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The documentary ‘Known Universe’ is showing on the National Geographic channel at the moment. They speak of the conditions existing before the Big Bang as being “nothing”. That’s right, “nothing”. :) And within this “nothing” a proton size particle existed. :)

This primordial particle is said to contain time, space, energy, matter, all the forces of nature, all the ingredients necessary to bake a universe into existence. This particle then expanded faster than the speed of light to become the universe we now live in.

They went on to say that if the universe continues at its present rate of expansion it will rip itself apart in another 20 billion years.

Can all this be verified empirically, or should we just take them at their word? :scratch:

It would seem like the universe began with a 'big bang' and will end with an even bigger bang.

Maybe this much bigger bang will produce a much bigger universe with a much bigger earth inhabited by much bigger creatures like dinosaurs.

But that would be a step backwards, wouldn't it? :)

I must say the computer graphics are quite impressive. To bad they don’t reflect reality.
 
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A couple of New Jersey hunters are out in the woods when one of them falls to the ground. He doesn't seem to be breathing, his eyes are rolled back in his head.

The other guy whips out his cell phone and calls the emergency services. He gasps to the operator: "My friend is dead! What can I do?"

The operator, in a calm, soothing voice, says: "Just take it easy. I can help. First, let's make sure he's dead."

There is a silence, then a shot is heard. The guy's voice comes back on the line. He says: "Okay, now what?"

--Spike Milligan
 
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Is an egg a meat or a dairy product?
Neither. Dairy is any product derived from animal milk, and milk can only come from mammals. Meat is the flesh (muscle, etc) or an animal, which an egg is not. I think it's a class of its own.

Can a man legally marry his widow's sister in the state of Colorado?
No, because he's dead :p.
 
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I can certainly show physical tangible evidence that human beings have been reporting to have a relationship with God since the dawn of recorded human civilization. Every culture on Earth has a word for God in their vocabulary and usually a "Holy Book" describing the relationship between God and man.
Which is neither disputed nor relevant. Do you have any evidence that God exists? I could cite endless books on fairies, but that hardly evidences their existence.
A little historical perspective:

For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”

“Praise be to the LORD, who rescued you from the hand of the Egyptians and of Pharaoh, and who rescued the people from the hand of the Egyptians”...Rom 9:17, Ex 18:10.

Without trying to sound preachy, God was demonstrated (displayed/proclaimed) in the land of Egypt when he rescued the Jewish people from being enslaved there. The nation of Israel was 'born' out of this divine rescue from Egypt.

To deny this divine rescue is to deny Jewish history, to deny Israel as a nation, and even to deny the Jewish people themselves who would not be here today had it not been for this divine rescue.

If you trace the history of the Jewish nation back to its origin you will find them enslaved in Egypt and you will also find God who rescued them from that slavery and made them into a nation in the land which they now live.

Just because this rescue did not occur in your life time does not mean it did not occur in theirs. Just ask any Jew who know their history and they will fill you in on more details. Unless you think they're all crazy to make up such a story.

I would be careful how you approach them, though, you don’t want to sound like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad who denied the holocaust.
 
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A little historical perspective:

For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”

“Praise be to the LORD, who rescued you from the hand of the Egyptians and of Pharaoh, and who rescued the people from the hand of the Egyptians”...Rom 9:17, Ex 18:10.

Without trying to sound preachy, God was demonstrated (displayed/proclaimed) in the land of Egypt when he rescued the Jewish people from being enslaved there. The nation of Israel was 'born' out of this divine rescue from Egypt.

To deny this divine rescue is to deny Jewish history, to deny Israel as a nation, and even to deny the Jewish people themselves who would not be here today had it not been for this divine rescue.
No. I deny that God had a role in the Exodus. The Jews may claim that God had a hand in it, and various sacred texts may assert God's role in it, but I see no reason to believe them. Indeed, I saw no reason to believe the Hebrews were ever enslaved by Egypt until I saw archaeological evidence a few years ago.

So we only have evidence that the Hebrews were enslaved by Egypt, and then they weren't. There is no evidence whatsoever that God had any role in their escape. I daresay that the Jews say God had a role, but then Muslims say God had a role in dictating the Qu'ran, and Hindus say Lord Krishna physically manifests as Avatars.

In my opinion, this is just another example of a historical event that has been embellished over time.

If you trace the history of the Jewish nation back to its origin you will find them enslaved in Egypt and you will also find God who rescued them from that slavery and made them into a nation in the land which they now live.

Just because this rescue did not occur in your life time does not mean it did not occur in theirs. Just ask any Jew who know their history and they will fill you in on more details. Unless you think they're all crazy to make up such a story.
I don't think they're crazy. I have great respect for the Jewish people. However, like all religious people, I believe they simply learn their myths and legends from their parents and society, and teach it to their own children. Ever telling is different, ever person adds their own twang to it, their own flavour. Over time, these build up.
In my opinion, it's just another myth that, over time, has had more and more embellishment added to it.

