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The OT and Revelation are about hope and restoration. They are most certainly NOT "nothing but fear."
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So you reject the OT and Revelation which spells nothing but fear?
Nope? I ran into another poster on another forum who used Nope as a favorite word. Have you run into me before?
Nope, I simply don't follow a fear-based Christianity in which God is viewed as petty, abusive, cruel, and vindicitive towards his creation. It's a contradiction of his character and of the gospel (GOOD news to the whole world.)
Yeah, I mentioned your God is Omniscient but doesn`t use it so he can save sinners who don`t repent view, when I said you were rationalizing without scripture support.
And only one that has suggested God could be abusive, petty, and vindictive is you in response to any suggestion that God might punish sinners.
You are pretty much the same as most other universalists I have met. You will reject scriptures that don`t fit your theology.
A historical account of the life of Jesus, called a Gospel (capital G) is different than the message of the gospel (the gospel) which requires action on our part. "You must be born again."Yes it is the same definition. Why do you think I’m describing a different definition here? How does this mean something different than the good news of Christ?
Perhaps you don't understand Universal Restorationism. You are halfway there.I am not a universalist. We have the choice to reject God's gift of grace.
What becomes of those who reject it?I am not a universalist. We have the choice to reject God's gift of grace.
“For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” Galatians 5:3–4 (KJV 1900)
I believe Paul is showing how apostasy works and warning them against it. But many do this and cannot repent according to Hebrews 6. Any who plan to sacrifice in a Millennial temple have already crossed the line as I see it.
What becomes of those who reject it?
And what about those who have never heard?
If you are right, then Hebrews 6 comes into play. Which means they were never saved. I doubt you are right.The KJV doesn’t really convey the message Paul was sending according to the Greek text. The KJV completely omits the statement where Paul says you have been severed from Christ. Instead they’ve translated it into something completely different which is exactly why I don’t like the KJV. Instead of translating the Greek to English they inject their own commentary into the verses shaping them to better fit their reformed theology. It’s not surprising that a reformed theologian wouldn’t want to say anyone was severed from Christ, that might disprove his theology. The words “Christ is becoming of no effect to you” isn’t found anywhere in that passage. Here’s the word for word Greek text.
Galatians 5:4
4 κατηργήθητε (severed) G2673 V-AIP-2P ἀπὸ (you) G575 Prep Χριστοῦ (Christ) G5547 N-GMS οἵτινες (who) G3748 RelPro-NMP ἐν (by) G1722 Prep νόμῳ (law) G3551 N-DMS δικαιοῦσθε (justified) G1344 V-PIM/P-2P τῆς (the) G3588 Art-GFS χάριτος (grace) G5485 N-GFS ἐξεπέσατε (fallen) G1601 V-AIA-2P
Do you fear God?The OT and Revelation are about hope and restoration. They are most certainly NOT "nothing but fear."
Do you fear God?
fearDefine "fear".
fear
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- an unpleasant emotion caused by the belief that someone or something is dangerous, likely to cause pain, or a threat.
"he is prey to irrational fears"
Have you spent any time in OT studies?Then no. I don't view God as the equivalent of the scary monster under the bed who can be reduced to an "unpleasant emotion". I most certainly don't view God as *likely* to cause pain. Quite the opposite.
Had you defined what it meant to "fear God" as something similar to "having a healthy respect for and adoration for his awesomeness" then I probably would have answered yes.
Have you spent any time in OT studies?
Based on that, do you see God behind the current plague? The Holocaust? War in general? And other calamities that destroy life on earth?Yes, much.
Amen to that and we know God is Immutable. The same God in the OT( the flood, sodom and gomorrah) is the same God in the NT. Jesus warned us of the Judgment to come and Revelations tells us all about the future Wrath of God, His Judgments, Plagues etc.... that will fall upon this earth. The same Loving God in the NT is the same Loving God in the OT.Have you spent any time in OT studies?
Based on that, do you see God behind the current plague? The Holocaust? War in general? And other calamities that destroy life on earth?
We have two different Gods. So any discussion is a waste of time.No, I do not believe that *causes* all of these things. Rather, I believe that he primarily allows the consequences of the choices we make, including the extremely horrifying ones, and suffers with us when we suffer. He helps and restores us amidst the calamities of a fallen world and looks forward to the day when his creation is fully restored and the reconciliation through Jesus Christ is fully realized.
God is always working to turn what is evil into good.
Does he *sometimes* discipline? Yes. But not for the purpose of causing pain and suffering. Even with Israel and then Judah, he was preparing the way for a Shepherd and not the seemingly endless line of fallible human kings who mostly did evil and caused hardship and pain for those they ruled (as God predicted they would when the people demanded a king and God allowed it.)
Over and over and over God gives us choices, but does not promise that we will be exempt from the consequences of those choices, or even the choices that others make.
I don't worship God because I am terrified to do otherwise. What a horrible way to live with someone! I worship God because (though not limited to these things) I see his great goodness, his love, his joy in his creation, his neverending compassion even for those who continue to hurt him, and because he is trustworthy and keeps his promises.
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