Even so - this is neither. This place does not even really exists as a place.
It is and remains a place where people can interact with other Christians - it is also a place where Christians interact with non-Christians as well.
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Even so - this is neither. This place does not even really exists as a place.It is a popular Methodist saying that a church isn't a building: it is the people who make it up.
It is and remains a place where people can interact with other Christians - it is also a place where Christians interact with non-Christians as well.Just because it is a message board doesn't mean it must degenerate into a social club rather than a place for Christians to interact with other Christians.
I'm saying that general human equality is different to shared interest (trumpets) or shared faith (Christianity) and that on those levels we are not better or worse, we're just DIFFERENT.You're suggesting fellowship devoid of equality?
A sax player can't fellowship with trumpet players in the General Forum at TH. Unless he's a trumpet player, is learning, is looking into it, blah blah blah.But it wouldn't be fellowship, would it? Fellowship suggests that we're the same, and as was just pointed out, atheists are not to be treated the same as Christians.
I'm not saying it's a Church, I'm saying it's ... a ....Sorry for coming back to this comment, but CF is always going to have secular governance.
Erwin is not a priest, and the board is owned by his secular corporation.
He may be trying to foster a Christian Community, but that doesn't make this a church.
The Christians still made churches and gathered together.Even so - this is neither. This place does not even really exists as a place.
It is and remains a place where people can interact with other Christians - it is also a place where Christians interact with non-Christians as well.After all, Christ called us to GO into the world and tell them of His love. He did not call us to build enclaves.
No, you just keep restating your position.
A sax player can't fellowship with trumpet players in the General Forum at TH. Unless he's a trumpet player, is learning, is looking into it, blah blah blah.
In that way, he is not "equal."
What is so hard about this? The Sax Player simply doesn't have much to say on a trumpet player's forum (unless he's looking into it blah blah blah).
He can fellowship all he wants in the Lounge, though. That's not a big area, however.
A Sax Player on a Trumpet Forum is not equal to a trumpet player, as far as his participation is concerned.
*singsong*I still don't see the problem...
As anyone who has a belief in anything, any other god.....they must be superior too, right? For they think their god is above all others, their belief are right, others wrong, no? Shall we ask the muslims to chime in here?You don't have to like this but as long as you can't refute it, (and you can't because it's a simple fact), you just have to accept that when you claim things for yourself that you won't allow others to have, you're painting yourself as being more worthy and entitled. You're certainly selecting yourself as being superior.
If that's what the Christian God is all about then the whole of mankind will fare far better if they distance themselves from him as much as possible. That kind of behavior and thinking has never lead to anything but cruelty and suffering.
Tim are we interested in polemics or apologia .... think about this before you answer Beastt again..... which is he engaging in?I'm saying that general human equality is different to shared interest (trumpets) or shared faith (Christianity) and that on those levels we are not better or worse, we're just DIFFERENT.
This isn't quite so simple as selecting an instrument to play. I don't see trumpet players pushing their preferences into legislation the way Christians have been. This is about world views and beyond. This is about how should ultimately be in charge of the world and unfortunately, Christians believe they should be simply on the basis of an old book. There are dozens of old books, each with similar claims as to their origins and content. And nothing about your book is any better or any different than many of the others. But still, you proclaim that your book is "the Book" despite being unable to produce anything which would demonstrate that to be the case.To stir the pot?
That doesn't change my point, which is that this site is run by a secular corporation. It might be geared toward ministry, but it already has secular governance.I'm not saying it's a Church, I'm saying it's ... a ....
Ministry.
Would you people please stop misconstruing what I'm saying to fit your agendas? It's really irritating.
To stir the pot?
CF is a place where ministry can take place, but it is not a ministry. AND lets not forget that the KEY to ministry is evangelization.I'm not saying it's a Church, I'm saying it's ... a ....
Ministry.
Would you people please stop misconstruing what I'm saying to fit your agendas? It's really irritating.
They formed Churches for two reasons - to gather and share the Eucharist and to bring people IN. Lets stop trying to force people out and work harder at bringing people in.The Christians still made churches and gathered together.
If that is your argument, ie, "Go out and preach," then GO to a secular site!!! We don't have to change this one to reach out! Come ON, people!
I'm saying that general human equality is different to shared interest (trumpets) or shared faith (Christianity) and that on those levels we are not better or worse, we're just DIFFERENT.
OK technically the Catholic Church has many secular governances set up in order to be able to keep it financially accountable .... Does that mean that the Church itself is then Secular because it uses outside sources to administrate it's monies and so forth....That doesn't change my point, which is that this site is run by a secular corporation. It might be geared toward ministry, but it already has secular governance.
Honestly, my first post on here was on a thread entitled (generally) "why are atheists so stupid?"
Let's be frank, there are plenty of Christians on here who despise atheists, many who don't trust atheists, many who believe we are automatically immoral, and most who (in absolute reality) are dealing with the cognitive disonance of being taught that they are superior to me, but know they can't actually say so.
I am no less moral for not believing in your God, I am no less honest, and I don't love my family less. But I also know that most people in my real life would turn on my in an instant if they knew I was an atheist. In fact, outside of this board, there is only a single Christian who knows I'm atheist. So, I fight my battle for understanding on here, one little bit at a time.
For the most part, that's why we're here.
That's not what Erwin has been saying since the beginning.That doesn't change my point, which is that this site is run by a secular corporation. It might be geared toward ministry, but it already has secular governance.
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