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[Pythons]

Do you just fabricate this stuff for the fun of it...

I wasn't the one who 'made it up'.


Adventist review and Herald, Oct 8, 1903
The Doctrine OF the Personality of God IS the fundamental Doctrine of the Scriptures.... Neither was this image of God a MERE CONCEPT; for the Bible declares that the Lord has parts, the same as the human body - Our existence as a people is FOUNDED on a belief in the truths stated above.

I'm ONLY telling you what was fundamental belief to SDA's E.C.R....
...You are welcome to do a word search at the General Conference Archives.
...So that you can establish I've not added any words to the above.
...AND that the above is speaking of "God the Father".

Those are just a few of "hundreds" of statements I've collected from the archives....
...That are explicit that God the Father has a body with all the organs, members and parts of a perfect man.
...And how that is the foundation or fundamental Doctrine upon which the Sanctuary teaching rests on.

actually, I still believe you are some kind of agent provocateur working directly or indirectly for the Jesuits. No one Catholic has this much fascination with SDA matters and makes such disparaging comments about our faith without having an agenda to do so.

Again, I'm only here for fellowship and discussion in an attempt to learn more about Seventh-day Adventists...
...And it appears in many cases I'm more familiar with SDA fundamental doctrine than more than a few SDA's are.
...I'm not debating against the SDA Faith here.

I'm simply showing you what SDA fundamental doctrine is from your own Church archives...
...And asking questions about it.

Consider this my last dialogue even towards you... I would counsel all SDA members on this forum to do the same.

Perhaps another SDA would be willing to help me understand the fundamental Adventist Doctrine....
...That God the Father has a body with all the members, parts & organs of a perfect "man".
...And how that Doctrine allowed the SDA people as a denomination to come into and maintain existence?

It's an honest question and while I've read every Ellen White statement about it that I can find...
...I would like to hear form SDA's how they interpret it and if that fundamental doctrine.
...Is discussed and nurtured in the Sabbath class lesson guide?

 

[tall73]

Perhaps there is insufficient interest. Or perhaps most of the posters here are independent of denominational churches these days.

 

[Kira Light]

Perhaps there is insufficient interest. Or perhaps most of the posters here are independent of denominational churches these days.

I know a few SDA pastors but I haven't talked to them in quite a while. I would definitely be curious about this question but I don't want to contact them just to ask this.

I would strongly suspect they would kind of shrug and say they aren't sure. I'm pretty sure they can get in trouble for openly disagreeing with the church.

 

[Pythons]

I know a few SDA pastors but I haven't talked to them in quite a while. I would definitely be curious about this question but I don't want to contact them just to ask this.

I would strongly suspect they would kind of shrug and say they aren't sure. I'm pretty sure they can get in trouble for openly disagreeing with the church.

What I've discovered is that the "personality of God" Doctrine I quoted above IS the SDA Church teaching....
...I mean if the Pioneers promulgated it with great velocity and Ellen White codified it in her prophetic utterance.
...& both Ellen White and the Pioneers said THAT Doctrine was the fundamental Doctrine.
....& was what held the Sanctuary teaching together.

How could it not be still "THE" fundamental Doctrine Ellen and the SDA Pioneers said it was?

I'm not sure if this teaching is now considered by SDA's to be one of the "present truth doctrines"....
...As in it was only fundamental and true for the period it was believed to be true.
...And later on it was realized to be false therefore it was only true back when it was believed to be?
...I seriously don't know so it would be great if a SDA pastor could show us what this means.

 

[JohnMarsten]

What I've discovered is that the "personality of God" Doctrine I quoted above IS the SDA Church teaching....
...I mean if the Pioneers promulgated it with great velocity and Ellen White codified it in her prophetic utterance.
...& both Ellen White and the Pioneers said THAT Doctrine was the fundamental Doctrine.
....& was what held the Sanctuary teaching together.

How could it not be still "THE" fundamental Doctrine Ellen and the SDA Pioneers said it was?

I'm not sure if this teaching is now considered by SDA's to be one of the "present truth doctrines"....
...As in it was only fundamental and true for the period it was believed to be true.
...And later on it was realized to be false therefore it was only true back when it was believed to be?
...I seriously don't know so it would be great if a SDA pastor could show us what this means.

I think it isnt of importance anymore, ECR didnt know anything about it, so I guess that says it all.

I have never heard about it, and I guess hardly anyone know anything about a God's personality doctrine... so they must have abandoned it (silently)...

But thats just a rough guess...

 

[Stryder06]

Do you just fabricate this stuff for the fun of it...

It sure does seem like it doesn't it.

Jesuits Believe Ellen White is a Prophet - YouTube

 

[OntheDL]

I am proposing an experiment.

