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I guess you looked to the Bible when you learned to drive a car, learned to use the internet, and all that other stuff, huh?
SO IS SLAVERY AND MISTREATMENT OF WOMEN SOCIALLY AND MORALLY ACCEPTABLE?
SO IS SLAVERY AND MISTREATMENT OF WOMEN SOCIALLY AND MORALLY ACCEPTABLE?
And if you ask St. Paul, who wrote the Epistle to Philemon (owner of the slave Onesimus), he'll probably say, "Yes".
Well, the value of a woman IS three-fifths that of a man. (Leviticus 27:1-7).
Have you actually READ the Bible? Paul specifically talks about how women are subservient and may not lead men, AND discusses the correct way to own slaves...Quote:
SO IS SLAVERY AND MISTREATMENT OF WOMEN SOCIALLY AND MORALLY ACCEPTABLE?
no, both are unacceptible according to the bible.
Sorry, but weren't you the guy a few days ago saying that "God's word is unchangeing and eternal"?That is not true anymore, not after the second adam.
Have you actually READ the Bible? Paul specifically talks about how women are subservient and may not lead men, AND discusses the correct way to own slaves...
Sorry, but weren't you the guy a few days ago saying that "God's word is unchangeing and eternal"?
can you provide real world examples of "hurt" inAs I said in another thread that you simply ignored after awhile, granted the thread is closed now, sex not condowned by God is hurtful to relationships.
so what are we to make of the many biblical passages that accept, endorse and even glorify activities and situations we currently find immoral? Rape, slavery, murder, human sacrifice, animal sacrifice, racism, genocide? Are we to accept these as moral just because there are bible passages that say they are?The Bible is the definitive statement on moral right and wrong. It is God's Word on what is and is not moral behavior.
I have already spoken to this question, and shown it to be irrelevant. Please read earlier in the thread.
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context-schmontext... Paul approves of slavery as a concept. No amount of semantic wordplay will get you out of the fact that the Bible supports slavery and the degredation of women... IF you insist it be taken literally and insist that every book is relevent now as it was when it was written.Chapter and verse please? And be very careful about the context.
MORE semantics???It is but you might want to read exegesis of the original languages, in context.
Because the Bible is, demonstrably, NOT the word of God.Why would a Christian not consider the Bible the highest authority of right and wrong? If one is committed to God, one must consider what God says on the subject.
As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. (1 Corinthians 14:33-35)Chapter and verse please? And be very careful about the context.
...noAnd anyway... this thread is about NON BIBLICAL reasons why homosexuality is wrong. Are there any?
Because any reading of the bible is open to interpretation.Why would a Christian not consider the Bible the highest authority of right and wrong? If one is committed to God, one must consider what God says on the subject.
And anyway... this thread is about NON BIBLICAL reasons why homosexuality is wrong. Are there any?
In the broadest, most general terms... universal ethicality is to do with providing guidlines by which a healthy and happy society may be run... guidlines which allow for people to get on with their lives with the bare minimal of intervention by anyone else.As already noted- by what standard are we to judge something right or wrong, if the absolute truth is set aside?
In the broadest, most general terms... universal ethicality is to do with providing guidlines by which a healthy and happy society may be run... guidlines which allow for people to get on with their lives with the bare minimal of intervention by anyone else.
So my question is... if it weren't for those Bible passages that have been discussed ad infinitum et ad nauseum elsewhere... is there any reason to imagine that homosexuality is contrary to any perceivable ethical model?
provided it is done with the mutual, informed consent of anyone else involved, yes.So the standard now for right and wrong is- whatever makes you happy? At least in this example?
provided it is done with the mutual, informed consent of anyone else involved, yes.
Do you have a problem with that?
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