Astral Projection and out of body experiences

[theVirginian]

1. Is Astral Projection wrong and sinful?

Yes.

2. Is Astral Projection occultic and witchcraft?

Yes.

3. Is Astral Projection even real and can it even happen?

Yes.

4. If it is possible how would you do it?

You're on your own here. I don't want to deal with Luke 17:1-2.

5. If it is real and possible, then would a person be opening himself or herself to Demonic activity?

Yes. If you decide to get involved with this or any other occult practice, you'll learn first hand what the definition of misery is.

 

[Parmenio]

If you say it's possible, go claim the one million that James Randi has waiting for you. I know that you "don't want to do it for the money", but if you could do it, why not let the entire world know that it was possible, and raise awareness of this innate ability of ours.

If it was possible it would be extremely easy to verify. As it has not been, I see no reason to believe it.

 

[Voegelin]

I once had an "out of body experience" but the judge ruled I couldn't use it as a defense.

Courts . . .

 

[DrkSdBls]

1. Is Astral Projection wrong and sinful?

Why would it be wrong? Dangerous, perhaps. Not that there's a great risk but the Process to do so can become a great strain on your Mind.

And It's not a Sin since nothing execpt other People's idea of Right or Wrong can define it as such. If God has anything to say about it, he sure is keeping his mouth shut on the subject. If you shouldn't be doing it, you'll know.

1. Is Astral Projection occultic and witchcraft?

Absolutely not. There are those who practise both but they are not one in the same. Some Occultis and Witches and Wiccans are Vegitarians but that doesn't make Vegitarism Occultic.
Most people against it relate it to Summoning Demons or otherwise Communing with Spirits but in reality, these are two totally different fields.

3. Is Astral Projection even real and can it even happen?

Certainly. But you needn't take another's opinion on the subject. Discover for yourself, if you truely want to experince it.

4. If it is possible how would you do it?

That is a complecated question and would require more time and effort then I'm capable of giving here.

5. If it is real and possible, then would a person be opening himself or herself to Demonic activity?

No. Like I said, these are two different things. They're aren't Completely unrelated as there is a link. But the Key to remember about Demons: They have no power other you except what you give them.

But, you must first ask yourself whether you are capable of taking such a Step. After all, Experinces like these aren't for a Faint of Heart or Weak-Willed. You will experince a side of the Universe that you could never Fathom even in your wildest Imagination and worst yet, you'll discover a side to yourself that will scare the Crap out of you if you aren't willing to accept what you find.

Like I said, it's not exactly "Dangerous" but rather more Spiritually Taxing and a little Mentally Crushing. Your Worst Nightmare would do little to prepare you for what is out there.

 

[DrkSdBls]

Astral projection and out of body experiences are all internal mental experiences.

Mental, yes. But whose to say that what exists in your mind can’t be as real as anything else that you can Touch or Taste or Hear. Saying “It’s all in your Head” implies that every experience of countless People over countless Centuries are all victims of Delusional Minds.
I can contend that what exists in your head is the only thing that actually Real and everything you perceive as “Real” in this world is nothing more the a Product of Your Delusional mind.

So to answer your questions:
1. No, sin is a meaningless concept without a god, and since gods are imaginary, nothing is sin. In the broader sense of your question, no its not a bad activity, nor is it necessarily a good one.

Saying Gods are Imaginary doesn’t make them any less real when your mind is the only reality you have. And the Concept of Sin is not dependent of the existence of a God. Sin may be an arbitrary concept but it‘s still requires a Human Standard. It’s the Accountabilities and repercussions of Committing a Sin that requires on a Higher Authority.

2. There is no such thing as witchcraft, just some people with a different religion that you practicing their faith.

That sure comes as a shock to those who define the Practice of the Faith as Witchcraft.
That’s like saying “There’s no such thing as Christianity, only People Practicing their Religion.

As a Matter of fact, there are those who define there Religion As the Practicing of the Faith. There is Witchcraft. It just that there are those who just can’t distinguish the Religion from what they see in the movies.

3. The experience is a real mental experience, as in your mind definitely undergoes the illusion of leaving the body, but their is no evidence that this is not an entirely self contained experience.

