Asteroid Strike

[-57]

So, are you then saying that the volcano was made during the flood, too? That the Ark settled on top of, what was at the time, an active volcano?

The mountain appears to be post flood.
The ark landed on the mountains of Ararat.

 

[Astrophile]

You wrote the letter in 1972, but the surviving copy was made in 1985.

So it would be wrong to say I wrote my letter when Ronald Reagan was our president, wouldn't it?

Daniel was a young man who was deported to Babylon from Judea by Nebuchadnezzar.

This appears to be a non sequitur. How do you go from saying that you wrote a letter in 1972, before Ronald Reagan was president (although the only surviving copy was made in 1985), or from the fact that the book of Daniel was copied at Qumran in about 125 BC, to the conclusion that Daniel was a contemporary of King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon (reigned ca. 605 BC - ca. 561 BC)?

 

[Ophiolite]

This appears to be a non sequitur. How do you go from saying that you wrote a letter in 1972, before Ronald Reagan was president (although the only surviving copy was made in 1985), or from the fact that the book of Daniel was copied at Qumran in about 125 BC, to the conclusion that Daniel was a contemporary of King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon (reigned ca. 605 BC - ca. 561 BC)?

Faith.

 

[AV1611VET]

This appears to be a non sequitur. How do you go from saying that you wrote a letter in 1972, before Ronald Reagan was president (although the only surviving copy was made in 1985), or from the fact that the book of Daniel was copied at Qumran in about 125 BC, to the conclusion that Daniel was a contemporary of King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon (reigned ca. 605 BC - ca. 561 BC)?

What do you mean it appears to be a non sequitur?

Didn't you say this:

The book of Daniel is a work of fiction dating from the time of the Maccabean rebellion (about 164 BCE). It was written almost 400 years after the death of Nebuchadnezzar.

That's like saying:

"Your letter is a work of fiction dating from the time of Ronald Reagan's presidency (about 1985). It was written 13 years after it was claimed to have been written."

 

[USincognito]

So-called beneficial mutations accumulating and increasing information is a myth.

This is a falsehood. We have numerous examples of beneficial mutations and increases in information. Two that I can think of right off hand are SRGAP2C and ARHGAP11B which came about due to gene duplication and subsequent mutations which caused genus Homo to have more dendrite connections and a larger neocortex. An example over a much longer time frame were two whole genome duplication events in an ancestral population of jawless fish which gave rise to the variety of globins found in modern vertebrates.

 

[USincognito]

Mountains such as Ararat were formed when the continents collided. I'm sure even you would agree with that.

Mount Ararat is actually a volcano that was built up via eruptions.

It's funny how YECs claim that marine fossils "on" mountains is evidence for the Flood and yet there are no marine fossils associated with Ararat.

 

[-57]

This is a falsehood. We have numerous examples of beneficial mutations and increases in information. Two that I can think of right off hand are SRGAP2C and ARHGAP11B which came about due to gene duplication and subsequent mutations which caused genus Homo to have more dendrite connections and a larger neocortex. An example over a much longer time frame were two whole genome duplication events in an ancestral population of jawless fish which gave rise to the variety of globins found in modern vertebrates.

I find it amazing how far one has to dig to even propose information has been added to DNA. You would think with all the different species each with a variety of systems, organs, appendages etc., you would have no problem of providing and encyclopedia full of information increasing. Then the addition of increased information over and over again to we reach the sophistication and complexity we have today.

 

[-57]

It's funny how YECs claim that marine fossils "on" mountains is evidence for the Flood and yet there are no marine fossils associated with Ararat.

Ararat was a post flood event.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's funny how YECs claim that marine fossils "on" mountains is evidence for the Flood and yet there are no marine fossils associated with Ararat.

What's equally funny is OECs saying the Bible saying every high hill on the Earth gets covered by a local flood.

 

[HitchSlap]

I find it amazing how far one has to dig to even propose information has been added to DNA. You would think with all the different species each with a variety of systems, organs, appendages etc., you would have no problem of providing and encyclopedia full of information increasing. Then the addition of increased information over and over again to we reach the sophistication and complexity we have today.

You know what's amazing... creationists who use the word "information" as if they have some metric to define it.

 

[-57]

You know what's amazing... creationists who use the word "information" as if they have some metric to define it.

So, This isn't information?

