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Arnold Murray's Teaching

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huh? I made no such claim...post my quote if there is one. there is not.
I say the number is indeed 666...unlike you who change it to mean 6,6,6.

The problem is Watchman_2 creates an artificial choice by limiting everyone to his understanding of the number 666. It’s like bringing you to a car lot where they offer only black or white cars and telling you that this is the only choice you have, never mind that across the street is another car lot selling them in yellow, blue, green and many other colors. I persist in trying to force you to choose between black and white as if the other colors simply do not exist.

The choice between accepting 666 as referring to the sixth trumpet, sixth seal and sixth vial or else it must be referring to six hundred and sixty six different prophecies about Satan is an artificial choice. Scripture nowhere limits us to this understanding. Most importantly, the passage itself does not imply either of these conclusions. It rather implies the number of the name of the beast. Many Biblical students have at least some knowledge about Greek numbers and letters. So what John is leading us to here is not necessarily as obscure as either of these interpretations would make it. The concept of branding or marking is also something with a bit of a historical background. If we start there, we may avoid ending with many of the conclusions floating around out there.
 
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I guess that my point is, most all the symbology found in Rev is either outright explained for us in Rev itself, or is found in the OT prophets.

since we have other examples of 666 in the bible, I say we explore them.

I hold Arnold Murray in the absolute best, highest human biblical teaching catagory that there is....but no man knows it all...

now, watchman2 claims that the 6th seal`s part of 666, is the 1st seal written, which is by his interp, and mine, the 6th one chronologically.

but i have never heard Arnold Murray teach this as part of the 666.
that is what I was originally questioning...but it led to what it led to!

cheers!
 
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I didn’t read the whole exchange as I have already posted much on this thread as well. But it sounded as if we both agree that Watchman_2 presents his own understanding of that passage of Revelation as if his conclusions (sixth seal, trumpet and vial or six hundred and sixty six different prophecies) are the only options one has to choose from when “interpreting” it. I got that impression from the post above. I suppose I should have quoted it.

Of course like you I don’t agree with the false choice between only those two interpretations as the most obvious interpretation is the one given to us in the passage itself. Anyway, I thought I was reinforcing your point that the “choice” he gives one between those two view points does not cover all possibilities for understanding that passage. Therefore it is possible to reject both of those options and still come to a plausible understanding of what is being said in that passage.
 
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Replying to post #1 by Truth_Files.

Ive never heard him say that we are "gods". He may have referred to Elohim being God and His children but he didn't say "God and His gods". I think you are taking what he is saying out of context.

I have heard him speak of Psalms 82:6, "I have said, Ye are gods." as Ye are God's property. Meaning you belong to God. As it is written: Ezekiel 1:4, "Behold, all souls are Mine."

We did exist with God before this flesh earth age. Have you ever read the book of Jeremiah 1:5? Before Jeremiah was even born God already knew who Jeremiah was. Before Jeremiah was birthed from the womb God said, "I sanctified the, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nation." This is before Jeremiah even walked the earth, he didn't have the chance yet to do good works or evil works but God sanctified and ordained him way before birth.

And Jacob and Esau. They were not born yet when God said "Jacob have I loved but Esau have I hated." Romans 9:13, Malachi 1:3. If God already knew all souls before He placed them in the womb then souls exisited prior to this flesh earth age.

Furthermore, have you ever read the book of Ephesians? 1:4 says that "...He hath chosen us in Him BEFORE the foundation of the world." Before this flesh world began, even YOU were chosen by God to serve Him through Jesus Christ.

Modalism????
The Trinity is God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit they're all the same: One God. Have you ever read John 1:1? The Word was with God and the Word was God. 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh." 1 Timothy 3:16, ".....God was manifest in the flesh." That is the Trinity, all three of them are One God.

Here is another: John 14:8,9,10. Philip asks Jesus "Show us the Father." In verse 9. "Have "I" been so long time with you and yet hast thou not known "Me" Philip?"

You said: "Additionally, God is not a man " God became a man, 1 Timothy 3:16. God is omnipresent. He can be in Heaven and on the earth.

Speaking of Jesus, did not God say to call His name Immanuel? What does Immanuel mean? GOD WITH US.
 
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Good post!
 
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you speak Truth
may the Lord bless you on the Way, my friend
the beaten path ... closed eyes and ears ...
and the beat goes on ...
lilmiss
 
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THANK YOU, zeke37!


 
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