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All I'm asking is if God is real, that you - or others in this forum - ask him what polar direction I'm sitting in as I type this. If God is real and wants me to believe he exists, then if he's a rational being, he would reveal to someone in here what polar direction I'm sitting in.Are you asking God to jump through hoops, to do tricks?
Very well said.That might be a legitimate question to ask some of the people who claim to speak for God. Prove that you really speak for him and reveal some information that you wouldn't normally have access to but God would. Doesn't really have anything to do with testing Gods knowledge so much as it does testing peoples claims of communication with God in a literal question and answer format like that. It could help get to the bottom of how well the communication takes place and how full proof the method is.
I've responded to a lot of what's been said. What - in particular - would you like me to respond to?I'd love to see the OP actually respond to what's been said. (We've all been telling you the same thing, and this same concept has been prevalent in most of your threads since your arrival on CF)
I've appreciated some of the feedback you've provided in your other posts. So let's back peddle a little bit. I have been told by many Christians that the following are true:Actually Cieza, I have told you before that God gave Jesus as that 'rat'. If you think about what the expression means that you are using, it is mafia lingo for someone who spilled the beans. Jesus has done that perfectly. So Jesus is that rat. If I listen to the meaning you intend to portray however, it is not that God doesn't care whether you believe He exists, because He gave His only son to suffer the death of a criminal for the sake of you and me. In fact it is you who is stubborn and who doesn't care whether you believe He exist's. If you did care to know God then you would already have found all the answers you need, instead you are making excuse after excuse why you ought not to believe. I'm getting quite fed up with it, you are actually causing me to lose my patience with you. Surely you aren't as stupid as you pretend to be?
I am not insane. I am only processing what is presented to me. My threads and posts in here are based strictly on my first hand observations and what Christians have told me. Since my eyes and ears are always wide open and I get out and see the world, I have made more first hand observations than the average person. That leaves us with what Christians have told me. Perhaps the way Christians have conveyed their belief system to me has failed to serve it justice and has only resulted in confusing me.I think you are insane. I watched my grandmother's demise to bowel cancer, do you think she cursed the one who had given her life? You have a very selfish attitude. When Jesus is King there would be no reason why the buildings are substandard and earths atmosphere will be stable because we will concentrate development on efforts that matter, not just milking the cash cow that is Earth's natural resource. Don't you think global warming, and ultimately, greed, are responsible for what you don't like? I am so eager to see the new Earth!
I doubt that -given the OP your sense of logic is highly debatable - as someone suggested here already your challenge falls down becauseIf God wants me to believe he exists, and he is real, then I've given him about the best opportunity he's ever going to have to show me that he's real.
All I'm asking is if God is real, that you - or others in this forum - ask him what polar direction I'm sitting in as I type this. If God is real and wants me to believe he exists, then if he's a rational being, he would reveal to someone in here what polar direction I'm sitting in.
This thread is for asking God questions. Since there are Christians in here who claim to be able to communicate with God, we'll count on them to ask the questions and then post God's answer when they get a response from God.
First question is to test God's knowledge:
What polar direction am I sitting in as I type this?
West, southwest, south, southeast, east, northeast, north or northwest?
Cieza said:I've appreciated some of the feedback you've provided in your other posts. So let's back peddle a little bit. I have been told by many Christians that the following are true:
1) God is a non-physical being that knows everything and can do anything
2) God wants us to believe he exists
3) Christians have personal relationships with God
4) Christians communicate with God
Now given those 4 items, it would not be unreasonable for a non-believer such as me to ask a Christian who can communicate with God to ask God a question that only I would know the answer to. If the answer came back with precisely what I knew - and there was little room for it to be a coincidence - then it would suggest to me that there really is someone out there who knows everything. This is most definitely not an unreasonable request - especially since I've never seen any evidence (or anything close to evidence) that a fully omniscient & omnipotent being exists.
We can certainly do so, but asking Him this question by no means obliges Him to answer it.All I'm asking is if God is real, that you - or others in this forum - ask him what polar direction I'm sitting in as I type this.
God has given plenty of evidence upon which to rest a belief in Him. Answering your silly question is, therefore, not necessary. We must all of us come to God on His terms, not ours. He is, after all, God - and He is not lessened one iota by your refusal to acknowledge Him. The only one who loses out by your rejection of God is you. God isn't sitting in Heaven gnawing fearfully on His nails, quivering with anxiety over whether or not you'll believe in Him. Far, far from it. He knows you need Him and He has graciously made a way for you walk with Him, but if you don't, well, you will one day face Him as a wrathful Judge.If God is real and wants me to believe he exists, then if he's a rational being, he would reveal to someone in here what polar direction I'm sitting in.
