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How were the ancients able to determine one planet from another thousands of years ago, and even name them, especially Poseidon (Neptune) which is invisible to the naked eye? Did they have telescopes?
 
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You'd stretch out, because the force pulling your feet would be greater than the force pulling your head in. Your feet would accelerate towards the singularity faster than your head, so your entire body would stretch out.

Meh, I'm not a big fan of waves :p Particles, all the way down!

Maybe, if you get caught in the accretion disk and don't actually hit the singularity.

Sure. It's a big, black vacuum! Things enter a black hole just as easily as asteroids hit Jupiter.

It manifests as a bigger black hole. Black holes have only three properties: mass, spin, and charge. So whatever falls into a black hole can only affect those three properties (and the various phenomena that come from them).

Because... an 'inside out' black hole doesn't make much sense. The universe could be a black hole.

There's a delicious idea I once read. Basically, black holes create universes within them, and the properties of the universe are derived from the previous universe, and the black hole. So, in a cosmic version of natural selection, the multiverse becomes disproportionately filled with black hole spawning universes: the majority of universes are going to be those that just so happen to be good at making black holes, since they themselves come from a black-hole-forming universe.


This is one possible way for a multiverse to exist, and it explains away any 'fine tuning' arguments people might have. Fun!
I beginning to appreciate the way you must feel when we talk about God. :)
 
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How were the ancients able to determine one planet from another thousands of years ago, and even name them, especially Poseidon (Neptune) which is invisible to the naked eye? Did they have telescopes?
When you lack the sensory-overloading devices of the modern age, you have a lot more time to appreciate the stars. Even now, we can readily recognise large patterns in the sky: Orion, the Milky Way, etc. To someone who had absolutely no light pollution, who spent their entire lives looking up at the night sky, remembering major stars and seeing how the progress across the sky is quite easy.

Stars (and other, very distant objects) precess around the Earth's axis, so you have them moving in large arcs. Most importantly, they move in the same way: the arrangement of Orion's Belt doesn't change, because it's not the stars that are moving, but the Earth.

The planets, on the other hand, move relative to this 'static' stellar backdrop: while the stars are effectively fixed, Venus moves about relative to the other stars. These errant objects were seen by all humans across the ages, so stories inevitably grew up about them. As unique objects in the sky, they acheived divinity: the planet we call Mercury was associated with many gods, including the Roman god Mercury (hence, obviously, its name).

So that's how the ancients knew about the planets. They saw what appeared to be 'stars' moving quite erratically across the otherwise regular night sky. Today, we name these objects after Graceo-Roman deities (Mercury, Venus, etc).

The planet Neptune, however, is not visible to the naked eye, so the ancients did not know about it. They certainly had a god called 'Neptune', but they were unaware of the planet that we modern people call 'Neptune'.

I beginning to appreciate the way you must feel when we talk about God.
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That's either a compliment or an insult... :p
 
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Is it possible that the entire spiritual world exists on a specific frequency that we can't see?

Has there been any attempts like the human genome project to map the infinite possibilities of this?

Is there any theoretical way that a machine could be made in such a way as to vibrate the air around a person to reveal images to him or her of a frequency below or beyond their capacitive sight? Example, see ultraviolet rays, radio signals, etc.
 
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Aye. And since Dark Matter is in total 100 times heavier than normal matter, it's 100 times the Schwarzschild radius.

EDIT: Woops, I tell a lie, dark matter is only 5 times as heavy as normal matter. Though if dark energy counts, it's 20 times heavier.
Thanks for the info :)
 
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Is it possible that the entire spiritual world exists on a specific frequency that we can't see?
Depends what you mean by 'frequency'. If you mean something like "Angels exist, but we can't see them because the light they emit is in the ultraviolet", then, no, that wouldn't work. Even if the light they emit is invisible to our fleshy eyes, we still have machines that could detect them. And, if nothing else, they'd still physically be there - we could walk right into them.

Has there been any attempts like the human genome project to map the infinite possibilities of this?
Research into the supernatural is ongoing, but most areas have been thoroughly debunked. All the classics have, unsurprisingly, failed to stand up to scrutiny: ouija boards, telepathy, telekinesis, faith healing, remote viewing, fortune telling, prophecy, etc. Newer forms of spiritual hooey, such as 'whale music therapy' and homoeopathy, are less obviously debunked, but debunked they are.

