At Crossroads -- Cf's Vision Discussion Thread - Please Vote in Poll Thread

[Lisa0315]

I KNOW this is off-topic but while we are letting things cool down a bit, can someone tell me why Gideon Bibles are no longer in hotels in the USA? I just traveled to Tuscon and Sierra Vista, Arizona, and neither hotel had a Gideon Bible.

Lisa

 

[intricatic]

All I am saying is that the administration of this site has never been completely Christian. It didn't hurt a thing. Second, if one truly wanted to be on staff, all one had to do was lie about their faith. Finally, mods are not here to minister but ADMINISTER. There is a difference.

Lisa

I disagree; moderators should be actively attempting to minister to the parties involved, not just enforce rules.

 

[Freodin]

No, but if you were asking to take part in a ministerial aspect of the Church, or asking to help administrate or enforce the rules (in a much broader sense than what you provided in your example) in a Church, I'd have to wonder what kind of Church we were visiting.

Part of being on staff should effectively be a ministerial position on staff, that should always be a prerequisite for any staff position.

I still do not understand. Please bear with me, English is not my native language.

In what regard is "helping administrate or enforcing the rules" a "ministerial aspect of the Church"?

 

[Lisa0315]

I disagree; moderators should be actively attempting to minister to the parties involved, not just enforce rules.

Is that in their job description?

Lisa

 

[A New Dawn]

Then, let us DO both! Being a Christian means following the TWO commands. We are to love one another and we are to spread the gospel. They are not mutually exclusive. In fact, the more we love one another, the better we are able to spread the gospel, not with words, but by OUR ACTIONS!

Lisa

ummm......... I suggest that you read what everyone is saying, then. I haven't seen anyone say they want it to go back to the way it was, but to have a hybrid of what was, and what is. It does get a bit tiresome to see what just about everyone has said twisted into something they haven't.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Just as long as we're clear that they are, indeed, perfectly capable of doing the job, and you're objecting on ideological grounds. I've always thought it important to ensure clarity where naked bigotry is concerned.

You are capable of doing the job but biblically, you are not qualified to do Moderate the Christian sections. It is important for us to realize that the Christian to Christian relationship is very sensitive and vitally important issue part of ministry.

 

[heymikey80]

When you think about it, isn't the primary Christian belief all about God showing tolerance to mankind?

Actually no it's not.

If man is guilty of sin and the wages of sin are death and God has allowed that man escape that consequence, isn't that tolerance?

Not really. If that were all there were to it it wouldn't be tolerance -- it'd be Santa Claus.

It's so sad to be persecuted by people who proclaim a given belief but then don't even seem to understand the foundation of the belief they claim.

"Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me?"

 

[intricatic]

Is that in their job description?

Lisa

No, but it was definitely implied when I was on staff last.

If it's not in their job description, it should be; it'd make the selection of moderators a lot better by placing a much higher standard on their involvement in the forums, I should think.

 

[Lisa0315]

No, but it was definitely implied when I was on staff last.

If it's not in their job description, it should be; it'd make the selection of moderators a lot better by placing a much higher standard on their involvement in the forums, I should think.

Well, things have changed. I believe the Apostles Creed is now a guideline rather than a job description.

Lisa

 

[MartinM]

I could throw baseless claims at you, but I seriously doubt that would do much other than insult you and bait you into insulting me back, which would just be completely pointless, so why don't we both take a step back and not go down that road, okay?

You want the non-Christian mods removed, not because they are not capable of the job at hand, but simply because they are non-Christians. That puts you several steps down that road already. But no, I have no interest in a flame war, so if you're not going to come up with a coherent justification for your objections, then I agree that we'd do better to leave it here.

 

[intricatic]

I still do not understand. Please bear with me, English is not my native language.

In what regard is "helping administrate or enforcing the rules" a "ministerial aspect of the Church"?

I don't think moderating CF should be about enforcing the rules as much as ministering to the members here; to stand as representatives of CF, itself, as the Christian Ministry it purports to be.

 

[ScottBot]

I disagree; moderators should be actively attempting to minister to the parties involved, not just enforce rules.

