Asteroid Strike

[AV1611VET]

But as you ask, it doesn't work because no dinosaur fossils are found above the detritus left by the meteor, if AV's nonsense is factual we would.

What are you talking about?

What meteor?

 

[-57]

Yes.

But even if it weren’t, it’s far from the only crater on earth and not the biggest, so that doesn’t much help you.

Serious doubt has been cast upon the crater. It's also not just within the YEC world view.
As to it not being the only crater...the articles make me wonder about the other craters.

The whole point of the argument is, is that it is a model that may or may not provide a method for the fountains of the deep erupting.

 

[Astrophile]

And let me guess.

Shadrach, Meschach, and Abednego died in the fire, I take it?

Incidentally Nebuchadnezzar said:

Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

The book of Daniel is a work of fiction dating from the time of the Maccabean rebellion (about 164 BCE). It was written almost 400 years after the death of Nebuchadnezzar.

Do you think Jesus was on the Ark with Noah?

(Do you think Julius Caesar was on the Lusitania?)

No, of course not. Jesus was born in the 1st century BCE and died in the 1st century CE; at a guess his dates were from about 12-10 BCE to about 29-30 CE. From the geological and archaeological evidence, Noah's flood occurred in the 3rd millennium BCE.

Why do you say this sort of thing to an avowed atheist? You know that I don't believe it, and it only makes you look foolish and credulous.

 

[lasthero]

Serious doubt has been cast upon the crater.

Not really. A couple of pages from the ICR doesn't exactly constitute 'serious doubt'.

It's also not just within the YEC world view.

Pretty much.

As to it not being the only crater...the articles make me wonder about the other craters.

Since it doesn't even touch on them, that seems like a strange thing to wonder. What other phenomena would be responsible for the hundreds of impact craters we see on the Earth? And that's not even getting into impact craters found on the Moon and other planets. What else would be creating them, and why has it NEVER been witnessed?

The whole point of the argument is, is that it is a model that may or may not provide a method for the fountains of the deep erupting.

 

[-57]

The book of Daniel is a work of fiction dating from the time of the Maccabean rebellion (about 164 BCE). It was written almost 400 years after the death of Nebuchadnezzar.

the dead sea scroll show it was writted prior to the Maccabean era.

 

[lasthero]

the dead sea scroll show it was writted prior to the Maccabean era.

How did the Dead Sea Scrolls show that? Genuinely curious.

 

[Astrophile]

the dead sea scroll show it was written prior to the Maccabean era.

According to Book of Daniel - Wikipedia , 'All eight manuscripts [of the Book of Daniel] were copied between 125 BC (4QDanc) and about 50 AD (4QDanb), showing that Daniel was being read at Qumran only about 40 years after its composition.' These dates of copying do not show that the book 'was written prior to the Maccabean era'.

 

[AV1611VET]

According to Book of Daniel - Wikipedia , 'All eight manuscripts [of the Book of Daniel] were copied between 125 BC (4QDanc) and about 50 AD (4QDanb), showing that Daniel was being read at Qumran only about 40 years after its composition.' These dates of copying do not show that the book 'was written prior to the Maccabean era'.

FYI, Jesus believed in the book of Daniel ...

Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

I'm sure He was addressing academians as well, even though He said, "Let him that readeth understand."

 

[Jimmy D]

What are you talking about?

What meteor?

My mistake, asteroid, as I mentioned in my previous post. Your pedantry is unbecoming, I suppose it’s easier than coming up with a reasonable response though.

 

[-57]

According to Book of Daniel - Wikipedia , 'All eight manuscripts [of the Book of Daniel] were copied between 125 BC (4QDanc) and about 50 AD (4QDanb), showing that Daniel was being read at Qumran only about 40 years after its composition.' These dates of copying do not show that the book 'was written prior to the Maccabean era'.

The scrolls were copies indicating daniel was written before the Maccabean.

 

[Strathos]

But that's not what the Bible teaches. The language of the account clearly shows it was a world wide flood.

The original Hebrew uses the word eretz, which means land, and can refer to the local land. Besides, there are many parts of scripture that are not meant to be taken literally - surely you must agree that allegories, metaphors, and parables exist in the Bible.

because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.

Eight persons survived. Why? the flood was world wide.

Eight persons survived the flood in the area it affected.

That's what they told their subordinates at Enron.But they do change the way the narrative is interpreted.

