Ask me about Islaam

[HumbleSiPilot77]

The only reason I quoted it is obviously because you consider it to be the word of God.

Nonsense. You pretty much got caught and now you are trying to spin it around. It is called intellectual honesty, if you are going to argue something of substance, do not use things that you don't believe in your arguments as a foundation.

 

[2 King]

Now if God died for your sins, that means you can commit as many sins you want, because he dying on the cross covers past, present, and future sins

Not that's not what it means, because we shouldn't take His grace in vain.

As long as you believe Jesus is "lord and savior" you can drink all the alcohol, smoke all the cigarettes, eat all the pork, gamble, commit adultery, all you want, because you are already saved?

That's a huge mis-conception of Christianity...totally wrong.

Trust me I lived in America for a few years, I've seen how this kind of mentality that "i am saved" leads to people having the most unrighteous lifestyle you can imagine. Just look at America which is supposedly the most christian country, and look at the number of divorces (which is against the New Testament ironically), number of kids born out of wedlock, etc.

Trust me, i've been a Christian a long time...I've also seen the mentality you've seen, and that's a unorthodox precept that follows the heresy of Universalism. Those people were never saved to begin with.

And since Allah can't show the greates act of love and Yaweh can, how can they be the same?

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

Firstly, God does not die, He is eternal. Eternal means without beginning and without end. And Our Allaah is Al-Hayy (The Living God) who never dies and will never die. Our God was not strung up naked on a cross to be mocked and humiliated at. Rather, it is our God who punishes the wicked people and bestows mercy, forgiveness, and love to the believers who believe in Him alone and do not associate any partners with Him.

Can anyone tell me why they are in war with the West? Because Allah only appreciates who like Him, if you are not in that gang, you are to be killed. Interestingly, Israel kicking some Muslim/Arab rear in several wars in the area is not considered " it is our God who punishes the wicked people" Because then muslims would be the "wicked" ones.

Now if God died for your sins, that means you can commit as many sins you want, because he dying on the cross covers past, present, and future sins? no. As long as you believe Jesus is "lord and savior" you can drink all the alcohol, smoke all the cigarettes, eat all the pork, gamble, commit adultery, all you want, because you are already saved? Trust me I lived in America for a few years, I've seen how this kind of mentality that "i am saved" leads to people having the most unrighteous lifestyle you can imagine. Just look at America which is supposedly the most christian country, and look at the number of divorces (which is against the New Testament ironically), number of kids born out of wedlock, etc.

Such shallow and superficial understanding of our faith disqualifies you from making such comment because you do not appear to be educated and learned enough to make a just comparison. Unrighteous lifestyle is in the eye of the beholder and it is not judged by your standards. Further, you can't see anyone's heart by just claiming you have lived among them. Your greatest misconception is that you think our faith is free ticket into SIN. You are seriously mistaken, because Christ calls us to be His followers in faith not SIN. Throughout Christian history Salvation was never taught as an instant snap decision, but rather a progress, understanding and spiritual journey, Christians said "they were saved on the Cross from the grip of the sin, they are being saved by God's Grace everyday, and they shall be saved at the last day through His mercy"... Further considering a secular country which has freedoms for anything and everything, where many faith groups live together the representative of Christianity is false at best. People sin, what they do on the outside or their shortcomings DO NOT mean that their religion isalso corrupt, that is some flawed logic.

Now compare to a country like Saudi Arabia, the most Islaamic and righteous society of the world.

No kidding. A righteous society where there is NO respect for human rights, women are treated like property, they can't even drive, religion is subjected to individuals by government police, righteous victim of a crime is considered guilty based on gender... We don't need your dark ages on this side of the ocean. Thank you...

 

[Yusha']

For the OP:

Are you allowed to pray for the people who died already?

Yes we are allowed and in fact encouraged to pray for them (not to them)

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

Indeed my dear respected brother in Islaam.

Actually, the most disturbing thing I find about the trinity is that it is implying God is suffering from a disease known as "Multiple Personality Disorder" (you can read about that here Dissociative identity disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

Doctrine of Holy Trinity doesn't imply any sort of human disorder, you do. At best they called it the heresy of Modallism but even that doesn't conform because God is not a unconscious being that He "thinks or supposes" He is Spirit now, Son back then, or Father now. That argument is a poor and illogical one. Try another.

