At Crossroads -- Cf's Vision Discussion Thread - Please Vote in Poll Thread

[FriendsFellowship]

Again I see the claim; rendered null and void by the insinuation that nonChristians aren't as good or worthy as Christians.

No matter who is in charge or what percentage of Christians are in the membership, if the site operates on principles of bigotry, then it's a site of bigotry and not one of Christianity.

Of course, Christians never tell non-Christians what we're supposed to believe

It's posts like these that might make some of the Christians on this Christian site consider voting for option number 2

 

[Lisa0315]

So you think that if one of those Pharisees repented then he wouldn't accept his repentance because he already had them in Hell?

RaggedRobin, If I had meant you, I would have said you, but I didn't. There was no one in my thoughts when I typed that except the Pharissees of the Bible. If you read yourself in my post, that is not my doing.

Lisa

 

[Debi1967]

Think Nicodemus.

Yes I was thinking Nicodemus already ......

 

[Beastt]

I already admitted to being the bigot you claim me to be ok and darn proud of it too because that means I am putting God first and not this false sense of equality

Where do you get the idea that acting as a bigot puts God first? Does God act as a bigot? Does the Bible tell you to act as a bigot?

Does the Bible (or God), say that because a person is an atheist they can never be saved? As we're continually told by Christians, all one has to believe is that Jesus died for their sins, though certainly even Christians are divided on what it takes to be "saved". Some claim acts can save, others subscribe to Calvinism and others suggest you only have to accept Christ as your savior. But the site, until recently (and now people are trying to push it back), required adherence to the Nicene Creed which is a document drawn up by men to try to limit the division within the Church, not a doctrine said to be divinely inspired by God.

Being a bigot is just being a bigot. It doesn't make you a better Christian or any kind of Christian. I recognize that this is just a tactic you've employed to try to escape the logic but you're promoting bigotry not Christianity.

 

[ScottBot]

If a Christian tells me, "That is not very Christ-like!", I pay attention. If a non-Christian points something out to me, I fall on my knees. Sometimes, those on the outside see far more clearly than those in the inner circle.

Lisa

If a Christian tells me I am not acting very Christ like, I am prone to accept that comment and evaluate it. If a non-Christian tells me that, I ignore it. What is the basis for comparison? Why would I allow someone who doesn't believe in Christ compare me to Him?

 

[intricatic]

If a Christian tells me, "That is not very Christ-like!", I pay attention. If a non-Christian points something out to me, I fall on my knees. Sometimes, those on the outside see far more clearly than those in the inner circle.

Lisa

Most non-Christians I've interacted with only see the external of religious practice, and not the internal. They see the aesthetics, but miss the meaning behind them.

 

[Debi1967]

RaggedRobin, If I had meant you, I would have said you, but I didn't. There was no one in my thoughts when I typed that except the Pharissees of the Bible. If you read yourself in my post, that is not my doing.

Lisa

No I seriously meant that as a question because Nicodemus was a Pharisee that persecuted Jesus and actually sent him to his Death and yet later repented and became a tool of the Lord as a Disciple

 

[Breezy3]

I voted for option 2.. but it is really not an option I would choose. However a vote one way or another seemed important, so I chose option 2!

*I am confused here so I hope my general discussion is OK! If not please pm me and I will put it elsewhere. Thanks!

This is a Christian forum and being a Christian means being a follower of Christ. That means being HIS example to others. It does not mean changing what HE stands for or becoming like non-believers, it means being examples of what HE has taught us. We know that reaching out to others, showing the love of Christ, and treating people with respect and dignity are important things to do. We sometimes forget that we are not of this world and are not to conform to the ways of the world. HE does not want us to change HIS word to make it more comfortable for others, HE wants us to uphold HIS word and live HIS word so that others can see HIM in us. We just keep on loving people even when we do not agree. We just keep on loving people even when they are very different from us. We just keep on loving people because JESUS did and wants us to do the same, but it does not mean we change Christianity to suit the world.

I love people. I think it is wonderful to have people from all walks of life be here so they can be exposed to the light. But, we must be careful not to allow the darkness to keep the light from shining. Otherwise we have failed the ONE who sent us here.

 

[kimber1]

I personally never said that in fact I defended you haviung positions within staff in the beginning of this thread when I defended sparklecat and ravenscape thank you very much

but only in "nonchristian" areas. why?

 

[MartinM]

It's posts like these that might make some of the Christians on this Christian site consider voting for option number 2

Those with remarkably thin skins, perhaps.

 

[zaire]

Why cant you have a place for discussion among Christians and then have a place for outreach. Pretty simple.

 

[Lisa0315]

If a Christian tells me I am not acting very Christ like, I am prone to accept that comment and evaluate it. If a non-Christian tells me that, I ignore it. What is the basis for comparison? Why would I allow someone who doesn't believe in Christ compare me to Him?

Because with another Christian, it may be that we disagree on a doctrine. With a non-Christian, it means that they cannot see my light. That is why I pay even more attention to an atheist who says such.

Lisa

 

[FriendsFellowship]

Those with remarkably thin skins, perhaps.

Maybe, do bigots have thin skin?

 

[intricatic]

Why cant you have a place for discussion among Christians and then have a place for outreach. Pretty simple.

That be option 2, brotha man.

 

[MartinM]

I don't think the original intent of this site was for nonChristians to just be members, but for them to see Jesus and possibly be saved by Him... I don't think my ideals are bigoted at all.. I am not saying for all non-Christians to leave, I am simply saying they should not have leadership roles here.

Try to put yourself in our shoes for a minute. Can you see why this might look as though you see us as merely targets for ministry, rather than equals?

 

[Lisa0315]

No I seriously meant that as a question because Nicodemus was a Pharisee that persecuted Jesus and actually sent him to his Death and yet later repented and became a tool of the Lord as a Disciple

Sorry, I didn't understand your question. Thanks for clarifying. The reason I didn't understand is because that would be a Catholic tradition. I only know of Nicodemus in the context of John 3. Another conversation for another time.

Lisa

 

[Debi1967]

Try to put yourself in our shoes for a minute. Can you see why this might look as though you see us as merely targets for ministry, rather than equals?

That is the way we see you as we should

 

[MartinM]

Maybe, do bigots have thin skin?

Some do, some don't. Not all those who have thin skins are bigots, however, nor did I imply such.

 

[FriendsFellowship]

Try to put yourself in our shoes for a minute. Can you see why this might look as though you see us as merely targets for ministry, rather than equals?

I think you might have a slight misunderstanding of the Christian motive. There is equality. Everyone is an equal target for ministry.

 

[Brimshack]

When I was on staff, I only ever voted yes for candidates I thought had a strong ministerial approach to posting in the forums. This was, of course, after researching their post history, and/or talking to them myself.

Fair enough for a message board, and I commend you effort. But that's some pretty darn light procedures given the weight of the authority you claim CF mods carry. Researching post history and talking to someone is hardly a stringent standard for a minister. And we've seen the consequences.

Alternatively, one could frankly aknowledge that moderating a forum, CF or otherwise is NOT ministering.

Which brings to mind once again the prospect of creating a second ministerial team. You could make the standards for that team substantially more stringent than you ever could so long as you are also looking for someone to chase spammers and tell folks like me to settle down. You could actually ensure that everyone on the ministerial team is actually qualified to act in that capacity.

The teams would then work together as much as possible. Actually, I think that would be a dramatic improvement over the old CF wherein a teenager, a habitual liar, or an alcoholic could (and in some cases did) assert moral authority over the spiritual lives of people, wherein quite a few people asserted a level of responsibility over the membership for which they were completely unqualified and unprepared.