At Crossroads -- Cf's Vision Discussion Thread - Please Vote in Poll Thread

[intricatic]

I thought that was what got us in this mess in the first place.

Shh... don't speak the obvious. You might cause someone's head to explode.

 

[CaDan]

I thought that was what got us in this mess in the first place.

That and some hard trolling.

 

[Beastt]

Option 2

It's amazing to me that Christians are continually complaining that people hate them or have oppressed them in the past or don't treat them well. Yet when nonChristians ask to be treated as equals, look what happens!

Apparently the majority of Christians can't stand the idea of treating nonChristians as equals. Though of lesser consequence (at present), it's reminiscent of how slaves must have felt in America before the Emancipation Proclamation. Some people wanted slaves to be seen as and treated as people, and others, couldn't stand the idea. They screamed that if blacks were treated just like whites, there would be murders, crimes and persecution of whites. They cautioned everyone that the blacks would "take over".

Well here we are again, almost 150-years later and we see that at least one segment of the population hasn't learned a thing. Christians are now shouting that if nonChristians receive the same treatment Christians receive, their entire way of life, (so far as the web site goes), will crumble away beneath them. And if that's the case, then it's a system which should crumble away.

You have to start learning to treat people like people. You don't treat them like Jews, or pagans, or Muslims or Atheists. Treat us like people. That's what we are. We are no less people than you are, despite our difference of beliefs.

For all of those who wonder why Christians aren't treated well, it's not because of some biblical prophecy, it's not because we don't like the color of your hair, your car, the size of your church or the symbol you so often wear around your neck. It's not even because you don't want to treat others the way you would be treated yourself. It's because so many of you honestly believe that you have been bestowed with a greater sense of entitlement. You actually believe that you're better than all nonChristians. You can't stand the idea of not being treated better than all of those around you.

That's why you're treated with such hatred by some -- because that's what you emanate -- hatred. You simply can't love your neighbor while you're treating them as less than yourself. Loving your neighbor is not the same as loving your pet where you allow it in your house but feed it cheaper food, wouldn't allow it on the furniture with you or even leave it tied up in the yard while you rest comfortably in your home. We're not your pets and we're not lesser beings than you. If you keep treating us as lesser beings, you'll not only prove that you deserve the poor treatment you've received, you'll prove that none of what Christianity is supposed to mean really matters to you at all. It's all about elitism and entitlement.

Is it any wonder so many of us come to this site and walk away in sickened disgust?

So keep it up. Keep treating everyone else like we're your inferiors and keep complaining that others don't treat you well. Perhaps when you've pushed so far that the only place left for you are isolated communities where you can live in the mistaken belief that you're superior to everyone else, some of you will begin to wonder.

 

[Inan3]

I really, really appreciate this post. It is what I have been saying too. Safety isn't for Christians, but even so, no one can harm us unless God allows it.

Then why are we warned to be sober, vigilant. If God's going to do it we shouldn't need to bother.

1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

1Pe 5:9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

We wouldn't need any armour either, would we?

Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Quite the contrary. We are admonished and warned:

Eph 6:12 For we (not God) wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you (this is our job) the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

The devil does not want us to fellowship. He doesn't want a Christian Forum. He will try to destroy it from within and without. Don't be deceived. It is naive to think that we have nothing to do to protect ourselves and quite frankly dangerous.

Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge[/B][/COLOR][/COLOR]: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.


It is because Christians have thought God would protect them that we now live in a age where we can't display the Ten commandments or have a Nativity Scene in public places. It is only because Christians are standing for what is right lately that we are beginning to get some of our liberties returned to us.

If we want a "Christian" forum where we can minister to both the Christian community and the non believer than we have to say no to ANY compromise that will eventually "snatch awary" or destroy our present liberties and fellowship.


You know the old addage that one bad apple ruins the whole bunch, whereas 2000 good apples never make the bad apple good again.

Scriptually speaking: BEWARE A little leaven leaveneth the WHOLE lump.

 

[intricatic]

It's amazing to me that Christians are continually complaining that people hate them or have oppressed them in the past or don't treat them well. Yet when nonChristians ask to be treated as equals, look what happens!

Apparently the majority of Christians can't stand the idea of treating nonChristians as equals. Though of lesser consequence (at present), it's reminiscent of how slaves must have felt in America before the Emancipation Proclamation. Some people wanted slaves to be seen as and treated as people, and others, couldn't stand the idea. They screamed that if blacks were treated just like whites, there would be murders, crimes and persecution of whites. They cautioned everyone that the blacks would "take over".