First true thing you’ve said.

5. Demons don't exist, so no.

Stating something as a Fact without Evidence to support your claim? What are you, a Fundy?

 

[DrkSdBls]

we already know all the answers to questions about metaphysics.

Every Question has an Answer but Not every Answer is known.
Sorry, but you are mistaken there.

What you all think of past life regression?

Genetic Memory;
Trace Phonic Impressions from Recycled Spiritual Energy;
Hyper-Pretictory Processes of the Subconscious Mind;
Overactive Imagination….

Only thing you know is what you experince. Whatever you decide to call it, just know that you've only barely scratch the surface of the truth.

No one ever comes back to say, "I was a peasant who worked on a farm for 22 years, lost all my teeth, and died from dirty water."

Not entirely true but then again, whether your own Experiences can be said to be Boring and Dull is entirely up to you. After all, you may think that living your how life on a 15th Century Pirate Ship as a Lowly third-rate Buccaneer who died after being Washed overboard in a Monsoon would be a pitiful life ending in a Meaningless death……… But there are those who for those who Look fondly on those days, even if he still has an sever issue with Briny Water.

Total lack of credible evidence.

You mean “Lack of Personal Experience.”
Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence.

If you can’t bring yourself to accept what someone says as fact, that his your choice and you’re free to do so. But don’t fall under the fallacy in believing that your lack of Knowledge is proof of the contrary. You don’t have to take a person’s Testimony as truth but you should have faith enough in what a person says to you can accept their belief in what they say.

 

[DrkSdBls]

If you say it's possible, go claim the one million that James Randi has waiting for you. I know that you "don't want to do it for the money", but if you could do it, why not let the entire world know that it was possible, and raise awareness of this innate ability of ours.
If it was possible it would be extremely easy to verify. As it has not been, I see no reason to believe it.

The question here is, how are you to prove it. You say easy yet not once has any Reasonable Standard of “Proof” has ever been offered. When anyone says “Astral Projection” everyone always thinks “your Spirit getting up and walking around so that means you’re a Ghost so you should be able to make Chairs float and Chains Rattle and Write your name on a Foggy piece of Glass” and all the other Crap that Hollywood has defined as “Real Physic Phenomenon.”

Sorry but until people like James Randi stops believing he knows more about Real Physic Phenomenon then everybody else, his Burden of Proof will always remain outside of the ability of anyone, no matter what the truth is.

 

[DrFate]

Why would it be wrong? Dangerous, perhaps. Not that there's a great risk but the Process to do so can become a great strain on your Mind.

And It's not a Sin since nothing execpt other People's idea of Right or Wrong can define it as such. If God has anything to say about it, he sure is keeping his mouth shut on the subject. If you shouldn't be doing it, you'll know.


Absolutely not. There are those who practise both but they are not one in the same. Some Occultis and Witches and Wiccans are Vegitarians but that doesn't make Vegitarism Occultic.
Most people against it relate it to Summoning Demons or otherwise Communing with Spirits but in reality, these are two totally different fields.



Certainly. But you needn't take another's opinion on the subject. Discover for yourself, if you truely want to experince it.


That is a complecated question and would require more time and effort then I'm capable of giving here.



No. Like I said, these are two different things. They're aren't Completely unrelated as there is a link. But the Key to remember about Demons: They have no power other you except what you give them.

But, you must first ask yourself whether you are capable of taking such a Step. After all, Experinces like these aren't for a Faint of Heart or Weak-Willed. You will experince a side of the Universe that you could never Fathom even in your wildest Imagination and worst yet, you'll discover a side to yourself that will scare the Crap out of you if you aren't willing to accept what you find.

Like I said, it's not exactly "Dangerous" but rather more Spiritually Taxing and a little Mentally Crushing. Your Worst Nightmare would do little to prepare you for what is out there.

I was taught that we engage in astral projection when we sleep as a natural part of the process. It is neither wrong or right in that case. Being able to do it at will, now that is an interesting question.

 

[DrkSdBls]

I was taught that we engage in astral projection when we sleep as a natural part of the process. It is neither wrong or right in that case. Being able to do it at will, now that is an interesting question.

