As Simple As It Gets

[bricklayer]

Matter's Special Relativity:
Matter is that with mass.
Space is position relative to matter.
Time is the progressive sequential incrementing of the matter-space continuum.
Energy is matter's changing relative positions over time.
A particle of matter cannot occupy more than one relative position to the balance of matter,
in any one increment of time.
A particle of matter cannot occupy the same relative position to the balance of matter,
in any two increments of time.
Time cannot be infinitely regressive or the present moment could not occur.
Time is a progressive sequence. As time moves away from zero, it increases.
Time can be an infinitely progressive sequence; however,
the potentially available information, complexity and energy become vanishingly insignificant.
As time increases, entropy increases.
Matter is therefore finite and therefore contingent.
The matter-space-time continuum is not a necessary or open system.
This begs an efficient cause.

 

[laconicstudent]

Time cannot be infinitely regressive or the present moment could not occur.

the potentially available information, complexity and energy become vanishingly insignificant.

As time increases, entropy increases.
Matter is therefore finite and therefore contingent.

The matter-space-time continuum is not a necessary or open system.
This begs an efficient cause.

Um, you need citations for these. And what is your point, anyhow?

 

[Cabal]

Matter's Special Relativity:
Matter is that with mass.

It's a bit more complicated than that.

Space is position relative to matter.

Not quite - the degree of matter matters too.

Time is the progressive sequential incrementing of the matter-space continuum.

Define "incrementing the continuum"....

Energy is matter's changing relative positions over time.

Don't forget acceleration! The rules differ for non-inertial frames!

A particle of matter cannot occupy more than one relative position to the balance of matter, in any one increment of time.

Well, maybe when we get that theory of quantum gravity rolled out

It does depend on what scale you're talking about. Particle of matter - yet again, not quite so simple.

A particle of matter cannot occupy the same relative position to the balance of matter in any two increments of time.

Erm....why not?

And are we talking about fermions or bosons here?

Time cannot be infinitely regressive or the present moment could not occur. Time is a progressive sequence. As time moves away from zero, it increases.

This sounds like it's treating time as some kind of external entity to a system. It's not. It's subject to relativistic effects.

Time can be an infinitely progressive sequence; however,
the potentially available information, complexity and energy become vanishingly insignificant.

Yup.

As time increases, entropy increases.

....for a closed system and on certain length scales.

Matter is therefore finite and therefore contingent.

The former yes - the latter...not necessarily. Seems like a bit of a jump.

The matter-space-time continuum is not a necessary or open system.

No disagreement there.

This begs an efficient cause.

This just begs the question.

If all you're going to resort to is "Goddidit", you can dispense with the scientific preamble - which, by the way, given that it appears in a thread entitled "As Simple as it Gets" is a bit inaccurate in places - oversimplified, one might say.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Matter's Special Relativity:
Matter is that with mass.

And then some.

Space is position relative to matter.

Relativity begs to differ.

Time is the progressive sequential incrementing of the matter-space continuum.

Possibly, but that's a wild conjecture if ever there was some.

Energy is matter's changing relative positions over time.

Among other things.

A particle of matter cannot occupy more than one relative position to the balance of matter,
in any one increment of time.
A particle of matter cannot occupy the same relative position to the balance of matter,
in any two increments of time.

Time cannot be infinitely regressive or the present moment could not occur.

That's an ancient mathematical fallacy that represents a severe misunderstanding of infinity.

Time is a progressive sequence. As time moves away from zero, it increases.
Time can be an infinitely progressive sequence; however,
the potentially available information, complexity and energy become vanishingly insignificant.
As time increases, entropy increases.

Only in closed systems. Entropy is not synonymous with "available information, complexity and energy".

Matter is therefore finite and therefore contingent.

Non sequitur.

The matter-space-time continuum is not a necessary or open system.

Non sequitur.

This begs an efficient cause.

Non sequitur.


So, not one of your lines is actually correct. It's fallacy after fallacy, misunderstanding after misunderstanding. Poor effort, D-, see me after class.

 

[sandwiches]

As usual, laconicstudent, Cabal, and Wiccan Child have to ruin the fun with their facts and critical thinking! I thought this was gonna be as simple as it gets. =(

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Matter's Special Relativity

Matter is real; Special Relativity is a myth.

Matter is that with mass.

Define mass.

Space is position relative to matter.

Correct.

"When formerly I regarded space as an immovable real place, possessing extension alone, I had been able to define absolute motion as change of this real space. But gradually I began to doubt whether there is in nature such an entity as is called space; whence it followed that a doubt might arise about absolute motion." -- Gottfried W. Leibniz, polymath, 1695

"Leibniz also disagreed with other aspects of Newtonianism, such as the use of gravity, which he held to be a revival of occultism, and Newton's use of space as an absolute. Leibnizian physics defined motion and therefore space as relational." -- William E. Burns, historian, 2001

Time is the progressive sequential incrementing of the matter-space continuum.

"Time is not an empirical conception. For neither coexistance nor succession would be perceived by us, if the representation of time did not exist as a foundation a priori. Without this presupposition we could not represent to ourselves that things exist together at one and the same time, or at different times, that is, contemporaneously, or in succession." -- Immanuel Kant, natural philosopher, 1781

 

[Meshach]

Time, space and matter. When I think of these three things, Genesis 1:1 always comes to mind.
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

The beginning of beginnings. the divine creation of these three things. Time, space and matter. Here is an excerpt from something I read .

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This is what blows my mind about this verse. God created the cosmos. He created time, space, and matter. All of which are necessary for all other things made. If there were no time, then there would be no way to measure distance or matter. If there were no space, there would be no way to measure time or matter. If there were no matter, there would be no way to measure time and space. Each exists for the other and none of them can exist without the other.It truly is the first of the firsts.

Now if we take Genesis 1:1 and break it down we have this

"In the beginning" here we have the start of time "God created" here we have a force (God) and action (created) "the heaven" here we have space "and the earth" here we have matter. Isn't it amazing how much God packed in just the first 10 words of His Word?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

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This is what blows my mind about this verse. God created the cosmos. He created time, space, and matter. All of which are necessary for all other things made. If there were no time, then there would be no way to measure distance or matter.

I find a ruler is better for measuring distance than a clock .

The rest is... inane. No offence.

 

[Meshach]

I find a ruler is better for measuring distance than a clock .

The rest is... inane. No offence.

I think you might of misunderstood the mans quote. He is speaking of in the beginning as God created time space and matter. There were no rulers then, or clocks. Inane indeed.

 

[Cabal]

I think you might of misunderstood the mans quote.

Freudian slip there, perhaps....

He is speaking of in the beginning as God created time space and matter. There were no rulers then, or clocks. Inane indeed.

This doesn't change the fact that you don't need time to measure matter or distance.

 

[Meshach]

Freudian slip there, perhaps....



This doesn't change the fact that you don't need time to measure matter or distance.

I understand that, but time can be used. And if it is God who is doing the measuring, I am sure it was perfect. However, this is the point that stuck out to me and how it relates to time, space and matter in the first verse of the bible. "Each exists for the other and none of them can exist without the other.It truly is the first of the firsts."