither will yours. But you feel important enough to be here to try to reason Christians out of what you know nothing correctly about.

The religious are superstitious. Its why we have religions. Christianity is an open secret.

Hold your two hands out in front of you. Open and clench your fingers. Do it several times. Nothing caused that. No mind caused it. No mind caused your mind. That is what you stand tells me.

If I was stuck where you are I would be a most miserable soul. Because I for one would want real answers. Not some brave surrendering to facing my ignorance philosophically.

Don't be jealous now. God is real. Some can know. Why others do not? You can not even tell me. Other than to say there is no God.

Clench and open your fingers again. It all just happened by chance. Language happened by chance. Nothing caused it. Non intelligence caused the creation of intelligence.

What you think a matter (as I see it) of simply being capable of being dishonest with yourself. Intelligence can not come from non intelligence. Matter can not come from nothing. I am not dishonest with myself. Its why I accept something logically that is beyond me, but I know must exist. I am not apathetic to the challenge it presented me. Some are. Why? Why should I care? We're all destined for nothingness. So, why care? Glorious apathy.

 

[HitchSlap]

What do you have then? Nothing.... Spppithhh! Like a drop of water hitting a hot pan.... and then you cease to exist.

Your life is no more important that Simon Willowsworth who lived five hundred years ago. Nobody now knows he ever existed. His opinions mean nothing. And, neither will yours. But you feel important enough to be here to try to reason Christians out of what you know nothing correctly about.

The religious are superstitious. Its why we have religions. Christianity is an open secret.

Hold your two hands out in front of you. Open and clench your fingers. Do it several times. Nothing caused that. No mind caused it. No mind caused your mind. That is what you stand tells me.

If I was stuck where you are I would be a most miserable soul. Because I for one would want real answers. Not some brave surrendering to facing my ignorance philosophically.

Don't be jealous now. God is real. Some can know. Why others do not? You can not even tell me. Other than to say there is no God.

Clench and open your fingers again. It all just happened by chance. Language happened by chance. Nothing caused it. Non intelligence caused the creation of intelligence.

What you think a matter (as I see it) of simply being capable of being dishonest with yourself. Intelligence can not come from non intelligence. Matter can not come from nothing. I am not dishonest with myself. Its why I accept something logically that is beyond me, but I know must exist. I am not apathetic to the challenge it presented me. Some are. Why? Why should I care? We're all destined for nothingness. So, why care? Glorious apathy.

You seem like a person who does better with religion. You should keep it.

I wish you well on your journey.

 

[GenemZ]

You seem like a person who does better with religion. You should keep it.

I wish you well on your journey.

Interesting.. You will deny it. But, you do better in having an adept misconstruing of what I have been saying. It might just be that bias filter that atheists apparently possess. Deny.. deny... deny.

Have an interesting Day.

 

[HitchSlap]

Interesting..

To be sure.

You will deny it. But, you do better in having an adept misconstruing of what I have been saying.

Maybe you should learn to say it better. Don't blame the listener for your inability to articulate clearly. If I'm "not getting it," then maybe you're not getting it.

It might just be that bias filter that atheists apparently possess.

We all have biases, but my worldview allows me to recognize when they're wrong, and how to correct them. From what I can tell, you have a Sunday School level understanding of Christianity, to which I've corrected you about a dozen times, yet you're to full of yourself to admit your blind spots.

Meh, I'm interested in genuine discourse. It's whatever.

Deny.. deny... deny.

You're a Bill Clinton fan, I see.

Have an interesting Day.

Thanks, you too!

 

[GenemZ]

To be sure.

Maybe you should learn to say it better. Don't blame the listener for your inability to articulate clearly. If I'm "not getting it," then maybe you're not getting it.

I have no problem with articulation. I realize that when I say something plainly which strikes the walls of another's biases its going to be denied no matter how many ways its explained.

In a nutshell...

"But the natural [unbelieving] man does not accept the things
[the teachings and revelations] of the Spirit of God, for they
are foolishness [absurd and illogical] to him; and he is incapable
of understanding them, because they are spiritually discerned
and appreciated, [and he is unqualified to judge spiritual matters]."
1 Cor 2:14​

 

[HitchSlap]

I have no problem with articulation. I realize that when I say something plainly which strikes the walls of another's biases its going to be denied no matter how many ways its explained.

In a nutshell...

Do you often consider those who don't agree with your religious views as not understanding? Do you allow for others to have opinions other than yours?

 

[GenemZ]

Do you often consider those who don't agree with your religious views as not understanding? Do you allow for others to have opinions other than yours?

Should I just agree with you when you fail to see what I am saying?

 

[HitchSlap]

Should I just agree with you when you fail to see what I am saying?

You have trouble parsing out someone disagreeing with you, vs. not understanding you.

 

[GenemZ]

You have trouble parsing out someone disagreeing with you, vs. not understanding you.

First. You do not understand me. You only assume you do. My guess is that you project yourself into my situation and only understand how you would be if you spoke like I do.

Just the same. Why argue about it when someone says you are not being clear? When, if one is being clear, it would not make sense anyway?

You're an atheist. You are not an atheist because of others are being illogical with you. Its because when they are speaking what they do know? You have no capacity for it.

There was a reason Jesus called certain men with very high natural perspicacity, "blind." Others could see what he was getting at. But not the ones he spoke about.

Sorry, sir. Apparently I came here being a bit too optimistic.

 

[HitchSlap]

First. You do not understand me. You only assume you do. My guess is that you project yourself into my situation and only understand how you would be if you spoke like I do.

Just the same. Why argue about it when someone says you are not being clear? When, if one is being clear, it would not make sense anyway?

You're an atheist. You are not an atheist because of others are being illogical with you. Its because when they are speaking what they do know? You have no capacity for it.

There was a reason Jesus called certain men with very high natural perspicacity, "blind." Others could see what he was getting at. But not the ones he spoke about.

Sorry, sir. Apparently I came here being a bit too optimistic.

No soul notched on your belt today, I guess.

Let's start over. Ask me anything you'd like to.

 

[GenemZ]

Let's start over. Ask me anything you'd like to.

You grew up around believers. Correct?

 

[HitchSlap]

You grew up around believers. Correct?

Correct.