God is One in the sense that He is One Being or Essence, but He exists as three distinct and different persons each possessing their own will or personality, one is a father, the other is a son, and the third is a ghost.

Enough already with this ignorance. All Three Persons of the Trinity share the same Mind and the same Will, but each with a different and unique expression of that Mind and Will. From a human point of view, it seems as if the Trinity has three minds and three wills, because the Trinity is Three Persons and, in comparison, each of three human person would have his own mind and will. However, the Persons of the Trinity share one and the same Divine Nature, whereas any three separate human persons will exist with three separate examples of the same human nature. As a result, Mind and Will in the Trinity will also seem to be One, because the Trinity is so thoroughly One that every Act of the Trinity, and the very Existence of the Trinity, is One Divine Eternal Act. In truth, Mind and Will and even Existence itself are all One in the Trinity. But the expression of Mind and Will in each of the Three Persons differs in a unique way as a result of the differences in Procession.

 

[Yusha']

What do Salafi Muslims think about the tomb of Muhammad then?

A very important question. While our Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم was in the last stages of his life, he would repeatedly curse the Jews and Christians for making the graves of their prophets into places of worship. hereby he was warning his own followers not to imitate the Jews and Christians and make his grave into a shrine. The first three generations of Muslims (known as the Salaf, from where the word Salafee comes, meaning follower of the way of the Salaf) were very strict about not compromising the teachings of the Quraan and Sunnah. however, many generations later, as Muslims began to deviate into different sects due to outside influence, the grave of Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم was slowly transformed. One of the symbols of this transformation was the building of a dome over the Prophet's tomb, which today is known as the green dome. Similarly, Muslims are suppose to visit the grave of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم and offer prayers for him (not to him). However, many Muslims, especially after the Hajj, come to Madinah and start bowing and prostrating to the Prophet's grave, when they leave, they walk backward so as not to turn their back to the grave, they try to touch the grave to get blessings, and many other pagan customs. However, the Saudi government is doing a good job by posting religious police at the grave and stop these ignorant people from committing such shirk.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yes we are allowed and in fact encouraged to pray for them (not to them)

Where are those at now that you are praying for?

 

[Yusha']

You know, during the Middle Ages, people in Europe started to kill black cats, fearing them as demonic entities or shape-changed witches. This felinocide was so thorough that to this day, you'll be hard-pressed to find a cat that's completely black.
The difference being that even our most pious Christians acknowledge this historical occurrence as a drastic and sad example of superstition, whereas *you* really seem to believe that black dogs are devils.
I don't know if I should laugh or cry, actually. Those poor dogs!


Well, it's a nice parable, sort of - but of course, its effectiveness is based on the fact that dogs were thought of as "unclean" animals not worthy of pity or attention. In a society that valued dogs more, taking pity on a poor mutt wouldn't be such an extraordinary occurrence. I've saved my share of dogs already, for example, and with me not selling my body, I guess that'd make me a saint in a muslim society.

A black cat is no different from a white or yellow or red cat. Cats are tame and quiet animals. However, we know that certain breeds of dogs are more aggressive than others. I myself have passed by houses which keep a black dog that is extremely aggressive, barking viciously, and just looks plain ugly. These are definitely demon possessed dogs without a doubt. The ironic thing is many of them do end up being killed (after attacking someone).

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

I am laughing so hard I must have missed this one

The angels come to the person in the grave and ask him three questions i) who is your Lord ii) what is your religion? and iii) who is your prophet? The correct answers to all these questions are i) Allaah ii) Islaam iii) Muhammad.

I must have been a bad muslim, where was this in the Quran again? Because Quran also said, there was no compulsion in religion, it then said nothing else but islam will be accepted... Here are my answers, 1)Jesus Christ Pantokrator. 2)Love your God with all your mind, with all your heart and all your strength 3)Don't need one, Christ done it all. Now please dare to condemn me to Allah's hell, please!

Whatever is in a person's heart will manifest itself in his answer (so there's no way of cheating in this test)

So it is a show-off test, what happens when you answer them all correctly but you loved dogs... oh brother...