This is a very revealing statement. It loudly proclaims your deep bias against the notion of God. The fact is, there are millions of Christians around the world - including very intelligent and rational people - who have examined the evidence for God and found it thoroughly convincing. The issue, then, isn't that the evidence for God is insufficient. And fussing over the matter of proof of His omniscience and omnipotence is merely a weak way of justifying your continued rejection of your Maker....I've never seen any evidence (or anything close to evidence) that a fully omniscient & omnipotent being exists.
Well I wouldn't allow yourself to elevate your ego above that which is healthy without first warning you of the consequences. Since others have already done so, let this be a reminder to you that you need to check your attitude toward God, it is not very conducive to being on His good side.I've appreciated some of the feedback you've provided in your other posts. So let's back peddle a little bit. I have been told by many Christians that the following are true:
Yes, the operative word is "can". That He has chosen not to is either indicative that a) He doesn't want to, or b) His people don't have sufficient faith to divine the Spirit. Since faith is a gift, it would then be logical to say that in the case of (b) that it is ultimately a result of (a). God does not want to answer your mundane question. He did speak to you though, if you care to remember.1) God is a non-physical being that knows everything and can do anything
2) God wants us to believe he exists
3) Christians have personal relationships with God
4) Christians communicate with God
Contrarily, that is not the role of God's people, we are not psychics. The role of a Christian is to facilitate your relationship to God by introducing you to Jesus Christ. This means we are to assist you in establishing that relationship for yourself. You aren't trying to achieve that and God has given you what you need but you haven't taken heed of His wisdom. You are barking up the wrong tree.Now given those 4 items, it would not be unreasonable for a non-believer such as me to ask a Christian who can communicate with God to ask God a question that only I would know the answer to.
Well I must say that I'm not surprised it isn't working for you, perhaps that is because I know Gods nature a bit better than you do. Others have said you can't boss God around, they are completely correct. You need to esteem Him higher than you esteem yourself, and also humble yourself accordingly. Need I remind you how enormous and mighty this person is, who knows all the sand on the sea shore and all the hairs on your head, He can squash you like an ant and groom you like a pet. If you want to engage with Him you will have to accept His rules. You appear to not be interested in doing that, but only interested in forcing Him to play by your rules, I think that is arrogant. His rules are perfectly reasonable.If the answer came back with precisely what I knew - and there was little room for it to be a coincidence - then it would suggest to me that there really is someone out there who knows everything. This is most definitely not an unreasonable request - especially since I've never seen any evidence (or anything close to evidence) that a fully omniscient & omnipotent being exists.
You cannot blame Christians for what is your own fault. The reason why you are confused is because you aren't listening to what God tells you. God speaks through the bible. Your attitude here:Perhaps the way Christians have conveyed their belief system to me has failed to serve it justice and has only resulted in confusing me.
That is why you are confused about Christianity - you simply don't believe it!Personally, I think the Bible is just a book of good morals written in parables and probably 99% of it is not meant to be taken literally. Jesus is likely a parable as well.
This thread is for asking God questions. Since there are Christians in here who claim to be able to communicate with God, we'll count on them to ask the questions and then post God's answer when they get a response from God.
First question is to test God's knowledge:
What polar direction am I sitting in as I type this?
West, southwest, south, southeast, east, northeast, north or northwest?
Lack of an answer from God leaves us where we're at before I started this thread. That there is no evidence that a fully omniscient & omnipotent being exists.I doubt that -given the OP your sense of logic is highly debatable - as someone suggested here already your challenge falls down because
a) it assumes God will answer such a silly question
and
b) that the person asking God is receptive of God's answer
and
c) God would answer in such a manner that is clear and precise
and so on.
This thread is for asking God questions. Since there are Christians in here who claim to be able to communicate with God, we'll count on them to ask the questions and then post God's answer when they get a response from God.
First question is to test God's knowledge:
What polar direction am I sitting in as I type this?
West, southwest, south, southeast, east, northeast, north or northwest?
Christians have claimed that they can:You also assume that communication with God is as we are having communication now.
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