Okay, you think the numbers listed in Genesis are critically important? Answer me this then:

And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

A cubit is the length of the forearm from the elbow to the longest finger (around 1.5 feet).

According to these verses, after covering "the high hills", the waters only had to rise 15 cubits (22.5 feet) further to cover the mountains.

Presuming a global flood, Mount Everest (29,029 feet) would have been covered. But "The Mountains of Ararat" are also mentioned in the Genesis narrative. Obviously, as these are considered mountains, they were higher than "the high hills". The tallest mountain in the Ararat region is the Greater Ararat, which is 16,854 feet tall. 29,029 - 16,854 = 12,175, which is a bit more than 22.5.

Affirmative. No, they didn't. If they did, why are the facts so different?

Folk memory. Stories change over time with multiple retellings.

I'd rather think of the entire U.S. west coast as being beckoned out of the ocean.

Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

That's from before the flood, and I don't see the relevance to the part of my post you quoted.

 

[AV1611VET]

Eight persons survived the flood in the area it affected.

Which would be the whole earth, would it not?

Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

Would those "high hills that were under the whole heaven" also include the San Juan hills of Cuba?

 

[HitchSlap]

Which would be the whole earth, would it not?

Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

Would those "high hills that were under the whole heaven" also include the San Juan hills of Cuba?

Except the olive tree where the dove got the branch from. That wasn’t covered ... NVM.... magic.

 

[Strathos]

Which would be the whole earth, would it not?

Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

Would those "high hills that were under the whole heaven" also include the San Juan hills of Cuba?

So do you think that every mountain on earth is no more than 22.5 feet higher than the highest hill?

 

[AV1611VET]

Except the olive tree where the dove got the branch from.

Leaf ... olive leaf.

Genesis 8:11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.

From a tree created ex materia.

Just like in Genesis 1.

 

[AV1611VET]

So do you think that every mountain on earth is no more than 22.5 feet higher than the highest hill?

Nope, I sure don't.

But I'm not going to lose any sleep over it either.

 

[Strathos]

Nope, I sure don't.

But I'm not going to lose any sleep over it either.

Then neither will I over your arguments.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then neither will I over your arguments.

Cool school.

 

[-57]

The original Hebrew uses the word eretz, which means land, and can refer to the local land. Besides, there are many parts of scripture that are not meant to be taken literally - surely you must agree that allegories, metaphors, and parables exist in the Bible.

Go re-read Gen 6-8.......substitute "local land" every place you see earth. You'll see the account makes no sense in that context.

Eight persons survived the flood in the area it affected.

Yup, only 8 people survived the world wide flood. If the flood was local then some near the border of the flood would have easily escaped. That would mean more than 8.

Okay, you think the numbers listed in Genesis are critically important? Answer me this then:



A cubit is the length of the forearm from the elbow to the longest finger (around 1.5 feet).

According to these verses, after covering "the high hills", the waters only had to rise 15 cubits (22.5 feet) further to cover the mountains.

Presuming a global flood, Mount Everest (29,029 feet) would have been covered. But "The Mountains of Ararat" are also mentioned in the Genesis narrative. Obviously, as these are considered mountains, they were higher than "the high hills". The tallest mountain in the Ararat region is the Greater Ararat, which is 16,854 feet tall. 29,029 - 16,854 = 12,175, which is a bit more than 22.5.

You do know Mt Ararat wasn't around before the flood?

Psalm 104:5He set the earth on its foundations,
so that it should never be moved.
6You covered it with the deep as with a garment;
the waters stood above the mountains.
7At your rebuke they fled;
at the sound of your thunder they took to flight.
8The mountains rose, the valleys sank down
to the place that you appointed for them.
9You set a boundary that they may not pass,
so that they might not again cover the earth.

Science has show this can happen quickly. When you look at recumbent folds in the rock strata one can easily determine the event was quick and the sediment was still some what plastic. Old Earth movement would snap, crackle and pop the strata as you can't fold a rock.

Your next issue is.....knowing water seeks its own level, where is the walls of the basin that would have retained your local flood?

Folk memory. Stories change over time with multiple retellings.

True. They would have been post Babel stories.

 

[-57]

Which would be the whole earth, would it not?

Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

Would those "high hills that were under the whole heaven" also include the San Juan hills of Cuba?

We know that too be Local Heaven.