 

[Wicked Willow]

Actually, the most disturbing thing I find about the trinity is that it is implying God is suffering from a disease known as "Multiple Personality Disorder"

What *I* find the most disturbing is that *you* seem to conceive of God as a human being (minus a body, probably): whenever you talk about God, you always talk about "him" as if he were just a person like you or me.
Granted, many Christians habitually do that as well - but at least they tend to agree that God is ultimately unfathomable, and FAR beyond the limitations of a person (even though that doesn't render "him" apersonal, either.)

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

A black cat is no different from a white or yellow or red cat. Cats are tame and quiet animals. However, we know that certain breeds of dogs are more aggressive than others.

That is not because of silly devils, it is because certain genetic and hormonal conjunctions. WW, don't forget though, saliva of the cats are good. Even if the black ones are considered bad luck (and yes that includes muslims countries) they don't have any demons in them. But dogs... don't even mention them.

I myself have passed by houses which keep a black dog that is extremely aggressive, barking viciously, and just looks plain ugly.

So hazrat instantly knew that the dog had a demon in it. The possibility of that the dog was hungry, irritated, sick or specifically trained to bark when strangers are in the premises.

These are definitely demon possessed dogs without a doubt. The ironic thing is many of them do end up being killed (after attacking someone).

Why don't you exorcise them?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

*snip*

Why don't you exorcise them?

Some Jews tried to do that in Acts 19

Acts 19:15 Answering yet the spirit, the wicked one/ponhron <4190>, said to them "Jesus I am knowing, and the Paul I am acquainted, ye yet who are?
16 and leaping upon them, the man in whom was the spirit, the wicked one/ponhron <4190>, according-mastering them is strong against them, so that naked and being wounded, to be escaping out of the house, that.

 

[Wicked Willow]

A black cat is no different from a white or yellow or red cat. Cats are tame and quiet animals. However, we know that certain breeds of dogs are more aggressive than others. I myself have passed by houses which keep a black dog that is extremely aggressive, barking viciously, and just looks plain ugly. These are definitely demon possessed dogs without a doubt. The ironic thing is many of them do end up being killed (after attacking someone).

You do know that dogs are considerably more domesticated (and thus more tame) than cats, don't you?
Sure, there are dogs bred for fighting, brimming with aggression - but that has nothing whatsoever to do with their colour. In fact, one of the most notorious breeds of attack dog is this one: the Bull Terrier.

Finally, to link a dog's aggression to DEMON POSSESSION is, to be frank, ridiculously superstitious.

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

Yes we are allowed and in fact encouraged to pray for them (not to them)

Why, are you going to save them by your prayers?

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

Finally, to link a dog's aggression to DEMON POSSESSION is, to be frank, ridiculously superstitious.

Hey don't post scary UGLY dog pictures, they are demon possessed. And some might have a heart attack seeing them.

 

[Yusha']

originally posted by Yusha

Since God made all of the animals, how can you call them unclean in the sense that something is wrong with them? Can you answer that one in a logical fashion?

Unclean is always in relation to humans. An animal such as a dog or a pig is unclean for people, they are not unclean in general.

The OT defines unclean animals not by such standards. Unclean just meant that the animals were not to be used in worship and for common consumption. It had little or nothing to do with what you think unclean means. There is no such thing as the eating of animals as being taboo. It is just misguided people like Mohammad who would think of such.

What do you mean by "common" consumption? Are you implying certain animals could not be eaten at a communal meal but could be eaten individually?

Furthermore, why were certain animals declared unclean and others as clean. For example, why is swine unclean but lamb is clean? On what basis is such a distinction made? If you say there is no basis for such a distinction, than that is called a "taboo".

Are you really that ignorant, or you just parroting your idiotic Islamic dogma onto us? You are gullible for anything while living in your Islamic bubble. The ban on pork and other foods had to do with separation, which is called holiness. Why the separation? Because God took the Israelites from among other pagans and gave them an unique identity. If you read the Bible, you will see where God tells the Israelites to do things differently so that they will be less inclined to practice customs like the Pagans. He was getting them to behave differently so that there was a less likely chance that they would engage in the evil activities of their neighbors.