Well here we are again, almost 150-years later and we see that at least one segment of the population hasn't learned a thing. Christians are now shouting that if nonChristians receive the same treatment Christians receive, their entire way of life, (so far as the web site goes), will crumble away beneath them. And if that's the case, then it's a system which should crumble away.

You have to start learning to treat people like people. You don't treat them like Jews, or pagans, or Muslims or Atheists. Treat us like people. That's what we are. We are no less people than you are, despite our difference of beliefs.

For all of those who wonder why Christians aren't treated well, it's not because of some biblical prophecy, it's not because we don't like the color of your hair, your car, the size of your church or the symbol you so often wear around your neck. It's not even because you don't want to treat others the way you would be treated yourself. It's because so many of you honestly believe that you have been bestowed with a greater sense of entitlement. You actually believe that you're better than all nonChristians. You can't stand the idea of not being treated better than all of those around you.

That's why you're treated with such hatred by some -- because that's what you emanate -- hatred. You simply can't love your neighbor while you're treating them as less than yourself. Loving your neighbor is not the same as loving your pet where you allow it in your house but feed it cheaper food, wouldn't allow it on the furniture with you or even leave it tied up in the yard while you rest comfortably in your home. We're not animals and we're not lesser beings than you. If you keep treating us as lesser beings, you'll not only prove that you deserve the poor treatment you've received, you'll prove that none of what Christianity is supposed to mean really matters to you at all. It's all about elitism and entitlement.

Is it any wonder so many of us come to this site and walk away in sickened disgust?

So keep it up. Keep treating everyone else like we're your inferiors and keep complaining that others don't treat you well. Perhaps when you've pushed so far that the only place left for you are isolated communities where you can live in the mistaken belief that you're superior to everyone else, some of you will begin to wonder.

Oh, please. Not again.

 

[Timothy]

It's amazing to me that Christians are continually complaining that people hate them or have oppressed them in the past or don't treat them well. Yet when nonChristians ask to be treated as equals, look what happens!

Apparently the majority of Christians can't stand the idea of treating nonChristians as equals. Though of lesser consequence (at present), it's reminiscent of how slaves must have felt in America before the Emancipation Proclamation. Some people wanted slaves to be seen as and treated as people, and others, couldn't stand the idea. They screamed that if blacks were treated just like whites, there would be murders, crimes and persecution of whites. They cautioned everyone that the blacks would "take over".

Well here we are again, almost 150-years later and we see that at least one segment of the population hasn't learned a thing. Christians are now shouting that if nonChristians receive the same treatment Christians receive, their entire way of life, (so far as the web site goes), will crumble away beneath them. And if that's the case, then it's a system which should crumble away.

You have to start learning to treat people like people. You don't treat them like Jews, or pagans, or Muslims or Atheists. Treat us like people. That's what we are. We are no less people than you are, despite our difference of beliefs.

For all of those who wonder why Christians aren't treated well, it's not because of some biblical prophecy, it's not because we don't like the color of your hair, your car, the size of your church or the symbol you so often wear around your neck. It's not even because you don't want to treat others the way you would be treated yourself. It's because so many of you honestly believe that you have been bestowed with a greater sense of entitlement. You actually believe that you're better than all nonChristians. You can't stand the idea of not being treated better than all of those around you.

That's why you're treated with such hatred by some -- because that's what you emanate -- hatred. You simply can't love your neighbor while you're treating them as less than yourself. Loving your neighbor is not the same as loving your pet where you allow it in your house but feed it cheaper food, wouldn't allow it on the furniture with you or even leave it tied up in the yard while you rest comfortably in your home. We're not animals and we're not lesser beings than you. If you keep treating us as lesser beings, you'll not only prove that you deserve the poor treatment you've received, you'll prove that none of what Christianity is supposed to mean really matters to you at all. It's all about elitism and entitlement.

Is it any wonder so many of us come to this site and walk away in sickened disgust?

So keep it up. Keep treating everyone else like we're your inferiors and keep complaining that others don't treat you well. Perhaps when you've pushed so far that the only place left for you are isolated communities where you can live in the mistaken belief that you're superior to everyone else, some of you will begin to wonder.

Call me when you actually listen to the truth--it has nothing to do with equality.

 

[Glass*Soul]

Edited at poster's request

 

[Epiphanygirl]

You hit the nail on its head!

ERWIN - PLEASE stick to decisions you make!

Yes, especially the ones you made before 777

 

[intricatic]

Yes, especially the ones you made before 777

Amen and amen.