Well, yes and no. What one does in there sleep is automatic but the Astral Projection that I'm referring to here is more the eqivolent of Lucid Dreaming (Not the same thing as Lucid Dreaming but the Control element is the same. In fact, Lucid Dreaming is one way help discern the Astral Plane from your Dream Reality. )

Controlled Projection is a form of Directed Mental Pin-Point application of what otherwise is like a Boat tossed by the Storm of Human Fansy. If Left to the Whims of the Human Mind, you can be stuck within the border between the Astral Plane and your Figments and Fantasy of your mind. Astral Projection without control is nothing but a enriched Dream.

The Astral Plane is Real but if you can discern the Real thing from your own Dreams then the Whole Experince is waved away as your Dream.

This is where the Strain comes in. It's very difficult to filter your own Desired perceptions from your Astral Perceptions. The longer you mantain your Focus, the more your Taxed.

 

[HumanisticJones]

1. Is Astral Projection wrong and sinful?

This requires Astral Projection to actually exist as it is defined and not be simply a self-induced halucinatory state.

2. Is Astral Projection occultic and witchcraft?

If it is, then so are dreams, self-delusions, and psycho-somatic disorders. As stated... nothing more than a self-induced halucination.

3. Is Astral Projection even real and can it even happen?

It is real in the sense that the brain is switched to make it real to the person. The synapses do fire and the memories are stored in the nuerons, but that's as real as it gets.

4. If it is possible how would you do it?

Read up on bio-feedback and self-induced psychosomatic symptoms, I'm sure you could figure out how to make yourself get the trick right from that.

5. If it is real and possible, then would a person be opening himself or herself to Demonic activity?

This would require the existence of demons to perform demonic activity in the first place.

 

[Steezie]

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

You're on your own here. I don't want to deal with Luke 17:1-2.

Yes. If you decide to get involved with this or any other occult practice, you'll learn first hand what the definition of misery is.

I notice you dont actually EXPLAIN any of your answers

 

[theVirginian]

I notice you dont actually EXPLAIN any of your answers

I'm a man of few words.

Actually, a simple yes or no seemed appropriate unless BibleBeliever wants me to expand on something.

The reason I ask that is because in the Bible is says that "To be absent from the body, is to be present with the Lord."

This refers to what happens when a Believer dies.

 

[Steezie]

I'm a man of few words.

Good for you, its customary to EXPLAIN why you feel a certain way rather than just grunting out a reply

 

[Parmenio]

The question here is, how are you to prove it. You say easy yet not once has any Reasonable Standard of “Proof” has ever been offered. When anyone says “Astral Projection” everyone always thinks “your Spirit getting up and walking around so that means you’re a Ghost so you should be able to make Chairs float and Chains Rattle and Write your name on a Foggy piece of Glass” and all the other Crap that Hollywood has defined as “Real Physic Phenomenon.”

All they would need to do is verify some piece of information that they could not have otherwise known. Someone earlier said that they saw their cat and that it scratched them. That would easily qualify as proof. But I'm honestly just thinking about sitting someone in a room to meditate, and then having someone write something on a piece of paper outside of the room. And then lock that piece of paper in another room and allow the person as much time as they require to float on over there and see it.

 

[DrkSdBls]

All they would need to do is verify some piece of information that they could not have otherwise known. Someone earlier said that they saw their cat and that it scratched them. That would easily qualify as proof.

That is, if you can prove that:

A. You've got that scratch from your cat during your Experience and not after or before the fact.
and
B. That a Wound received during such an Experience can manifest itself on your Physical Body.

But I'm honestly just thinking about sitting someone in a room to meditate, and then having someone write something on a piece of paper outside of the room. And then lock that piece of paper in another room and allow the person as much time as they require to float on over there and see it.

It's been done. On many occasions.

Each time has been denounced as some form of Hoax, Coincidence, or a Variation of what they call "Cold Reading" or any other Possible excuse they've dreamt up.

Like I said, they'll except nothing as proof.
Nothing.

