As a thief in the night.

[ddrgkd]

Jesus Christ will come back when the last person on earth has had a chance to answer Him. It might be closer then you think. Almost every one has heard of Jesus Christ and the salvation He offers. No one knows the day or the hour so you don’t need to put it off. Christ will give you salvation from sin if you ask for forgiveness and believe that he died on the cross for you and was buried and rose three days later conquering hell and the grave to save us from our sin. He has made it possible for all to have salvation. It will be the best thing you have ever done. After your Saved you can be happy in knowing you will die no more. But will be in heaven forever. Find a good Christian church and go proclaim that you have been saved.


MATTHEW 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.




Salvation is yours for the asking.

 

[randomguy1]

Jesus Christ will come back when the last person on earth has had a chance to answer Him.

What scripture backs this claim?

 

[sealacamp]

He is probably referencing this scripture which was spoken by Jesus.

And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations will hear it; and then the end will come.

Sealacamp

 

[randomguy1]

Ah, Matthew 24:14. Thanks.

 

[eliems]

As you can see from this verse All will hear the Gospel ...

Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth—to every nation, tribe, language and people. Rev 14:5

This is after the Rapture and so it can not be said that first the Gospel must be preached to all the world and then we shall be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.

It is as was said in Matthew that first the Gospel shall be preached and then the End shall come.

It may come at any time now!

Even so come Lord!

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

Good thread here guys.

 

[ddrgkd]

What scripture backs this claim?

The example Jesus is g[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']iving[/FONT] is that no one will know the day.

1THESSALONIANS 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. 7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for a helmet, the hope of salvation.

 

[ddrgkd]

As you can see from this verse All will hear the Gospel ...

Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth—to every nation, tribe, language and people. Rev 14:5

This is after the Rapture and so it can not be said that first the Gospel must be preached to all the world and then we shall be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.

It is as was said in Matthew that first the Gospel shall be preached and then the End shall come.

It may come at any time now!

Even so come Lord!

Thank you for the scripture.

 

[ddrgkd]

Good thread here guys.

You’re not reading that right the one that is left behind will not be lucky at all or a Christian "Christ like" and if there left behind they haven’t been saved yet. Have you read MATTHEW 24? There will be a rapture. Are you saved, Have you asked Jesus Christ to forgive you of your sins? After tribulation there will be no earth as we know it. There will be a new earth and a new heaven.

REVELATION 21
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

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[LiturgyInDMinor]

You’re not reading that right the one that is left behind will not be lucky at all or a Christian "Christ like" and if there left behind they haven’t been saved yet. Have you read MATTHEW 24? There will be a rapture. Are you saved, Have you asked Jesus Christ to forgive you of your sins? After tribulation there will be no earth as we know it. There will be a new earth and a new heaven.

REVELATION 21
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Thanks for commenting on my sig.
I'm very saved thanks for asking.
I edited my sig so as to not allow anymore Off topic conflict from here on out.
I still don't see any proof of a pretrib rapture(to address this now)....thanks for being concerned though.

BACK on topic....carry on.

 

[eliems]

Revelation 3

10Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. 11I am coming soon.

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

We should first note that this is written to the church of Philadelphia which is the sixth church to be addressed. We should note that it based on the fact that they kept Jesus' command to endure patiently. Can we take a promise to just one of the seven churches and apply it to the whole church? What about the elect in Mark 13:20 who come out of the tribulation. What about the great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language (Rev 7:9) these all come out of the great tribulation (Rev 7:14).
Since this is being continued due to my sig...Rev 3 v10-11 is NOT proof of a pretribulation rapture. Thanks for listening.

 

[Yekcidmij]

MATTHEW 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Matthew 24 isn't refering to a rapture of believers. It's refering to the seperation of believers and unbelievers and those that are taken in the passage are the unbelievers who are under judgment. Luke records the same thing:


Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there will be two people in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 17:35 There will be two women grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.”17:36 [[There will be two in the field; one will be taken and the other left.]]
17:37 Then the disciples said to him, “Where, Lord?” He replied to them, “Where the dead body is, there the vultures will gather."


In Luke, the disciples naturally want to know where those taken are going, "Where Lord". The response given is that those that are taken are taken to judgment and their deaths.

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

Thankyou!!!!!!!!

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

Also to add, since we're on the topic(sorry OP!)...
A passage much debated regarding the timing of the Rapture is Revelation 3:10, which speaks of the Philadelphian church being "kept from the hour of trial which is about to come upon the whole earth to test those who dwell on the earth." The debate centers around the phrase "kept from" which could be taken to mean "physical removal from" (Pre-trib) or "preservation from or in the midst of" (Post-trib). However it is interesting to note that the verse denotes that the testing is for "those who dwell on the earth." This is a common phrase referring to unbelievers. What we see later in Revelation, on at least 3 occasions, is that the saints are "sealed" and kept out of harm's way when God pours out specific judgments which only affect His unbelieving enemies
Linguistics highlights the idea that Christians are preserved by God through the tribulation rather than removed:

I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.(John 17:15)

This passage is one of the most blunt verses, showing that Jesus himself did not want the Christians taken out of the world in order to protect them from evil but had the intention of preservation in the midst of it. This is a place where pre-tribulationism lacks linguistic favor because this verse and Revelation 3:10 are the only places where the exact phrase tereo ek translated from Greek into keep from are found and that by the same author, the disciple John.

 

[MrJG]

NoRaptureBaptist,
What do you do about 2 Thessalonians 2:3?

P.S. I believe in a pre-trib rapture


Note: I don't feel as if we are going off topic from the OP because the OP was dealing with the rapture.

 

[icamewithasword]

NoRaptureBaptist,
What do you do about 2 Thessalonians 2:3?

May I ask what you think of it?

P.S. I believe in a pre-trib rapture

I'm still studying and praying on this one. The more I read and pray, I am understanding that there is not.....

Note: I don't feel as if we are going off topic from the OP because the OP was dealing with the rapture.

Agreed

 

[MrJG]

I believe that 2 Thes. 2:3 refers to the rapture of the church when Paul says "a falling away." Many good men of God interpret this to be a falling away of people from the church or the coming to fruition of the apostate church. I believe that it is actually the rapture of the church that is mentioned here.

We also know that the man of sin (the antichrist) can not be revealed until the Holy Spirit (2 Thes. 2:7 "He who letteth") is taken away. Since the Holy Spirit dwells in true believers, then it is logical to assume that we must also be taken away.

 

[icamewithasword]

I believe that 2 Thes. 2:3 refers to the rapture of the church when Paul says "a falling away." Many good men of God interpret this to be a falling away of people from the church or the coming to fruition of the apostate church. I believe that it is actually the rapture of the church that is mentioned here.

I read the above verse to be warning not to listen to the false prophets and teachers; and tells how there will be a great rebellion against God (Christians?) and that then the deceiver (antichrist) will then be revealed. The deceiver will then exalt himself, sit in the temple of God, and even proclaim he is God. I don't read anything about rapture here.

We also know that the man of sin (the antichrist) can not be revealed until the Holy Spirit (2 Thes. 2:7 "He who letteth") is taken away. Since the Holy Spirit dwells in true believers, then it is logical to assume that we must also be taken away.

It is my understanding: Paul is speaking here of the lawlessness is already secretly at work, and it will remain secret until the one holding it back steps away. The one holding lawlessness back could be the Holy Spirit, but could also be the rule of law. Can you imagine the lawlessness that would come if there were no laws or keepers of laws?
Anyways.....I'm still studying this....
Thanks and God Bless.