 

[dignitized]

Anyone else see the irony that the mods active in this thread, keeping the original poll open, etc. are Sparklecat and Raven, and that they've been even-handed and levelheaded, despite so many insulting their capability to mod this site?

BUT BUT BUT . . . . .


Yea I know. There are people who seem to think that Christian=good and not Christian = evil. Sorry, but I am not a calvinist and that kind of Calvinistic reasoning should not dominate a site dedicated to CHRISTIANITY as a whole. There is a simple fact that too many are overlooking - not everyone who claims to be Christian IS. How many non-Christians who claimed to be Christian have joined staff over the years?

 

[Epiphanygirl]

It's amazing to me that Christians are continually complaining that people hate them or have oppressed them in the past or don't treat them well. Yet when nonChristians ask to be treated as equals, look what happens!

Apparently the majority of Christians can't stand the idea of treating nonChristians as equals. Though of lesser consequence (at present), it's reminiscent of how slaves must have felt in America before the Emancipation Proclamation. Some people wanted slaves to be seen as and treated as people, and others, couldn't stand the idea. They screamed that if blacks were treated just like whites, there would be murders, crimes and persecution of whites. They cautioned everyone that the blacks would "take over".

Well here we are again, almost 150-years later and we see that at least one segment of the population hasn't learned a thing. Christians are now shouting that if nonChristians receive the same treatment Christians receive, their entire way of life, (so far as the web site goes), will crumble away beneath them. And if that's the case, then it's a system which should crumble away.

You have to start learning to treat people like people. You don't treat them like Jews, or pagans, or Muslims or Atheists. Treat us like people. That's what we are. We are no less people than you are, despite our difference of beliefs.

For all of those who wonder why Christians aren't treated well, it's not because of some biblical prophecy, it's not because we don't like the color of your hair, your car, the size of your church or the symbol you so often wear around your neck. It's not even because you don't want to treat others the way you would be treated yourself. It's because so many of you honestly believe that you have been bestowed with a greater sense of entitlement. You actually believe that you're better than all nonChristians. You can't stand the idea of not being treated better than all of those around you.

That's why you're treated with such hatred by some -- because that's what you emanate -- hatred. You simply can't love your neighbor while you're treating them as less than yourself. Loving your neighbor is not the same as loving your pet where you allow it in your house but feed it cheaper food, wouldn't allow it on the furniture with you or even leave it tied up in the yard while you rest comfortably in your home. We're not animals and we're not lesser beings than you. If you keep treating us as lesser beings, you'll not only prove that you deserve the poor treatment you've received, you'll prove that none of what Christianity is supposed to mean really matters to you at all. It's all about elitism and entitlement.

Is it any wonder so many of us come to this site and walk away in sickened disgust?

So keep it up. Keep treating everyone else like we're your inferiors and keep complaining that others don't treat you well. Perhaps when you've pushed so far that the only place left for you are isolated communities where you can live in the mistaken belief that you're superior to everyone else, some of you will begin to wonder.

Honestly, why did you come to this site to begin with? What made you, an atheist, want to join a place called "Christian Forums"? What do you find on this forum that you won't find on an atheist forum?(besides God)
I see a lot of 'fancy talk" but all you constantly write down is how ashamed Christians should be for their behavior............your quite manipulative....but we're not that dense. Satan tempted Christ with a lot of pretty words and promises to ..............

 

[JeyJack]

I voted. We should accept everyone but only who really accepted Jesus in own life can say I'm a Christian

 

[Beastt]

Erwin has left the decisions in the hands of the forum members and that's every bit as it should be if CF is going to continue to call itself a "community". Erwin understands equality, love, kindness and the other values Christians toss about when they want to appear as good, caring people.

The problem is that Christians like Erwin are the minority. What this poll and discussion has shown is that the majority of Christians consider everyone else as beneath them and think it's absurd that anyone else should receive the same treatment they demand for themselves.

 

[dignitized]

I have to say - if you feel like you are being attacked on CF now, maybe the problem is not with the non-Christians, maybe the problem is with YOU.

 

[intricatic]

Erwin has left the decisions in the hands of the forum members and that's every bit as it should be if CF is going to continue to call itself a "community". Erwin understands equality, love, kindness and the other values Christians toss about when they want to appear as good, caring people.

The problem is that Christians like Erwin are the minority. What this poll and discussion has shown is that the majority of Christians consider everyone else as beneath them and think it's absurd that anyone else should receive the same treatment they demand for themselves.

You keep saying that, maybe one day it'll be true.

 

[FreeinChrist]

I always wanted to make the 1000th post in a thread.

