Assumptions required for evolutionary theory?

[LoG]

I'm confused. Does LoG actually believe that the Sun revolves around the Earth? If so, dialogue is absolutely useless.

Thank you random_guy, that is the nicest thing that has been said to me on this thread.

 

[Willtor]

LoG, your opinion isn't the issue, here. You are saying that evolution assumes these things. This isn't a matter of opinion, but a matter of fact. Some of these things are absurd (there is no plan, goal, or purpose to the universe), some of them are proven (heliocentric solar system), and some of them don't really have anything to do with evolution (abiogenesis). You really do come across as desperate when you put these things out there.

Could a YEC or another Gap theorist back me up, here?

 

[Mallon]

Lol, I do get a kick out of your posts. You mention one catastrophic event in several billion years and call it catastrophism? That is more like a minor hiccup geologically speaking.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you wanted me to mention all catastrophies this Earth has seen. Note that we also have evidence for hundreds of other meteor impacts (such as the Sudbury crater, Manicouagan, etc.), massive volcanic events (Sibberian and Deccan traps), submarine landslides, and more. When geologists speak of 'uniformitarianism', we speak of slow, gradual processes punctuated by catastrophy. This is what we see today, and we have no reason to think that the opposite was true in the past. And don't pretend that geologists and palaeontologists ignore such events; if it wasn't for their research, you would never know about them.

 

[LoG]

And don't pretend that geologists and palaeontologists ignore such events; if it wasn't for their research, you would never know about them.

That would be incorrect, Mallon. I don't depend on them for my knowledge of cataclysmic events. Where I do look at their research, I tend to filter out their interpretations of both timeline and causal factors.

 

[Mallon]

That would be incorrect, Mallon. I don't depend on them for my knowledge of cataclysmic events.

I appologize, then. I didn't realize you went into the field to study the impact craters, turbidites, and volcanic deposits on your own.

 

[random_guy]

Thank you random_guy, that is the nicest thing that has been said to me on this thread.

I'm still confused. You didn't answer my question. The problem is, no matter how outrageous a claim by a Creationists might be, it's nearly impossible to tell if they're joking or if they're serious. Take dad for example. I still don't know if he believes the Earth has a diamond at the center, and the core is cool, or if he was kidding the entire time. It makes it very hard to take Creationists seriously.

 

[LoG]

I'm still confused. You didn't answer my question.

You asked a question and followed it up with a statement if the answer was affirmative.

The jury is still out on my belief but I think there is a strong case for Geocentricity.

It has been my observation in these forums that TE's don't take Creationists seriously in anything they say.

 

[Willtor]

I'm still confused. You didn't answer my question. The problem is, no matter how outrageous a claim by a Creationists might be, it's nearly impossible to tell if they're joking or if they're serious. Take dad for example. I still don't know if he believes the Earth has a diamond at the center, and the core is cool, or if he was kidding the entire time. It makes it very hard to take Creationists seriously.

This might actually be an interesting experiment. Can a YEC parody a TE and fool the other TEs? This experiment may be against forum rules, though.

 

[rmwilliamsll]

This might actually be an interesting experiment. Can a YEC parody a TE and fool the other TEs? This experiment may be against forum rules, though.

that sounds remarkably like the original Star Trek episode where Kirk and Spock mis-transport to an evil empire where assasination is the way to promotion.

The 'good' Kirk and Spock stayed hidden and got back. The bad got imprisoned really quickly and Scotty's response was something like: "good can pretend to be evil and lot easier than evil can masquerade as good"


the other issue is: how many times have you been taken in by a parody site on YEC'ists? like the creation science fair?
it's offline now, but you can still see the waves it made
http://www.bouzou.com/culture/present/sciencefair.html

 

[random_guy]

You asked a question and followed it up with a statement if the answer was affirmative.

The jury is still out on my belief but I think there is a strong case for Geocentricity.

It has been my observation in these forums that TE's don't take Creationists seriously in anything they say.

I'm sorry, I thought you were joking. You have to understand, I spend 6 months working at an aerospace company and spent some time attempting to learn orbital mechanics. To me, the idea that the Sun (or any other planet) revolves around the Earth is absurb, on the level of a flat Earth.

 

[random_guy]

This might actually be an interesting experiment. Can a YEC parody a TE and fool the other TEs? This experiment may be against forum rules, though.

I think it might be possible, but it doesn't really say much. If they "act" like evolutionists by citing sources, then no one will notice. If they say things incorrectly, evolutionists will jump on them to correct them.

The reverse says a lot more. If a evolutionist pretends to be a Creationist, and says things like the Earth is flat or the Sun revolves around the Earth, then again, the evolutionists will correct him, while the Creationists will remain silent.

 

[Willtor]

that sounds remarkably like the original Star Trek episode where Kirk and Spock mis-transport to an evil empire where assasination is the way to promotion.

The 'good' Kirk and Spock stayed hidden and got back. The bad got imprisoned really quickly and Scotty's response was something like: "good can pretend to be evil and lot easier than evil can masquerade as good"


the other issue is: how many times have you been taken in by a parody site on YEC'ists? like the creation science fair?
it's offline now, but you can still see the waves it made
http://www.bouzou.com/culture/present/sciencefair.html

Actually, if you recall, Spock didn't join the away mission. If you're thinking of "Mirror Mirror," this was the episode where the evil Spock had a goatee. The goatee made it clear that he was evil because the good Spock would never wear a goatee.

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Objective Ministries is a site one of my friends sent me. He's a secular Jew and he thought it was hilarious, but he couldn't tell if it was a hoax. I took one look at the divine org chart and concluded it was a parody. But this site, apparently, fooled a lot of people.

 

[rmwilliamsll]

Actually, if you recall, Spock didn't join the away mission. If you're thinking of "Mirror Mirror," this was the episode where the evil Spock had a goatee. The goatee made it clear that he was evil because the good Spock would never wear a goatee.

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Objective Ministries is a site one of my friends sent me. He's a secular Jew and he thought it was hilarious, but he couldn't tell if it was a hoax. I took one look at the divine org chart and concluded it was a parody. But this site, apparently, fooled a lot of people.

accessing 30 year old memories there. i tried unsuccessfully to google it. but yes Spock did have a goatee.

your parody site is worth getting into my notes. thanks. did you see:

The Bible:

The Bible is the Infallible Word of God made manifest via Verbal Plenary Inspiration and reveals God's plan and purpose in the ages. The King James Version (KJV) is the only English version that is authoritative, having been translated under the watchful eye of the Holy Ghost from original manuscripts found in the basement of Temple Church that were taken from the Holy Land by the Knights Templar during the Second Crusade.

from: http://objectiveministries.org/statementoffaith/

 

[Willtor]

accessing 30 year old memories there. i tried unsuccessfully to google it. but yes Spock did have a goatee.

your parody site is worth getting into my notes. thanks. did you see:

from: http://objectiveministries.org/statementoffaith/

I did see that, actually. There is always the possibility (for statements such as those) that the people are the purveyors of misinformation, or possibly they are just uninformed, themselves. But the divine org chart is so absurd as to be blasphemous.

Did you try dressing Lamuel? Now THAT's entertainment.