Part of Jesus' ministry was taking a fistful of cords and driving the animals and money changers out of the Temple. I am sure that the money changers thought Jesus was one big ole meanie. Does that mean that Jesus was not about love? SOmetime love means telling someone they are headed down a wrong path...sometimes bluntly if that is the only way they'll listen.

 

[GraceInHim]

Originally Posted by thereselittleflower
May I again propose that the REAL issue that needs to be decided FIRST is:

What is the VISION of CF?​

The current vision is undoable, unworkable and sets us up for failure. We cannot acheive the original vision as stated . . .it is not possible for this iste to unite all Christians in one body. It is a lofty dream, nothing more.

In order to determine between option 1 or 2 or 3 or any other option, we need a doable, workable, acheivable vision to reach for.


SO, I propose that the VISION of CF needs to change.


Instead of trying to do the impossible, unite all christians in one body, we should try to achieve something real.


I propose that we start with something more along these lines:

Proposed Vision:

Promote understanding, fellowship, and ministry among Christians to each other and to the world​

Once we have a realistic vision, then we can come up with a realistic way to move forward at this site.

makes a lot of sense

 

[intricatic]

Part of Jesus' ministry was taking a fistful of cords and driving the animals and money changers out of the Temple. I am sure that the money changers thought Jesus was one big ole meanie. Does that mean that Jesus was not about love? SOmetime love means telling someone they are headed down a wrong path...sometimes bluntly if that is the only way they'll listen.

I agree 100%, that's why I said "Not just...".

 

[MartinM]

You are capable of doing the job but biblically, you are not qualified to do Moderate the Christian sections.

That isn't currently happening. Indeed, the only way it could happen is if the majority in a Christian section voted for it.

 

[JimfromOhio]

I still do not understand. Please bear with me, English is not my native language.

In what regard is "helping administrate or enforcing the rules" a "ministerial aspect of the Church"?

Being a Christian moderator in the Christian section basically means of shepherding and looks back to the pattern of Jesus as Romans 12:8 explains "exhortation" follows immediately after teaching. The learned disciples are to encourage others to follow them as they follow Christ through their spiritual "wisdom" and "knowledge."

 

[ravenscape]

Please dial it back on the personal comments, especially comments imputing motivation of other posters. This thread has moved into flame territory.

Raven
Support Moderation Team

 

[Lisa0315]

Being a Christian moderator in the Christian section basically means of shepherding and looks back to the pattern of Jesus as Romans 12:8 explains "exhortation" follows immediately after teaching. The learned disciples are to encourage others to follow them as they follow Christ through their spiritual "wisdom" and "knowledge."

Yes, in the Christian sections. In the open sections, there is no need for moderators to be ministers.

Lisa

 

[Debi1967]

Actually no it's not.

Not really. If that were all there were to it it wouldn't be tolerance -- it'd be Santa Claus.

"Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me?"

Christ says it so well indeed

 

[Brimshack]

I don't think Persecution happens here either, at least I don't think that's the right word for it. The internet is voluntary and CF mods can't follow us into our personal lives or control our assets, work options or family structure. There is a degree to which talk of persecution does imply levels of control that just aren't present here.

That said, "abuse" is a very appropriate term for much of what happens on the net. When you interact with people on a daily basis for years they become part of your life and they affect you even in ways you may not like. Relationships on the net are every bit as real as those in so called "real life." And precisely because there is often more history to them than we have in so called real life, they can be that much more intense.

When moderation is unfair it does impinge on real human relations and it does cause real pain to people. There is a sense in which one can always walk away. On some level it's not really the same as a government coming in and taking your stuff, but it it's a tough nut to swallow just the same.

And that is preciely why it was wise of Erwin to toss the identity games out of CFs overall policy. It doesn't hurt people any less to show up and find they've been tossed out of their congregation forum than it would in real life. It doesn't hurt any less to find people are making inquiries into your marriage online than it would to find someone doing that in your place of work. It may not qualify as Persecution in the usual sense of some political injustice, but such behavior is certainly abusive. And that is precisely the sort of behavior enabled by the old CF, the same CF many here want back.