And one of those "evil activities" of the pagan civilizations was eating of pork. And the reason God didn't want the Israelites to eat that is because, like you said, He wanted them to be holy and separate from the pagan idol-worshippers.

If what we eat affects our souls, then what are Muslims eating that causes them to go ballistic and kill people who are Muslims and those who are called infidels?

I rarely see Muslims killing infidels, I mostly see it the other way around, i.e. infidels killing Muslims. But that's a political topic that I don't want to open here if you don't mind.

What causes Muslims to go underground and violate the commandments of Allah when they hold private sex parties,

Which Muslims hold "private sex parties". That's more of a Christian thing in case you didn't know.

perform female circumcisions,

Circumcision of both males and females is a good thing and nothing immoral about it.

do honor killings, and other things that a more civilized West is vehemently against?

The civilized west, i.e. the united states has legally approved of over 40 million abortions (killing babies that haven't been born yet). How exactly is the west more civilized than Islamic civilization?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

How come no response to my posts?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

NM......LLOJ unsubscribes

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

This is how we teach our kids to feed the devils.

YouTube - Goofy - Man's Best Friend

 

[Yusha']

I would also like to point out some Christians don't believe in the Trinity

Yes I am aware of that.

, I would also like to point out that Christians are Monotheistic. All Christians believe in One God!

Defining monotheism to simply mean belief in One God is a very narrow and poor definition. In essence, Hindus and Sikhs also believe in one God. But if monotheism simply means belief in one God, what we have to do is further classify monotheism into different types. Like I mentioned, Hindus worship many deities which they regard as different aspects of the One God (whom they refer to as Brahman or Ishwar). Sikhs also believe there is one God, but they believe that God is everything or everywhere (pantheism). Kabbalist Judaism has something similar to pantheism, as does Sufism (which is influenced by Hinduism, Kabbalism and Catholic mysticism). So really, most major religions preach monotheism in the sense that you have defined it to be. Believing in only One God is nothing special, almost everyone believes that.

Christians believe there are three aspects to that God The Father, Son and Holy Spirit but it is One God. The Father is not the son or the spirit and the son is not the father or the spirit but they are all One God. Without understanding basic Christian Beliefs and teachings and explanations of those teachings I wouldnt criticise it. You sound like you have seriously misinterpeted Christian Dogma.

And what if I told you that Hindus believe there are more than three million "aspects" to the One God. Hinduism is at least taking this idea to its logical conclusion, I mean why limit God's aspects to three, why not four, or five, or indeed three million? It makes no sense at all, its a very slippery slope.

This is hillarious there are many sociological reasons why there has been an upsurgance in Islam that has nothing necissarily to do with truth. For example aftert 9/11 people wanted to show others that Islam is peace. Which I whole heartedly agree with. In the same way when Catholic terrorists the IRA bombed places there was an increase in Catholicism because people wanted to show that the IRA were not truely catholic and that Catholicism isnt that bad. It isnt necissarily about the 'truth' Islam claims to have. One religion should not be valued over another we need to work together and create harmony.

I completely, but respectfully disagree with this observation. First of all, 9/11 had the exact opposite effect on many Muslims who are more inclined to assimilation with the west. Many people who were occassionally attending the mosque pre-9/11 now suddenly stop coming, mostly due to fear especially rumors that FBI is monitoring mosques.

Secondly, wanting to prove Islam is peaceful would only apply to Muslims living in the west, but we can see a global resurgence of devotion in the Muslim masses, especially in places like central Asia, south Asia, southeast Asia, Africa, and also Bosnia, which traditionally was very secular and downplayed their Islamic identity. Now we see a global resurgence of Islam by the grace of Allah. On the other hand, if you look at statistics, you see Christianity holds very little influence in Europe. Even traditionally Catholic countries like Italy, Spain, Germany, church attendance is slowly decreasing. Look at attendance for Church of England in England itself you will be totally amazed. Western civilization is actually downplaying its Christian identity and slowly adapting a secular non-religious identity. This is due to simple fact that most people are spending their sunday mornings watching tv, or playing sports, rather than attending church.