Assault on marriage!!!

[Candide]

Right. That's why the trinity is so confusing, and makes little sense, yet is still true.

But whatever.

 

[gwynedd1]

Right. That's why the trinity is so confusing, and makes little sense, yet is still true.

But whatever.

Hello Candid,

What is confusing is the alternative. Please explain to me the nature of "one" and the nature of "one" God. What is one God with one manifestation like verse one God with multiple manifestations? What is the kind of manifestation appropriate for a God? Wind? A tree? A river? Nothing? Please explain what makes a person one? What I ask is "one"? Is a man with no legs really a man? Don't men have legs? How does one compare something inherently unique and insists on its nature compared to something else? What's a unique widget like? All I can tell you is it is not like other widgets otherwise it is not really unique.
In general the nature of one is a human perspective that is called Gestalt. We make order of a perspective.
Here is your brain making order out of nothing . It does this all the time. Even a good atheist like Sartre knew this.


http://www.maniacworld.com/Spinning-Silhouette-Optical-Illusion.html

Last question : What is the opposite of a man? Is there and opposite or is it yet just another arbitrary frame of reference? If you can tell me the answer you will have won your first disciple.

 

[Carey]

Carey,

That is a bomb shell. Jesus is not God?

We have John 8



And Isaiah 9




As just a start.

Most people seem confused about how there can be two manifestations of God. That is because they have not thought about it. My hand is me but less than the rest of me and conforms perfectly to my will. Jesus is the begotten Son of God
meaning He comes from the stuff of God and is not created. However all things have lessor and greater elements of themselves such as my foot verse my head. My head is greater than my foot and yet are one. God is identified by the single uncreated Will and Jesus is part of this.

Correct he comes from the Father just Like I come from my earthly father. So he is part of God in a similar way that I am part of my dad. I look and sound amazingly like him. Its almost like he is still here though he has been dead for many years.

And the Father ( YAHWEH ) in this case is greater than the son

Jesus will be called mighty God too but he is a seperate entity that will turn the kingdom over to the Father God.
1 Corinthians 15. and Revelations 21 make this clear.

 

[Candide]

He's a separate entity, but he's the same entity. That's how it goes down.

And Gwyn, I was agreeing with you.

But let's get back to the point. Jesus (whom the religion of Christianity is built on) didn't really mention homosexuality, at least not in any great detail.

 

[Carey]

"The Father and I are one." Jesus in John's Gospel

Me and my Dad were one too when he was alive.
We stood together as family. The strongest bond.

 

[Carey]

So who is jesu-wait! What was this thread about?

It has been getting derailed ..sorry.

This thread is about why men are not supposed to have sex with men and marry them.

And why I am not supposed to have sex with my Goat and marry her.

 

[Candide]

But that's the thing, Cary. They're two different things. You can marry someone without having sex. And my point is that, the Bible (though not Jesus), never says that a homosexual relationship is wrong, simply homosexual sex (though I'm not so sure about that, either).

 

[Ainustorm]

But that's the thing, Cary. They're two different things. You can marry someone without having sex. And my point is that, the Bible (though not Jesus), never says that a homosexual relationship is wrong, simply homosexual sex (though I'm not so sure about that, either).

Romans 1:24-29

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice.

Scripture states relationships... not just sex

 

[Ainustorm]

It has been getting derailed ..sorry.

This thread is about why men are not supposed to have sex with men and marry them.

And why I am not supposed to have sex with my Goat and marry her.

It cool to talk about the trinity if you want! I do not mind taking rabbit trails, lol

 

[gwynedd1]

He's a separate entity, but he's the same entity. That's how it goes down.

And Gwyn, I was agreeing with you.

But let's get back to the point. Jesus (whom the religion of Christianity is built on) didn't really mention homosexuality, at least not in any great detail.

OH , well then perhaps I put in too much salt to notice the subtlety of the broth.
Sorry to derail but the Jesus is not God comment just had to be addressed. Those are like eyeballs floating in the soup and the response is "no thanks, please pass the fruit basket because I will have none of it".
So any way while I am here it is technically it is true, Jesus did not specifically mention homosexuality however he did embrace the Law. I would again say it is sin but where it is in particular in the list of offenses is not my place to say. My biggest concern in reality it the issue will be used as a political wedge against Christianity. The potential to call scripture hate speech is increasing.

 

[Candide]

Romans 1:24-29

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice.

Scripture states relationships... not just sex

No, scripture states unnatural relations, and lust. It never mentions the relationship without sex. Indeed, that whole lust part (the one that you didn't bold), is solely dealing with sex, and nothing of the other complexities. Again, that's all the Bible states is wrong.

And Gwyn, he embraced some of the law. That whole sabbath thing, he didn't embrace, and there's many others. So do we just pick and chose which laws Jesus did and did not embrace? How do we know?

By his words. That's how.

And he simply doesn't mention homosexuality in any great detail.

 

[CoreyTheMagnificent]

It cool to talk about the trinity if you want! I do not mind taking rabbit trails, lol

Yeah me neither, I just thought it was funny how the topic totally changed.