Army Recruiting

[rppearso]

If you don't get how a draft dodger or your own actions have no honor...I'm not about to waste my time explaining it to you.

Draft dodgers never signed anything and I was let out and was never AWOL so while you may not agree with my decision or that of a draft dodger I dont see how it is dishonorable.

How about this question, what about someone who does not dodge the draft but refuses to serve and chooses jail instead, is that person dishonorable and if so how?

 

[I'ddie4him2]

I appologize the character of service was "uncharacterized", no spn code was noted the the RE-3.

I have some news here that might "enlighten" you on your RE code. A longtime buddy of mine is a a Marine corps recruiter and he told me that the only time an RE-3 is given is when the person is "marginal and non productive"

That says ALOT about why you were released.

My buddy's expereince in seeing this specific type of RE code was for sick bay commandos that were trying to bail out of training for any little sickness or ailment.

Perhaps less bad mouthing of the DI's and service itself might be more in line with the real purpose of this forum ??

 

[I'ddie4him2]

Draft dodgers never signed anything and I was let out and was never AWOL so while you may not agree with my decision or that of a draft dodger I dont see how it is dishonorable.

How about this question, what about someone who does not dodge the draft but refuses to serve and chooses jail instead, is that person dishonorable and if so how?

It IS dishonorable in the respect that when you enlisted you signed papers promising to do your duty and you willingly and knowingly failed to keep that promise.

You could have easily filed paperwork for contientious objector status. It is common and the paperwork IS available.

Instead you chose to enlist and made a promise that you willingly broke. I went thru 2 branches of the service and the DI's behaviour was not what I would call harrassment but meant to change you from a civilian into military and there IS a logical methodical way to do it.

If you can't hack psychological and physical training to make it in the military then why enlist to begin with ??

Free medical and dental benefits ?? College reimbursement ??
Free meals and lodging ?? Do these things come free ??
NO, You have to give something back in return for this. It's called honoring a commitment. We all did in here.

 

[rppearso]

It IS dishonorable in the respect that when you enlisted you signed papers promising to do your duty and you willingly and knowingly failed to keep that promise.

You could have easily filed paperwork for contientious objector status. It is common and the paperwork IS available.

Instead you chose to enlist and made a promise that you willingly broke. I went thru 2 branches of the service and the DI's behaviour was not what I would call harrassment but meant to change you from a civilian into military and there IS a logical methodical way to do it.

If you can't hack psychological and physical training to make it in the military then why enlist to begin with ??

Free medical and dental benefits ?? College reimbursement ??
Free meals and lodging ?? Do these things come free ??
NO, You have to give something back in return for this. It's called honoring a commitment. We all did in here.

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[QuiltAngel]

I wish people would use a spell checker so I can read posts without having to decipher what is being said.

Good night all.

 

[rppearso]

I wish people would use a spell checker so I can read posts without having to decipher what is being said.

Good night all.

Edit, good by.

 

[ICor1311]

Anyway, how is everyone?

 

[3girls2dogs]

Anyway, how is everyone?

Doing awesome. Did you read the story of the Navy Seal given the MoH posthumously today? Very touching.

 

[Gwenyfur]

having an unusual day...
my phone bill came (as it always does this time of month) and it was in Spanish...

...


AGAIN!!!!

mind you... I speak and read 2 languages...

English...

and


Bad English

AT&T's got some 'splainin' to do!!!!!!!!!

 

[Gwenyfur]

Doing awesome. Did you read the story of the Navy Seal given the MoH posthumously today? Very touching.

I didn't see that article...
gonna go google see what I can find...

 

[3girls2dogs]

Sorry, I should have posted a link. Silly me.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_medal_of_honor_5

 

[Gwenyfur]

extremely touching...

 

[ICor1311]

very touching

 

[nikkicheerleader18]

recruiting is so annoying these recruiters followed me around the whole mall trying to get me to sign a document so they could send me to the army without even talking to my parents. my parents wont let me talk to anybody in an army uniform or open any army letters. its sad that this is what has become of our army

 

[ICor1311]

well, number 1, you're 16 y/o. You can't enlist in any branch of the Armed Forces as a 16 y/o. #2, if you were 17, you would still have to have parental consent just to take the physical, let alone enlist. So, I'm not saying that what you said is true, but unlikely. #3, whatever document you're talking about is still not a contract. Contrary to popular belief, recruiters don't walk around with contracts for people to sign and send off into the Army or any other branch.

