If you are talking about states that followed after the history of the Roman Catholic church, then yeah... that era the Roman Catholic Chruch was all about greed and power. They are not true Christian nations. To be honest the US is the closes Governing state that has a Christian bases or as I should say Bible foundation. Do not be putting the Catholic Church of that corrupted time in with the Church of Christ. Those Catholics abused and missused the Lord's name for their pride and greed. If you really researched the Christian Chruch you would know there were only pockets in all the countries. They feared showing themselves because of the Catholic churches unethical ways. It was not the Reformers that discovered the truth, it was there... they just stopped blinding themselves to the lies. Yeah, I agree that the Roman Catholic Nations of the past were one of the worst nations of religious standard. What about Communist/ athiest states... you think they were better than Catholic church nations of the pasts?
First of all, why isn't the Catholic church a valid example? Or the British state church, for that matter? It doesn't make any sense why they wouldn't be. Second of all, can you name any theocracy that has been successful/peaceful?
The catholic church was established by a group of spiritual leaders in Rome, established the Papal States, they wanted a way to control the people. But Roman Empire was made up of many cultures and beliefs. At the time they had hoped that Christianity would disappear because they lost Jesus (who rose from the dead). But it spread like a wild fire. So they figured if they combined pagan and Christian church, they would gain the majority and make tons of money. The "top" hats they wear is the symbol of a fish... after the symbol of the pagan fish god. The Icons used came from the idea of the pagan god worship. People often need an idol of some kind because it is hard to trust and have faith in someone they cant see. The original Roman Catholic Church was designed to control people, kings loved it because no one would revolt. Also the people were not allowed to read the Bible nor read at all... because if you can keep the people from educating themselves then you can keep fear in them. Why do you think the catholic church was so powerful and influencial, kinda like and ancient media version. Now the church has changed greatly, mostly to the Reformers, but the Church was always arnd, hiding in the shadows. PLus in the new testiment, if the catholics truelly read scripture, would know that we do not need a priest to talk with God, we are the priesthood, it is thru Jesus and Jesus only were can commune with God.
Theocracy that was successful, Israel! And if you think Christianity is all about peace no fighting, and if you think Jesus was fragile and not tuff... you better read the gospels again. We are to be tough, does not mean we go and kill people, like Islam, because you do not believe as i do. It also does not mean if someone hits me I turn another cheek. That verse is missed used. I will stand up for myself, and I will defend anyone i love fist or love. I will state we are to live in love, which is why I do not hate the Homosexual person, the murder person, the theif as a person, but I hate their actions. Just as when we have children... we do not hate our child for lying, we hate the lying action. Sin hurts, it hurts people and it hurts God. The Israelites had it perfect, it is because they wanted to be like the other nations ( be like the world, so if the world does it, we should?), and God grated that request, and they reaped what they sowed. When they were a Theocracy, it was direct command with God, when they took kingship... the king was the leader, and if He walked with God... good things happened, when He turned from Him... things went bad (1-2 Samuel-1-2 Kings- life of Saul and David).
You'd be rather hard pressed to do so, because theocracy's don't work, because people get corrupted. Jesus was fighting against a theocracy, not for one.
What???!!!! No He was not... He was submitting to the Authority... read the rest of the chapter. The Jews gave up their Theocracy for a worldy government. If you read of the Judges... in Judges... it work very well. Later in that chptr Jesus states that the Authority that is above you is given by God... and so we must serve it as long as it does not make us do anything against God.
Give to Cesar what is Cesar's, etc (a sign of submission to our Authority).
And no, there's obviously no anarchic state that was successful, since and anarchic state hasn't ever existed. Capitalistic states have proved to be the most successful throughout history, and I'd argue that that's the most un-Christian economical system.
Our economins is very Capitalistic our government is a Replublic Democratic. We have Capitalist approach, but that is not how our government works. I feel that money has control and influence on alot of things.
Thirdly, the U.S. Government is far from being Christian, and it always was, as it should be. It's un-Constitutional to want a theocracy (Christian or otherwise). This nation was founded on the principle that there should be no state religion, at all. Yes, that's really in the Constitution. It's worked so well, by producing far and away the best free government in history, why should we change it and allow a vehicle of greed and corruption take it's place in the form of a Christian theocracy? Makes no sense to me.
I agree with that, was not agrueing that, just clearifing. He asked me to clarify, read before jumping on me.
I was referring to Carey, not you. Sorry for the confusion.
First of not all Christian believe that you can do what you want with nature, that is not biblical. Yes were are made above nature, but we are to protect, use it, and respect it.
NP!
I never said all Christians believe that. I'm a prime example of one who completely rejects it. I certainly agree that we need to protect and respect God's creation. Though use....I'm not so sure of.
Because in nature is no law, only the naturality of their species.
Using for reason, not for pleasure.
No, there are laws of nature. They just aren't written down anywhere.
We are accountable to our actions, were nature it self is not.
Read about creation in Gensis (chptr 1-2). It is because we have souls (there are no verses saying animals have it), we are made in the image of God, also in Genesis
How so?
God says that homosexuality is unnatural it is unnatural in the Human species.
Where? Where in the Bible does he explicitly state that homosexuality is unnatural in the human species, or unnatural at all?
Romans 1, verses 25-32 specifically (NIV, and even KJV/NKJV) It states specifically... men and women leaving the natural relationship (sexual, courting, dating) to persue the unnatural. That cannot be any clearer than it is.
If it is in nature (animal kingdom) that is because they are animals. We were made in a different light, that even the angels are curious about us. God does care for animals, states that in bible, but we are of a different design. You want to call yourself an animal go ahead... I do not act like one, and I do not look like one. I am a human being.
Exactly. We act a little bit differently than nature does. We do many things that aren't found in nature, and most people look on those things with pride, not shame. So why is "homosexuality is unnatural" a valid argument? War is unnatural, and we're not outlawing that. Economics are unnatural, and we're not outlawing that. So why is it such a big deal to be doing something "unnatural", when most of the things we do are unnatural? (this is all, of course, ignoring that homosexuality to a small degree is natural.
say no to what??