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Atheism and Self-Esteem

Humanista

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Npetreley, let's look at this from the other side.

You obviously disagree with my statement that concepts such as morality, democracy--language could be included here, even---exist outside human thought. Let's explore that and see where it leads, using the npetreley method of reasoning.

Morality exists independently of humans to come up with moral concepts, is the position of npetreley.

Is morality floating around in the air? Does it come to us riding on light beams? Or does your god, who perhaps conceptualizes it itself,--does he beam these concepts telepathically into the brains of humans?

The existence of morals among non-Christians and non-theists proves that it is not being taught by the Bible.

Therefore, to use npetreley's logic, the Christian worldview is that not only are humans depraved and evil by nature, they are also incredibly stupid. They cannot fathom, left to their own devices, either individually or as a society , even over thousands of years, that murder is wrong.

Apparently, humanity is evil, moronic, and more or less a bunch of mindless robots, waiting to be programmed with god's concepts, since that is where all ideas originate. Thomas Jefferson and the other founding fathers obviously couldn't have created the idea of a democracy based on an understanding of past human concepts such as freedom of individuals--no, since concepts exist OUTSIDE any human's brain, they were simply innoculated with the concept by some supernatural creature.

The Bible teaches --if you read it literally---that language was created by a god. LInguistsics and language deveopment is far beyond the ability of mere stupid humans. Such abstract ideas and symbolism MUST be floating out there in the ether, waiting for humans to absorb it by osmosis.

Tell me, npetreley, do you think any idea YOU have ever had really originated in YOUR head? What makes you think YOU have ever had a concept of your own, given that your worldview says concepts come from something outside of human thought?
 
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Originally posted by Humanista
Npetreley, let's look at this from the other side. You obviously disagree with my statement

Obviously, I do. But since I never gave you my opinion of what morality is and where it comes from, the rest of your post is just you arguing with your own fantasy of what I think. As such, it doesn't deserve a reply.
 
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Originally posted by npetreley
Obviously, I do. But since I never gave you my opinion of what morality is and where it comes from, the rest of your post is just you arguing with your own fantasy of what I think. As such, it doesn't deserve a reply.

I'm just following your example, as you spin a fantasy of what you imagine I think.

Funny how you run and hide when someone does unto you as you do to them. LOL!
 
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Perhaps God was never well defined either by the Bible, or anyone or anything. Some people read the Bible differently, y'know? Some people think God as more of an ominous energy field of existence rather than a big guy in the sky.

Why are we as Christians debating things that don't really matter? Lets talk about helping people an stuff. =) Even if God doesn't exist, helping people would be what He'd want us to do.
 
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Why are we as Christians debating things that don't really matter? Lets talk about helping people an stuff. =) Even if God doesn't exist, helping people would be what He'd want us to do.

That's what EVERYONE in the world should start doing. I'm an atheist, but I want to help mankind........

I would hope that God would see that I'm a good person at heart, rather than uppercut me into a flaming pit for all eternity because I saw no reason to believe in him.
 
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monkeypsycho>> its you, and only you, that can bring yourself closer to God. Personally, Christ helps me to be closer to God, but I only say this because Ive read, studied and intimately involved myself with His teachings, which I believe helped me get closer to God. some might say that I'm against scripture "through Me is the only way to God", but Im pretty positive that Christ(God in human form) was still pretty omnipresent and omnipotent everywhere in everyway, and if God is omnipresent, that means Hes within everywhere and everything, including paths that have not heard of Christ's teachings.

everyone knows you're a good person, and its the intrinsic value inside that counts, even if we cant see it, measure it, or observe it, but we can still feel it.
 
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worst necro?

Shortened form of necromancer, used online to describe the act of bringing a very old thread back from the grave in order to speak to posters that likely haven't visited the site in years.
 
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