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wELL THIS THREAD IS SUPPOSED TO BE A FORUM FOR PEOPLE TO EXPLAIN THEIR POSITION without TROTTING OUT TIRED IRRELEVANT bIBLE VERSES, SO, EITHER EXPLAIN HOW, IN OBSERVABLE REALITY, (oops, sorry caps) physical intimacy destroys same sex relationships, or don't say such things in the first place.So, I speak what comes from the bible.
wELL THIS THREAD IS SUPPOSED TO BE A FORUM FOR PEOPLE TO EXPLAIN THEIR POSITION without TROTTING OUT TIRED IRRELEVANT bIBLE VERSES, SO, EITHER EXPLAIN HOW, IN OBSERVABLE REALITY, (oops, sorry caps) physical intimacy destroys same sex relationships, or don't say such things in the first place.
All I've ever asked for is objective evidence...
The bible is objective and clearwELL THIS THREAD IS SUPPOSED TO BE A FORUM FOR PEOPLE TO EXPLAIN THEIR POSITION without TROTTING OUT TIRED IRRELEVANT bIBLE VERSES, SO, EITHER EXPLAIN HOW, IN OBSERVABLE REALITY, (oops, sorry caps) physical intimacy destroys same sex relationships, or don't say such things in the first place.
All I've ever asked for is objective evidence...
No its not, nor is it relevent in this thread.
I'm interested to know if anyone has any reason why we should consider homosexuality immoral or improper, without reference to Leviticus of Romans...
That is to say, is there an objective, empirical reason why homosexuality should be considered immoral or "wrong" in ANY moral framework, not just the Judeo-Christian one?
Not a question to be asked to brainwashed sheep...
yet open to endless variations of interpretation and bias... at some point you have to use logic and first principals to make your own decisions... or at the least, admit that your opinions are spoon fed to you by someone elseYes it is, it's the absolute truth.
fine right good... why not go talk about it any of the bazillion other threads here where people don't ask you for a NON-Biblical rationaleI don't care about what is right or wrong in "any" moral framework. There is one God, YHWH, Jehovah God, who has given us His word in the Bible, and His moral code is all that matters.
This was in response to the claim that somehow same sex relationships need to be physical rather this is somethign that grows out of a relationship.They don't need physical contact, physical contact is somthing that grows out of a relationship.
If this were so there would be no arguments about interpretation there would be no need for interpretation.The bible is objective and clear
fine right good... why not go talk about it any of the bazillion other threads here where people don't ask you for a NON-Biblical rationale
The bible is objective and as far as my clear comment I was reffering to this issue.If this were so there would be no arguments about interpretation there would be no need for interpretation.
This was in response to the claim that somehow same sex relationships “need” to be physical rather this is somethign that grows out of a relationship.
They obviously do not any more than heterosexual relationships need to be physical.
Duh you have to use logic...I never said you didn't and the bible is objective the readers biases just get in the way which is different.yet open to endless variations of interpretation and bias... at some point you have to use logic and first principals to make your own decisions... or at the least, admit that your opinions are spoon fed to you by someone else
Ah... so, maybe it ISN'T quite as objective and clear as you initially said... now you have to use logic... presumeably to INTERPRET it...Duh you have to use logic...
Nonsense. Can you come up with a NON BIBLICAL reason to condemn murder? Sure... bad for society, upsets people, counter productive, the list goes on. See? No Bible verse needed. My initial question, and my intention for this whole thread, was to see if anyone could do something similar for this thread. Thus far, I've seen lots of whining about why they should be allowed to cite the Bible even in a discussion that is supposed to be strictly NON-biblical... but I've seen no attempt to explain anything apparently wrong with homosexuality that relies on self contained logic and social principals.Why ask a moral question of a Christian and then exclude the Bible?? As someone else pointed out, that is the same thing as asking a bird to fly, right after cutting off it's wings.
Nonsense. Can you come up with a NON BIBLICAL reason to condemn murder? Sure... bad for society, upsets people, counter productive, the list goes on. See? No Bible verse needed. My initial question, and my intention for this whole thread, was to see if anyone could do something similar for this thread. Thus far, I've seen lots of whining about why they should be allowed to cite the Bible even in a discussion that is supposed to be strictly NON-biblical... but I've seen no attempt to explain anything apparently wrong with homosexuality that relies on self contained logic and social principals.
Really? Suggest you check your facts and don't extrapolate American statistics to the rest of the World.Sure then, how about this. Homosexual males make up about 2-3% of the population, and yet are nearly half the cases of AIDS. Coincidence?
Has there been a study yet that demonstrates a CAUSAL LINK between homosexuality and spousal abuse?Studies show that homosexuals are far more likely to experience domestic violence/"spousal abuse".
why not?At the same time I do not think that homosexuals should be allowed to adopt or be foster parents,
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