It's short. Only 3 1/2 min. You might want to watch it.

 

[AV1611VET]

You know what's amazing... creationists who use the word "information" as if they have some metric to define it.

One of the first things I had to learn in college was the difference between information and data.

 

[HitchSlap]

So, This isn't information?

Correct. It's not "information." This is a process called protein synthesis. This is how chemicals interact with each other.

Here's a quick primer for you: https://www.quora.com/Where-does-protein-synthesis-takes-place-What-is-the-process

Creationists do a huge dis-service for people who aren't educated in biology, as they don't properly explain the biological processes, then smuggle terms like "information" into it so you're impressed with the idea of information needing a "programmer," and oila, goddidit.

If you wan't to persist in using "information" as anything more than hyperbole, then it's incumbent on you to come up with a workable, defined, unit of "information." Otherwise you're just blowing smoke.
(FTR, ID/creos have been promising to define a unit of "information," and they haven't yet. There was this one guy who kept promising he was close, but he disappeared never to be heard from again.)

 

[HitchSlap]

One of the first things I had to learn in college was the difference between information and data.

You should be proud.

 

[-57]

Correct. It's not "information." This is a process called protein synthesis. This is how chemicals interact with each other.

Here's a quick primer for you: https://www.quora.com/Where-does-protein-synthesis-takes-place-What-is-the-process

Creationists do a huge dis-service for people who aren't educated in biology, as they don't properly explain the biological processes, then smuggle terms like "information" into it so you're impressed with the idea of information needing a "programmer," and oila, goddidit.

If you wan't to persist in using "information" as anything more than hyperbole, then it's incumbent on you to come up with a workable, defined, unit of "information." Otherwise you're just blowing smoke.
(FTR, ID/creos have been promising to define a unit of "information," and they haven't yet. There was this one guy who kept promising he was close, but he disappeared never to be heard from again.)

It's called the genetic code. It contains information on how to make organelle. It contains information on how to make you.

FYI....one of the guys from your link said "The process by which genetic information is transferred from the nucleus to the ribosomes is called transcription." So, I suppose the site you sent me to is, how did you put it? "Just blowing smoke" as it used the "I" word.

 

[HitchSlap]

It's called the genetic code. It contains information on how to make organelle. It contains information on how to make you.

FYI....one of the guys from your link said "The process by which genetic information is transferred from the nucleus to the ribosomes is called transcription." So, I suppose the site you sent me to is, how did you put it? "Just blowing smoke" as it used the "I" word.

If you're happy burning that strawman, have at it. I was just throwin' you a bone so you don't look so silly trying to discuss biology. But since you're so keen on "Information," go ahead and define what a unit of "Information" is.

I'll wait.

 

[SelfSim]

There's no use in defining 'information' in the absence of a testable context.

 

[USincognito]

I find it amazing how far one has to dig to even propose information has been added to DNA.

What in the world are you talking about? The three examples I provided were right off the top of my head. There was no "digging" involved.

You would think with all the different species each with a variety of systems, organs, appendages etc., you would have no problem of providing and encyclopedia full of information increasing. Then the addition of increased information over and over again to we reach the sophistication and complexity we have today.

I just provided you with three examples of an increase in information*. Would you like me to list many more examples of mutations that have resulted in change to form or function?
- EPAS1 helps Tibetans produce more hemoglobin for living at high altitude.
- Bmp2 and fgf8 played a role in bat wing evolution.
- Hoxd12 and Hoxd13 caused terrestrial forelimbs to evolve into whale flippers.
- Neil Shubin and his group have identified the genes that changed fish fins into tetrapod limbs.
- Whales still have the Shh/Hand2 gene pathway for hind limb development as well as olfactory pseudogenes inherited from their terrestrial ancestors.
MYH16 appears to play a role in the reduction of Homo jaw muscle size which allowed our craniums to grow larger.

Again, all of these are literally off the top of my head. I'm sure I could do some investigating and find hundreds more examples.

*The examples are objective increases in genetic material and new function so even though Creationists have no quantifiable metric for measuring "genetic information" the

 

[USincognito]

Ararat was a post flood event.

Ad hoc. But it doesn't matter since the Flood never happened. There are far too many observations in the geologic record that render the Flood impossible.

 

[Strathos]

What's equally funny is OECs saying the Bible saying every high hill on the Earth gets covered by a local flood.

No one claims that...