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Probably, the time required to go through the thread and find them. I would offer to do it, but I probably would miss some. Whereas you would know which questions you have asked and not received, so if you would be kind, probably you are best able to list those questions in a single post. Then OP could simply give his thoughts quite quickly.What time constraints?
What time constraints?
Thanks.Myth can become accepted as fact because of enough people and forces, who simply need to believe it.
This is a different situation that you describe though, wherein the other religions you claim are comparable, actually do not make a claim that they have unbroken history from the beginning of human race. That actually is quite a significant claim, and still yet nobody has said that it cannot possibly be true.This happens to all religious beliefs, as the faithful to those beliefs, belief the stories are considered fact, even though they believe on faith. Stating it is fact, is a way to feel better about their belief and to create security in the same.
Just because a certain religion gains momentum, has nothing to do with it's truth. You do realize, there are other religions that also proliferated and grew and what we have today, is 2/3 of the worlds population, not being part of the Christian faith.
First thing I would say is, 100% of the world's population is wrong. So this means that you and I have to agree to a threshold that determines who is right. I think that you and I would need to ultimately agree the threshold should determine those destined for everlasting life rather than everlasting destruction. John 10:16, Matthew 25:32, Matthew 7:21-23 paint a picture that religion is not necessarily a qualifier for salvation. So really, you are asking for something from me, based on a straw man - that only Christians are right and all Christians are right.How do you explain 2/3 of the world's population being so wrong?
I love this, thank you!You would really benefit from reading up on this subject; the psychology of belief.
He goes on to say that it usually has an effect of making the person believe even harder against our view.I think one of the things that you have to do if you're trying to help other people see that maybe what it is that they are thinking is not necessarily accurate, is you don't go up to them and say "Hey! You're wrong!"
I love this, thank you!
He says at 1:19
He goes on to say that it usually has an effect of making the person believe even harder against our view.
It's an interesting thing to say. While considering why this is, to find out why I tend to do this so much, I see the value of what Jesus said Matthew 7:2 and Matthew 7:3-5 applies fully. I also see that 1 Corinthians 3:7 describes the same thing, and that Galatians 6:2 describes the right way to live supportively with those in whom we see error.
.. So I'm not sure whether you would find value in seeing these scriptures this way as I do. Maybe you will. I thought it was relevant to mention as it relates to what was said earlier between myself and HitchSlap, for an example of how the bible does correlate to reality.
It just seemed to come to mind as I began writing my thanks to you
Plus, considering emotion related to confirmation bias and disconfirmation bias. I guess the real value in this, is awareness of how we are tempted by emotions to accept or reject ideas, when in doing so, we are acting unjustifiably opposed to the truth.
You might notice that I decided not to accept the proposed dichotomy of evidence vs. emotion. I did this because they aren't dichotomies in my view, but rather emotion usually tends to influence one's view of what constitutes evidence. I am thinking of an example, but now I am not sure that I should say it..
Thanks.
This is a different situation that you describe though, wherein the other religions you claim are comparable, actually do not make a claim that they have unbroken history from the beginning of human race. That actually is quite a significant claim, and still yet nobody has said that it cannot possibly be true.
First thing I would say is, 100% of the world's population is wrong. So this means that you and I have to agree to a threshold that determines who is right. I think that you and I would need to ultimately agree the threshold should determine those destined for everlasting life rather than everlasting destruction. John 10:16, Matthew 25:32, Matthew 7:21-23 paint a picture that religion is not necessarily a qualifier for salvation. So really, you are asking for something from me, based on a straw man - that only Christians are right and all Christians are right.
Not that. What is the plausible alternative view than that which is claimed in the Penteteteuch, for how the Penteteuch came to be?
This is entirely truth. But, you and I do not agree to what the holy spirit testifies is true in this statement. We could though, it's up to you. FYI, I think your view could quite simply change to accept it's truth, by considering and recognising that when you say "If your god has convinced you black is white.." - that in this you are making a judgement. Whereas if you read this for the hypothetical question it appears to be, then your whole statement is one of truth. The resulting conclusion of this statement, is that the god I know can relate to me better than you can.
I really don't think it is possible, because I see it isn't a realistic idea of truth. Truth is like a rock that can't be broken. All the saints who know the truth as they know God too, cannot be convinced otherwise. Jesus said "the father has given them to me, and no-one can snatch them from my hand". Remember that Satan challenged God to demonstrate this with Job.
It's straightforward enough, just because the author of Genesis wrote about the genealogy from Adam to Noah does not imply that it's historical. Adam, in the first chapters of Genesis, can quite literally translate to "earth creature", much of the myth implies this.Can you please expand this for me?
I said that believing that the stories are historical because of the genealogies doesn't make sense, we have similar lists of ancient figures living for very long time.Do you think that the Epic of Gilgamesh is attempting to achieve the same as the stories in Genesis and Exodus? If so, can you please also show me some quotes from each of those works that will demonstrate your reasoning.
My version of truth requires no magical thinking...it comes down to things like evidence for an idea and what is considered reasonable by that evidence.
It's not a matter of me becoming convinced as you do...it's a matter of you judging this thing the way you do everything else.
My remark about black and white actually comes from Ignatius Loyola...
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
And Ignatius was wrong. The church does not decide what is right or wrong or what is true or false. The church is to speak and promote and live according to truth, not define it.
What are you referring to?
Where does this truth come from, the church speaks about and promotes?
Its affect...What part didn't you understand?
Its affect...
What are you referring to when you say it?
That's understandable. We all have lives outside of CF. Hope all goes well with the move. I suppose we could start here, since the other questions I asked are also related to it more generally.I'm moving this weekend and I also am editing and reviewing my brother's paperwork which he has to submit as a part of his application process for a local police department. I also am a small business owner and have some projects I am coordinating so my time I can spend here is more curtailed than usual.
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