 

[Inan3]

It's amazing to me that Christians are continually complaining that people hate them or have oppressed them in the past or don't treat them well. Yet when nonChristians ask to be treated as equals, look what happens!

Apparently the majority of Christians can't stand the idea of treating nonChristians as equals. Though of lesser consequence (at present), it's reminiscent of how slaves must have felt in America before the Emancipation Proclamation. Some people wanted slaves to be seen as and treated as people, and others, couldn't stand the idea. They screamed that if blacks were treated just like whites, there would be murders, crimes and persecution of whites. They cautioned everyone that the blacks would "take over".

Well here we are again, almost 150-years later and we see that at least one segment of the population hasn't learned a thing. Christians are now shouting that if nonChristians receive the same treatment Christians receive, their entire way of life, (so far as the web site goes), will crumble away beneath them. And if that's the case, then it's a system which should crumble away.

You have to start learning to treat people like people. You don't treat them like Jews, or pagans, or Muslims or Atheists. Treat us like people. That's what we are. We are no less people than you are, despite our difference of beliefs.

For all of those who wonder why Christians aren't treated well, it's not because of some biblical prophecy, it's not because we don't like the color of your hair, your car, the size of your church or the symbol you so often wear around your neck. It's not even because you don't want to treat others the way you would be treated yourself. It's because so many of you honestly believe that you have been bestowed with a greater sense of entitlement. You actually believe that you're better than all nonChristians. You can't stand the idea of not being treated better than all of those around you.

That's why you're treated with such hatred by some -- because that's what you emanate -- hatred. You simply can't love your neighbor while you're treating them as less than yourself. Loving your neighbor is not the same as loving your pet where you allow it in your house but feed it cheaper food, wouldn't allow it on the furniture with you or even leave it tied up in the yard while you rest comfortably in your home. We're not animals and we're not lesser beings than you. If you keep treating us as lesser beings, you'll not only prove that you deserve the poor treatment you've received, you'll prove that none of what Christianity is supposed to mean really matters to you at all. It's all about elitism and entitlement.

Is it any wonder so many of us come to this site and walk away in sickened disgust?

So keep it up. Keep treating everyone else like we're your inferiors and keep complaining that others don't treat you well. Perhaps when you've pushed so far that the only place left for you are isolated communities where you can live in the mistaken belief that you're superior to everyone else, some of you will begin to wonder.

What makes me wonder is if that's how you think then why do you want to be with people who treat you the way you say? I don't go to places that I perceive people don't want me. Firstly, because I don't want to infringe on their beliefs, opinions, manner of doing things, etc. and secondly, I don't go there because I don't want to be a part of it.


Secondly, we may be equal but we do not agree. There is a difference between being a religious person and being a born again Chrisitian. A born again person is born from above. A new creature. Alive unto God. We no longer think or perceive things like we used to and we know unbelievers can understand that. Not because we are better than they but because we have been there. We once were unbelievers and didn't understand either we were incapable as those who have not yet accepted Christ as their Lord and Saviour.


This should not be a problem though because you or anyone can do that right now and become a born again childe of God. Just ask Him to forgive you of your sins and give Him the Lordship of your life. Just that simple and then you will understand and fit right in.

Chrisitans are not perfect we are forgiven and changed. We grow and mature in spirit as a person in the natural does. We are all at different levels of growth but we all have one thing we agree on. Jesus is Lord and we desire to please Him and serve Him and trust Him to bring us to maturity in Him.

Come join us in the spirit before you join us in the forum.

 

[Epiphanygirl]

Erwin has left the decisions in the hands of the forum members and that's every bit as it should be if CF is going to continue to call itself a "community". Erwin understands equality, love, kindness and the other values Christians toss about when they want to appear as good, caring people.

The problem is that Christians like Erwin are the minority. What this poll and discussion has shown is that the majority of Christians consider everyone else as beneath them and think it's absurd that anyone else should receive the same treatment they demand for themselves.

The syrup is being poured on kinda thick right now Thats not the case and you know it, or at least you should.

 

[dignitized]

The problem I have with the whole thing is this

How many days will it be before it all changes again? I would call on Erwin to put on some big boy laundry and be a leader and let the chips fall where they may!

You know here in the US we elect a president every 4 years and then we EXPECT him to lead the country. Not to hold a referendum every 3 weeks.

My vote? Be a LEADER.

And Erwin if you are reading this maybe now you will know how hard it really is to lead. Because if you are a leader some one is going to hate you.


PG

Please go back to running your autocratic site and leave the rest of us to hammer this out with out starchamber. Thanks.

 

[ChrisBot]

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