Is there any theoretical way that a machine could be made in such a way as to vibrate the air around a person to reveal images to him or her of a frequency below or beyond their capacitive sight? Example, see ultraviolet rays, radio signals, etc.
I doubt it. Vibrating air won't change the wavelength of light passing through it. We can use machines to view non-visible light, and there are (impractical) ways to shift an object's entire spectrum so that the desired part becomes visible.
 
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Thanks!

Okay, so I don't think I've ever believed in ghosts. To me, that concept always seemed all too buggery for me. *lol*

But with angels, who have appeared before men in the bible, I do truly believe.

From a physicist standpoint, it is more likely that these angels are able to shift their entire spectrum for viewing, came from another dimension, or simply did something that not even the human mind can theorize upon because it goes far too beyond any type of understanding?
 
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Depends what you mean by 'frequency'. If you mean something like "Angels exist, but we can't see them because the light they emit is in the ultraviolet", then, no, that wouldn't work. Even if the light they emit is invisible to our fleshy eyes, we still have machines that could detect them. And, if nothing else, they'd still physically be there - we could walk right into them.
I remember mentioning somewhere that even a brick wall is opaque to x- and gamma rays.
 
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I remember mentioning somewhere that even a brick wall is opaque to x- and gamma rays.
I'd be surprised if bricks were opaque to high energy photons... but I've been wrong before :p. In any case, what we see is a lot less than what there is.
 
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In any case, what we see is a lot less than what there is.
That's why I always tell these guys to 'keep looking', eh?

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
 
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Thanks!

Okay, so I don't think I've ever believed in ghosts. To me, that concept always seemed all too buggery for me. *lol*

But with angels, who have appeared before men in the bible, I do truly believe.
If your view is based on the Bible, I suppose I'll have to leave it at that :p Personally, I find ghosts to be more probable than angels (though still remotely unlikely).

From a physicist standpoint, it is more likely that these angels are able to shift their entire spectrum for viewing,
Shifting one's spectrum doesn't make you invisible per se; shifting your visible light into gamma rays may make you invisible to human eyes, but machines are quite capable of detecting them (that, and the cancer gamma rays cause). Other forms of light aren't invisible either: insects can typically see quite far into the ultraviolet, and some birds can see into the infra-red.

Shifting one's spectrum requires that you're a physical being with a spectrum. Traditionally, angels are more wiffy and etherial than that, not lending themselves to physical manipulation.

came from another dimension,
A dimension is a degree of freedom, such as up-down, left-right, and forward-backward. Some alternate reality or universe is certainly possible, but how could we tell if such a thing even exists?

or simply did something that not even the human mind can theorize upon because it goes far too beyond any type of understanding?
That's always a possibility. But speculating about things beyond human understanding is a doomed exercise: it's beyond human reasoning ^_^. On the other hand, angels themselves seem pretty simple to understand - sentient automata in the guise of winged humans.
 
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That's why I always tell these guys to 'keep looking', eh?

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
The world has always been a mysterious place, even now.
 
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The world has always been a mysterious place, even now.
Just curious -- why do you stipulate 'even now'?

Is science supposed to be bringing us closer to something (or someone)?
 
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Just curious -- why do you stipulate 'even now'?

He suffers from contemporary bias. He thinks he's "real modern", just like everyone has always thought they were real modern. :)
 
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Just curious -- why do you stipulate 'even now'?
Because some mysteries have been solved. Thus, there are less mysteries now than there were, say, a thousand years ago. My point was that even with our cutting-edge knowledge, there are still mysteries to solve.

Is science supposed to be bringing us closer to something (or someone)?
The idea behind science is to learn. One question answered may lead to a hundred more, but, slowly, methodically, we learn.

He suffers from contemporary bias. He thinks he's "real modern", just like everyone has always thought they were real modern. :)
Well, I am modern. 'Modern' means 'of the present'. I'm not sure what your point is...
 
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He suffers from contemporary bias. He thinks he's "real modern", just like everyone has always thought they were real modern. :)

Uh....no. Contrast the attitude you were presented with with previous era's attitudes to their level of knowledge. That comparison doesn't hold.
 
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