 

[Rorshack]

Well, yes and no. What one does in there sleep is automatic but the Astral Projection that I'm referring to here is more the eqivolent of Lucid Dreaming (Not the same thing as Lucid Dreaming but the Control element is the same. In fact, Lucid Dreaming is one way help discern the Astral Plane from your Dream Reality. )

Controlled Projection is a form of Directed Mental Pin-Point application of what otherwise is like a Boat tossed by the Storm of Human Fansy. If Left to the Whims of the Human Mind, you can be stuck within the border between the Astral Plane and your Figments and Fantasy of your mind. Astral Projection without control is nothing but a enriched Dream.

The Astral Plane is Real but if you can discern the Real thing from your own Dreams then the Whole Experince is waved away as your Dream.

This is where the Strain comes in. It's very difficult to filter your own Desired perceptions from your Astral Perceptions. The longer you mantain your Focus, the more your Taxed.

Yogi Bajan taught a yoga exercise that enabled me to project my astral body at will about half of the time. It was not really being asleep. A side benefit was being able to access aspects of the mental plane while awake. There was no danger of losing my body to demons, or getting lost or anything like that. I was not witchcraft, but merely an increased awareness of what is already always there anyway. I would have to say it is moral.
I suppose it could be self hypnosis. But i remember reading of people being able to accurately identify things they saw while projecting. There is also the evidence of the Remote Viewers. Remote Viewing may or may not be related to astral projection.

 

[Parmenio]

It's been done. On many occasions.

Each time has been denounced as some form of Hoax, Coincidence, or a Variation of what they call "Cold Reading" or any other Possible excuse they've dreamt up.

Like I said, they'll except nothing as proof.
Nothing.

A citation for that particular event would be intriguing. If all they can do is say, "There is a shape on the paper." Then I wouldn't be surprised that they disregarded it, but if the person can actually read some text and remember it, then, that would be proof. I'd encourage anyone who believed they could "project" themselves to take up Randi's 1 Million Dollar challenge.

 

[DrkSdBls]

Yogi Bajan taught a yoga exercise that enabled me to project my astral body at will about half of the time. It was not really being asleep. A side benefit was being able to access aspects of the mental plane while awake.

Congrats on that. That's a field that I personally find that I have the some of most Trouble with. I can only reach the required mental state while in Sleep. I can not even Meditate in Waking hours. But It's shocking how different in Contrast between my Awake Mind and my Sleeping Mind.

There was no danger of losing my body to demons, or getting lost or anything like that. I was not witchcraft, but merely an increased awareness of what is already always there anyway. I would have to say it is moral.

It not really even a Question of Morality. It's no different then Surgery for Medical Purposes or Technologic Invations. It's the Application of such Practices that are subject to Morality.

And Fear of Malevolent Forces aren't really a concern. You are no more in Danger from such Influences in such a State then you are in your normal Conscious state. True, you do tend to perceive then differently. But overall, any Malevolent Entity has more interest in Twisting your Subconscious then it is at attacking your Astral Conscious or even taking possession of your Body.

I suppose it could be self hypnosis. But i remember reading of people being able to accurately identify things they saw while projecting. There is also the evidence of the Remote Viewers. Remote Viewing may or may not be related to astral projection.

It's related though quite different.

http://www.astralvoyage.com/
This Site's a nice little read-up on several questions you may have about each related Field. It explains thing's in words better then I can, though it isn't exactly a "How-To" site so don't take it as the final word on what's what.

 

[Parmenio]

I'm completely serious. Quantum theory originated because something that should be impossible happened, and was repeatable. It is now part of modern scientific theory. Even if we don't think it's possible, if you can show it to be true, then it is, and we'll try and figure out from there how it works. Right now though, I know of no substantiated claims for any psychic abilities.

I suppose it could be self hypnosis. But i remember reading of people being able to accurately identify things they saw while projecting.

This right here is my favorite. Of COURSE you'll read of people that say they accurately predicted or accurately saw something happen. They might not even really be lying, they might honestly believe it, but until they are willing to put it to the test, it's all bunk.

 

[Bombila]

No individual has been able to even marginally convince me that astral projection is real. I have never seen a proper experiment that unambiguously supported that it is real. I think it is an imaginary and entirely mental experience, with no connection to material reality. I'm entirely open to proof - show me.

In fact - come here, and tell me something about my house, or what my cat looks like.