Arminian Vs. Calvinist

[MamaZ]

You also believe that God created men for the express purpose of eternal torture.

I'm glad my parents didn't share your view of love.

LOL.. Love rejoices in truth scripture teaches us. We learn from the scriptures that God is ruler over all. We learn that God is a God of love, Justice, Holiness, and wrath.. He laughs He weeps. Sin is what seperates man from God. God created Adam and Even and gave them the gift of procreation. Adam and Eve sinned making all sinners who are born from them which all people are. God so loved the world that He gave His only begotton Son that all who believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. The problem with human thinking is that we believe that all men deserve to be loved. When in fact all men are as far off from Gods way of doing things that we all deserve to perish and die. But God in His ultimate Mercy sent His son. While we were yet sinners Christ died for us. I love all my children equally. But they still have the consequences of their sin.

 

[MamaZ]

Tell me then, can one of the non "elect" go to heaven according to Calvinist theology?

Who determines who is "elect" or non "elect" according to Calvinist theology?

How can a non elect enter the Kingdom of Heaven? Do you believe that men save themselves?

 

[chestertonrules]

LOL.. Love rejoices in truth scripture teaches us. We learn from the scriptures that God is ruler over all. We learn that God is a God of love, Justice, Holiness, and wrath.. He laughs He weeps. Sin is what seperates man from God. God created Adam and Even and gave them the gift of procreation. Adam and Eve sinned making all sinners who are born from them which all people are. God so loved the world that He gave His only begotton Son that all who believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. The problem with human thinking is that we believe that all men deserve to be loved. When in fact all men are as far off from Gods way of doing things that we all deserve to perish and die. But God in His ultimate Mercy sent His son. While we were yet sinners Christ died for us. I love all my children equally. But they still have the consequences of their sin.

So did you punish them differently for the same sins?

 

[simonthezealot]

You also believe that God created men for the express purpose of eternal torture.

I'm glad my parents didn't share your view of love.

Consider how evil people conspired against Jesus to bring Him to death. Was this God's plan that they do this? I think you know the answer, His ways are not our ways yet what he was about to do showed His unmeasurable love for the world..."For truly in this city there were gathered together against Thy holy servant Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28to do whatever Thy hand and Thy purpose predestined to occur," Acts 4:27-28.

 

[chestertonrules]

How can a non elect enter the Kingdom of Heaven? Do you believe that men save themselves?

Men accept or reject God's grace. Men can't save themselves.

Why don't you ever answer questions?

Tell me then, can one of the non "elect" go to heaven according to Calvinist theology?

Who determines who is "elect" or non "elect" according to Calvinist theology?

 

[chestertonrules]

Consider how evil people conspired against Jesus to bring Him to death. Was this God's plan that they do this? I think you know the answer, His ways are not our ways yet what he was about to do showed His unmeasurable love for the world..."For truly in this city there were gathered together against Thy holy servant Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28to do whatever Thy hand and Thy purpose predestined to occur," Acts 4:27-28.

I don't deny that God can use men for special purposes.

I do deny that God created billions of men for the express purpose of eternal torture.

 

[MamaZ]

So did you punish them differently for the same sins?

Depends.. When I disciplined my children it was not to punish them but to show them the way they should walk to the Glory of God. If one of my children would not have listened to either my husband or myself the consequence of thier rebellion would not have loosened but got stronger. The thing is though these were my children. I could not go to your children and be the same with them. This is why one must be born again to even enter into relationship with God the Father through Christ the savior.. God will discipline His own Children.. Not all people are His Children.

 

[Chesterton]

How can a non elect enter the Kingdom of Heaven? Do you believe that men save themselves?

MamaZ, remember that "Single Most Important Statement" thread? Weren't you the one who posted this verse? -

"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."

 

[simonthezealot]

I don't deny that God can use men for special purposes.

I do deny that God created billions of men for the express purpose of eternal torture.

Man is fallen chesterton, early on we sided with the great deceiver.

 

[MamaZ]

Men accept or reject God's grace. Men can't save themselves.

Why don't you ever answer questions?

Tell me then, can one of the non "elect" go to heaven according to Calvinist theology?

Who determines who is "elect" or non "elect" according to Calvinist theology?

A none elect cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven less He is born again and is one of the elect.
God determines who He adds to His church or body. It is His body..

 

[chestertonrules]

Depends.. When I disciplined my children it was not to punish them but to show them the way they should walk to the Glory of God. =

What does it matter if they aren't one of the elect?

 

[MamaZ]

MamaZ, remember that "Single Most Important Statement" thread? Weren't you the one who posted this verse? -

"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."

This I Do remember and it is very true.. But notice that one must hear His voice. Let those with ears hear what the Spirit says to the church..

 

[MamaZ]

What does it matter if they aren't one of the elect?

Because I am and I am to raise my children in the way they should Go..

 

[chestertonrules]

Because I am and I am to raise my children in the way they should Go..

But they are either chosen or they aren't, right?

It has nothing to do with anything you teach them.

 

[simonthezealot]

I do deny that God created billions of men for the express purpose of eternal torture.

God does NOT cause people to sin!
for example...
God did not cause the people who crucified Jesus to sin. But, He sure used their sin and He predestined all of it to occur.

 

[chestertonrules]

God does NOT cause people to sin!
for example...
God did not cause the people who crucified Jesus to sin. But, He sure used their sin and He predestined all of it to occur.

Haven't all men sinned and come short of the glory of God?

Didn't God create all men?


Why does God pick some for eternal torture, even though they are just like everyone chosen for paradise?

It that what you call just and merciful?

 

[MamaZ]

But they are either chosen or they aren't, right?

It has nothing to do with anything you teach them.

Gods word does not return void . This is why I instruct my children with the scripture. Just as Noah who took his children on the ark with him and He and His family were saved.

 

[chestertonrules]

Gods word does not return void . This is why I instruct my children with the scripture. Just as Noah who took his children on the ark with him and He and His family were saved.

Would you love God if you knew he planned for some of your children to be tortured for eternity?

 

[MamaZ]

Haven't all men sinned and come short of the glory of God?

Didn't God create all men?


Why does God pick some for eternal torture, even though they are just like everyone chosen for paradise?

It that what you call just and merciful?

Yes all men have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. God created Adam and Eve and procreation created the rest. So basically yes He did through procreation.
He doesn't pick some for eternal damnation. He picks some for eternal life. Men are not deserving of eternal life. It is a gift

 

[chestertonrules]

He doesn't pick some for eternal damnation. He picks some for eternal life. Men are not deserving of eternal life. It is a gift

There is no difference.