 

[Der Alte]

well, number 1, you're 16 y/o. You can't enlist in any branch of the Armed Forces as a 16 y/o. #2, if you were 17, you would still have to have parental consent just to take the physical, let alone enlist. So, I'm not saying that what you said is true, but unlikely. #3, whatever document you're talking about is still not a contract. Contrary to popular belief, recruiters don't walk around with contracts for people to sign and send off into the Army or any other branch.

While I agree with you here, it is possible that someone with a little unscurpulous bent may have intended to intimidate a somewhat naive prospect. Once upon a time a recruiter attempted to con me by sending me mail addressed to Sgt. X altho I was only a PV2 in the NG. And the thing is I wanted to enlist, they didn't have to con me. And OBTW I started basic 1 month after my 16th birthday and some 22 years later decided I'd had enough. DFC, BSM/V, AM/V, PH.

 

[ICor1311]

While I agree with you here, it is possible that someone with a little unscurpulous bent may have intended to intimidate a somewhat naive prospect. Once upon a time a recruiter attempted to con me by sending me mail addressed to Sgt. X altho I was only a PV2 in the NG. And the thing is I wanted to enlist, they didn't have to con me. And OBTW I started basic 1 month after my 16th birthday and some 22 years later decided I'd had enough. DFC, BSM/V, AM/V, PH.

How policy has changed in such a long time. 17 is the earliest and must have parental consent. Period.

I won't defend nor approve of another recruiter's actions on this site. I'm giving this young lady the facts. It's possible that a misunderstanding could have taken place from either side.

What recruiters had done 22 years ago doesn't necessarily mean recruiters do the same now. For example, 22 years ago, a recruiter could stand outside a courtroom and make a deal with the judge. Nowadays, that's illegal.

I don't exactly see how much con-ing they had to do if you wanted to do it anyway. That's like saying you went to a car dealership to buy a truck and the salesman conned you into buying a truck.

 

[Gwenyfur]

here's one for ya

My former father in law lied about his age during WWII, went into the Army at 15...they found out a year later and booted him out...he went from there to the Navy and was in for 23 years ROFL

I think a lotta young guys did close to the same back then...

 

[ICor1311]

Absolutely. My cousin did the same during the Vietnam war. He dropped out of high school, went to the closest recruiting office, lied about his age, and just retired about 15 years ago.

It's also a possibility the young lady took the SASVAB in high school. It's also a possibility the recruiters were trying to pull her line scores. It's another possibility that the recruiters were trying to get their contact milestones up.

There's so much to assume here. But to say that a person is 16 and recruiters were trying to get her to sign papers to join the Army is absurd.

 

[Der Alte]

How policy has changed in such a long time. 17 is the earliest and must have parental consent. Period.

I think the minimum age then was 17.5, with parental consent. Little background, I have 4 brothers and 6 sisters, my father never held anything but menial jobs, and none for more than 1-2 years. I grew up picking cotton, fruit, and potatoes in the summer. When I told my father what I wanted to do, one less mouth to feed sounded good to him. Better the military than jail. He signed, we lied about the birth certificate, being burned in a house fire.

I won't defend nor approve of another recruiter's actions on this site. I'm giving this young lady the facts. It's possible that a misunderstanding could have taken place from either side.

I said I agreed. But it is not unheard of for recruiters to fudge things a little.

What recruiters had done 22 years ago doesn't necessarily mean recruiters do the same now. For example, 22 years ago, a recruiter could stand outside a courtroom and make a deal with the judge. Nowadays, that's illegal.

Try 50+ years ago. I served with some guys who had been given the option, jail or Army. For some it was like the boot camps they send some juveniles to today, it straightened them out. For others over the hill or in jail anyway.

I don't exactly see how much con-ing they had to do if you wanted to do it anyway. That's like saying you went to a car dealership to buy a truck and the salesman conned you into buying a truck.

I did say they sent me mail addressed to SGT My Name. That was when I didn't come back right away. My first 1-2 trips to the recruiting ofc. were recon. A guy comes into a car dealership thinking about buying a truck but doesn't sign the contract right away. The dealer may well send him some brochures and try to sweeten the deal. I don't try to make my experiences, in anything, the norm. I would appreciate the courtesy of the same.