Ask your pastor whether they believe in the Adventist investigative judgment. Ask them to explain it to you.

Then report back here the results.
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I know a number I have talked to that do not believe it. Will they admit it to you? Some might, some might not. Some told me privately but in public would not admit to it.

Some would say it because they are in a liberal church, so are not worried about it.

Is a fundamental belief still fundamental if half the church either do not know or or don't believe it?

Isn't it a self-fulfilling prophecy? I remember a few years ago, when you were still supposedly in the SDA ministry, I told you in the end, it will be the ordinary people that embrace the message and finish the work. You didn't like that statement at the time. But you are a proof now.

To answer your question, in the interview with our last pastor, I asked him if he believed the atonement was complete at the cross. He said yes. He and the new pastor after him (of 3 years) preach nothing but the ecumenical message and feel-good sermons.

Our pastoral students for the past few decades have been taught spiritual formation rather than the bible and SDA beliefs.

Whatelse do you expect? Just look up the educational backgrounds of GC presidents, professors and instructors in our schools, colleges and seminaries, many of them were Roman Catholic.

 

[Kira Light]

The Catholics have infiltrated and destroyed the SDA church? That is the first time I've heard that one.

 

[OntheDL]

The Catholics have infiltrated and destroyed the SDA church? That is the first time I've heard that one.

That's ok. There is a first time for everything.

 

[Kira Light]

That's ok. There is a first time for everything.

Is there a collection of evidence for this belief somewhere? I know a lot of SDA's who need to hear about it!

 

[OntheDL]

There is definitely a large collection of evidence: starting from EGW's writings to James Arabito and many after the late Arabito.

I think whoever needs to know about it already know about it.

 

[tall73]

Isn't it a self-fulfilling prophecy? I remember a few years ago, when you were still supposedly in the SDA ministry, I told you in the end, it will be the ordinary people that embrace the message and finish the work. You didn't like that statement at the time. But you are a proof now.

Please link to the conversation.

 

[tall73]

To answer your question, in the interview with our last pastor, I asked him if he believed the atonement was complete at the cross. He said yes. He and the new pastor after him (of 3 years) preach nothing but the ecumenical message and feel-good sermons.

So should we put down one that rejected it or do you think the latter counts as well? We want to strive for accuracy. Maybe you should just break down and ask him too.


I am starting to report the findings in the first post. So if you do ask him be sure and get back to me.

 

[tall73]

Our pastoral students for the past few decades have been taught spiritual formation rather than the bible and SDA beliefs.

Out of curiosity do you see this extending to all teachers and all schools or just some?

Perhaps you could post the material on each school or each teacher for us to look over.

Of course, some schools you would have to be living under a rock not to hear about some of the more unusual aspects like the Agnostic professor.

 

[tall73]

There is definitely a large collection of evidence: starting from EGW's writings to James Arabito and many after the late Arabito.

I think whoever needs to know about it already know about it.

I guess that doesn't include you Kira!

 

[tall73]

The Catholics have infiltrated and destroyed the SDA church? That is the first time I've heard that one.

You stay in the big cities a lot?

You know you won't find the faithful there right?

 

[Kira Light]

I guess that doesn't include you Kira!

It is weird that the SDA posters in this forum are so far out there on the fringe. My mainstream 4th gen SDA family is damned because they don't realize the catholics took over and have been brainwashing them.

Once salvation becomes a contest over who is more righteous things get out of control.

 

[JohnMarsten]

It is weird that the SDA posters in this forum are so far out there on the fringe. My mainstream 4th gen SDA family is damned because they don't realize the catholics took over and have been brainwashing them.

Once salvation becomes a contest over who is more righteous things get out of control.

the catholics took over? sounds interesting, any more info on that?

 

[OntheDL]

The IJ gives us the definitive proof of time of the end and the judgment is the good news. The ecumenism and the sooth sermons diametrically oppose the sanctuary and judgment message.

We have had quite a few pastors. It seems that they on average last about 3 years. So I ask every new pastoral candidate to understand where they are spiritually. The question I ask them is what makes SDA beliefs different from other denominations. Some say the sabbath, some say the state of the dead, not one has ever said to the effect that it's the sanctuary and our understanding of the righteousness by faith derived from it.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

the catholics took over? sounds interesting, any more info on that?

Here's a couple of links I found by doing a simple Google search. Lots of reading and links to follow but if you are interested in this, it's the only way to educate yourself. Does it change anything? No, but we are called to be watchmen...

WELCOME TO THE JESUIT INFILTRATION WEBSITE!

EndrTimes: JESUITS INFILTRATE SDA CHURCH CAUSE IDENTITY CRISIS