I would be careful how you approach them, though, you don’t want to sound like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad who denied the holocaust.
Oh, this is rich. "Unless you agree with me, you're as bad as Holocaust-denial-ists! Or even Hitler!!!!1"

Pathetic.
 
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I have done that before. Didn't work out so well. ^_^

A friend of mine tried quantum tunneling through a wall while on a bicycle. (or at least that's how it appeared...) It didn't work, despite being hilarious to watch. Shame it wasn't filmed.
 
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A friend of mine tried quantum tunneling through a wall while on a bicycle. (or at least that's how it appeared...) It didn't work, despite being hilarious to watch. Shame it wasn't filmed.

He just needed to move slower.

A LOT slower.
 
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Indeed, I saw no reason to believe the Hebrews were ever enslaved by Egypt until I saw archaeological evidence a few years ago.
You make it sound like for you seeing is believing, but I know from your belief in dark matter/energy that this is not the case.

In any case, another confirmation of biblical accuracy. :)

It should also be noted that Abraham (the father of the Hebrews) knew this slavery would occur many years before it actually happened, as the biblical records show:

Then the LORD said to him (Abraham), "Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own, and they will be enslaved and mistreated four hundred years. But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves, and afterward they will come out...”...Gen 15:13-14.

Did the writer make an accurate guess of what would happen to the Hebrews, or was he recording what had already happened?

Or should we just say God knew what would happen and let Abraham know in advance?

Remember, we are talking about the originally recorded manuscripts here, and not the biblical copies we now have.
 
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It should also be noted that Abraham (the father of the Hebrews) knew this slavery would occur many years before it actually happened, as the biblical records show:

Then the LORD said to him (Abraham), "Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own, and they will be enslaved and mistreated four hundred years. But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves, and afterward they will come out...”...Gen 15:13-14.

Did the writer make an accurate guess of what would happen to the Hebrews, or was he recording what had already happened?

Neither! The writer was composing a religious document for political purposes.

Or should we just say God knew what would happen and let Abraham know in advance?

You can say whatever you like. I try to avoid uttering ridiculous falsehoods.

Remember, we are talking about the originally recorded manuscripts here, and not the biblical copies we now have.
Or we could be talking about the Necronomicon of the Mad Arab and we don't even have copies of that.

Look, I realize that your god requires you to eradicate all traces of reasoning power from your mind. I am sure everyone here will be glad to bear witness that you have done your best. Now it is time for you to move on.

Go out into the garden, put down a tap root, and become a carrot. That is obviously what your god has in mind for you.

:wave:
 
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You make it sound like for you seeing is believing, but I know from your belief in dark matter/energy that this is not the case.
Indeed: evidence is believing. Show me evidence of God, and I'll believe.

In any case, another confirmation of biblical accuracy. :)

It should also be noted that Abraham (the father of the Hebrews) knew this slavery would occur many years before it actually happened, as the biblical records show:

Then the LORD said to him (Abraham), "Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own, and they will be enslaved and mistreated four hundred years. But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves, and afterward they will come out...”...Gen 15:13-14.

Did the writer make an accurate guess of what would happen to the Hebrews, or was he recording what had already happened?
Both. During the author's time, slavery was a common punishment for the conquered. The author was stating that, as what happens to downtrodden peoples today, so too will happen to our people in the future.

In other words, the ubiquity of slavery is why he used it here, and it is also why we should not be surprised that he was right. It's like saying that, in the future, our descendants will also be plagued by disease and malnutrition. Is this prediction proof of God? Or is it simply an educated prediction, based on known facts?

Besides, don't you think slightly circular to use one part of the Bible to prove events elsewhere in the Bible?

Or should we just say God knew what would happen and let Abraham know in advance?
The wording is so vague, and the text so dubious, that it is arbitrary to say God must have had a hand in it: there are far too many alternate possibilities, most of them more probable than 'Goddidit'. So no, I don't think we should say God let Abraham know, not without good reason.

Remember, we are talking about the originally recorded manuscripts here, and not the biblical copies we now have.
Really? You have access to the original manuscript upon which Genesis was first written down?!
 
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Look, I realize that your god requires you to eradicate all traces of reasoning power from your mind. I am sure everyone here will be glad to bear witness that you have done your best. Now it is time for you to move on.
Sounds like a man who is afraid of truth. Why fight against something you can't defeat. It would be easier for you to just avoid the truth, because fighting against it is pointless. Truth can never be defeated, and a smart man like you should know that. :)
 
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